Pat Fenlon is the new Hibernian manager

Zebra3

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Fenlon is not in charge today though

Spot on.

1967

No Billy Brown was be interesting for me as a hibee to see what changes he makes to the playing and backroom staff especially,we have been muck this season but i do think we have better players then our league position shows,i think Pat Fenlon will do well with Hibs and surprise a few people into the bargain

BOHtox

SantryRed wrote: »

Has never succeeded without a chequebook to be fair. I do wish him the best but wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Ireland within the next 2 years.

That's one thing but it's another thing actually getting success. Managers have had no success with the money he's spent. He knows and to spend money and can get success with it. This year 5 was about expected. And we got that.. Is that not success, no?

PARKHEAD67

SantryRed wrote: »

Has never succeeded without a chequebook to be fair. I do wish him the best but wouldn't be surprised to see him back in Ireland within the next 2 years.

Sir alex needed and still needs a chequbook.As does mourhinio, etc.Dont be so patronising.For the love of Christ.Fergie has bought the league in england year after year.

citytillidie

bohsman wrote: »

Bitter Nordie is bitter.

So you have forgotten that he ruined Shelbourne and Derry and has almost certainly ruined your Bohs too.

Spending more money than the clubs have will cause that.

CSF

citytillidie wrote: »

So you have forgotten that he ruined Shelbourne and Derry and has almost certainly ruined your Bohs too.

Spending more money than the clubs have will cause that.

Pat Fenlon ruined Derry? You messing?

overshoot

im pretty sure derry had their double contracts in place before fenlon, the players didnt know, i doubt fenlon did either. he was probably on one. (and if they wernt overspending they wouldnt have needed them in the first place)
at shels, it wasnt the manager who drove their big spending and bohs were spending the developers money before it was in the bank, that was a board decision. i know of at least one who left the board because he didnt want to spend on a promise.
the manager would always take it, as would a player. he is given his budget and its down to him how well he spends it. shels & bohs got titles, fenlon & his players did their job. fenlon's only financial concern should be if a player is worth his part of the budget. its the board who sets it and decides if its sustainable

ColeTrain

I reckon it's a good gig for Fenlon. Hibs are under performing at the moment. If he steadies the ship this season and jumps up the table a little then his first season will be seen as a success. Then next season he can put his mark on the team and do better. Good appointment from Hibs.

Dub13

He is in a win win situation,9 managers in 11 years...if they sake him he will get a nice lump sum.What kind of money do you reckon he is on..?

ColeTrain

Dub13 wrote: »

He is in a win win situation,9 managers in 11 years...if they sake him he will get a nice lump sum.What kind of money do you reckon he is on..?

£1200 a week. That's a guess that I base on absolutely nothing.

citytillidie

CSF wrote: »

Pat Fenlon ruined Derry? You messing?

He came to Derry after the European run in 2006 when we had money, and left us with no money, spending stupid amounts on players like Rogers

CSF

citytillidie wrote: »

He came to Derry after the European run in 2006 when we had money, and left us with no money, spending stupid amounts on players like Rogers

So that was what ruined Derry, and not the fact that the club were routinely illegally paying players?

dartbhoy

Personally I hope Pat Fenlon does well with Hibs. He has a tough job ahead of him but I'm sure his determined to succeed and climb the ladder as regards management in bigger clubs.

stovelid

ColeTrain wrote: »

£1200 a week. That's a guess that I base on absolutely nothing.

He's on £ more_than_bohs.

Plus he'll actually get it into his account every month, no doubt.

Zebra3

citytillidie wrote: »

He came to Derry after the European run in 2006 when we had money, and left us with no money, spending stupid amounts on players like Rogers

Head in the sand.

Pat Fenlon was not your financial controller.

As much as you'd probably like to blame the demise of the old Derry City on an outsider, it was destroyed by people from Derry.

With no effort to save it by the fans.

dreamers75

Its weird people actually think Fenlon sanctioned every signing ever, he asked for the best players the the clubs provided them.

Except Derry but between dual contracts and few million from a heist going tru the turnstyles.....seriously?

Fenlon is a decent manager, he gets results. Hope it works out for him.

gustavo

citytillidie wrote: »

He came to Derry after the European run in 2006 when we had money, and left us with no money, spending stupid amounts on players like Rogers

A manager can only spend money he is allowed to by his board

bohsman

citytillidie wrote: »

So you have forgotten that he ruined Shelbourne and Derry and has almost certainly ruined your Bohs too.

Spending more money than the clubs have will cause that.

He had nothing to do with Shels demise. Even less to do with Bohs demise and I have seen no evidence linking him to the dual contract scandal that ruined Derry.

BOHtox

citytillidie wrote: »

So you have forgotten that he ruined Shelbourne and Derry and has almost certainly ruined your Bohs too.

Spending more money than the clubs have will cause that.

Fenlon did not choose the budget he just spends when he gets.

dreamers75

Floodlight fire, wtf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16013678.stm

orourkeda

I hope he does well now.

stovelid

gustavo wrote: »

citytillidie wrote: »

He came to Derry after the European run in 2006 when we had money, and left us with no money, spending stupid amounts on players like Rogers

A manager can only spend money he is allowed to by his board

While you can only spend what you get and the budget is ultimately down to the board, you can't say that some managers have not destabilized clubs by going to the press or threatening to walk over additional budget demands.

Guy:Incognito

dreamers75 wrote: »

Floodlight fire, wtf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16013678.stm

Asian betting syndicate?

Dempsey

Fair bad when a manager tries to defend the indefensible!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2012/01/26/hibs-boss-pat-fenlon-brands-trial-by-tv-an-insult-to-refs-86908-23721583/

"My straight answer to whether I am in favour of trial by television would certainly be a no," said Fenlon.

"I don't feel it is fair and the process at the moment is all one way - it has to work in favour of the players as well as against them.

"I personally think it's an insult to referees. Let them referee the games, they are not going to get everything right.

"That's the way football has always been, and in my eyes a lot of the changes they are making to football are destroying the game and I don't believe it works."

If he can't stop Leigh Griffiths giving fans the finger then he is completely out of his depth.

CSF

Dempsey wrote: »

Fair bad when a manager tries to defend the indefensible!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2012/01/26/hibs-boss-pat-fenlon-brands-trial-by-tv-an-insult-to-refs-86908-23721583/

"My straight answer to whether I am in favour of trial by television would certainly be a no," said Fenlon.

"I don't feel it is fair and the process at the moment is all one way - it has to work in favour of the players as well as against them.

"I personally think it's an insult to referees. Let them referee the games, they are not going to get everything right.

"That's the way football has always been, and in my eyes a lot of the changes they are making to football are destroying the game and I don't believe it works."

If he can't stop Leigh Griffiths giving fans the finger then he is completely out of his depth.

He has somewhat of a point there when you consider that video footage very rarely gets players off when they have done very little wrong. I wouldn't agree with everything he says there though but the general theme is sound enough.

Dempsey

CSF wrote: »

He has somewhat of a point there when you consider that video footage very rarely gets players off when they have done very little wrong. I wouldn't agree with everything he says there though but the general theme is sound enough.

All the people moaning about the current system are those who are caught in open and shut cases. They want to go back to the old system of if the referee doesnt see it then its 'ok'. Last season, they wanted things the referee didnt see to be punished. They want whatever suits them at the time of the microphone being put in their face.

Thats the 3rd time that Griffiths has gestured fans, 3rd time done for it. Fenlon should be venting his anger at his player for being so stupid.

CSF

Dempsey wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

He has somewhat of a point there when you consider that video footage very rarely gets players off when they have done very little wrong. I wouldn't agree with everything he says there though but the general theme is sound enough.

All the people moaning about the current system are those who are caught in open and shut cases. They want to go back to the old system of if the referee doesnt see it then its 'ok'. Last season, they wanted things the referee didnt see to be punished. They want whatever suits them at the time of the microphone being put in their face.

Thats the 3rd time that Griffiths has gestured fans, 3rd time done for it. Fenlon should be venting his anger at his player for being so stupid.

You are right, no question about it. But at the same time, people who are found guilty by video evidence have a legitimate complaint that in different circumstances they'd find it very difficult to have an unfair punishment rescinded on video evidence. As Fenlon says there, if we are using retrospective video evidence it needs to be a 2 way thing or not at all.

bohsman

Dempsey wrote: »

Thats the 3rd time that Griffiths has gestured fans, 3rd time done for it. Fenlon should be venting his anger at his player for being so stupid.

Can guarantee that that is happening in the background.

stovelid

Vent in background and support the player in public. especially a new manager. Hardly a complex managerial strategy.

dreamers75

Watched them recently and he is out of his depth, no chance he ever had such a **** team to manage. They are fcuking brutal.

lubo_moravcik

dreamers75 wrote: »

Watched them recently and he is out of his depth, no chance he ever had such a **** team to manage. They are fcuking brutal.

I was speaking to a 'Hibbee' yesterday and he seems quite confident. Told him I'm going over to Easter Rd to watch Celtic give them a good going over, he said with some of the players they're bringing in that the fans are getting excited and can see them really turning the corner.
I'm still wondering what drugs he was on, he did seem sure of his comments though.

The_Kew_Tour

I said this before, but if Hibs bought Messi, Xavi and Iniesta in the morning we still be ****, it's just in the blood:pac::pac:

Dempsey

bohsman wrote: »

Can guarantee that that is happening in the background.

stovelid wrote: »

Vent in background and support the player in public. especially a new manager. Hardly a complex managerial strategy.

He's already given a warning via the media

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16496190.stm

And after the 3rd time of doing the same mistake, gesturing his own fans, that approach makes no sense at this stage, imo

dreamers75

Dempsey wrote: »

He's already given a warning via the media

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16496190.stm

And after the 3rd time of doing the same mistake, gesturing his own fans, that approach makes no sense at this stage, imo

begs the question is your man any use?

The_Kew_Tour

Fantastic win today and if we can sort things out at the back we are going to stay up for sure.

6 goals away from home in last 2 games is impressive for a bottom side so fingers crossed we continue it now.

Pal

Good luck on Saturday Nutsy !