Racism

scatter

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Snowie

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I dunno I've got a white sheet over my head

Kasabian

OP you have no idea what racism is.

ejmaztec

Yes and no.

cornbb

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

No.

scatter

Kasabian wrote: »

OP you have no idea what racism is.

Why dont i ?

mickrock

I've lost my racism card.

Where do I get another one?

Chuck Stone

I have a deck of racism cards with which I play poker with my black friend.

ojola

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Sorry I don't understand your question. Could you clarify please... Also what is the purpose of your question? what are u trying to achieve.

Ellis Dee

Dunno about racism, but I reckon it's pure unadulterated ageism when no one will send me a PM explaining in simple terms that even a doddering aul' fool like me can understand how to embed a YouTube video.:rolleyes:

This is one very relevant to the theme of the thread::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

Kasabian

scatter wrote: »

Why dont i ?

I don't know. Poorly educated maybe?

Einhard

I think that, too often, people impute a racist motivation when there may not be one. The incident during the week where the black girl was raped is a good example. Nothing at all to suggest that race was a factor, and yet that's how it was reported in some outlets. Beyond such incidents, I think people are confused as to the term racism itself. The statement of the mayor of Naas during the week was appalling, but did it amount to racism? Yes, he was unfairly tarring a group of people of the same colour/ethnicity, but was he doing because he hated people of that ethnicity, or felt superior to them? I don't really think so. So yeah, I do think racism is invoked to frivolously. last night, for example, there was a piece on RTE about racism towards taxi drivers, and it focused on the deadly assault on a Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin this week. Yet the same report acknowledged that there was no suggestion that race was a factor. Why raise it then, as though it were a factor?

The real problem is that words like racism and genocide should have the power to shock and stop people in their tracks. When we use them in a flippant manner, they gradually lose that ability so that genuine acts of both become conflated with exaggerated reports, and people begin to take them less seriously.

mikom

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played

Cletus?

Logical Fallacy

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

No it does not be.

John Doe1

I played my racism card to get into my college library didnt bloody work i blame the immigrants

Oranage2

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I'd fall into 2 of the categories above and I never play the race card

ojola

Einhard wrote: »

I think that, too often, people impute a racist motivation when there may not be one. The incident during the week where the black girl was raped is a good example. Nothing at all to suggest that race was a factor, and yet that's how it was reported in some outlets. Beyond such incidents, I think people are confused as to the term racism itself. The statement of the mayor of Naas during the week was appalling, but did it amount to racism? Yes, he was unfairly tarring a group of people of the same colour/ethnicity, but was he doing because he hated people of that ethnicity, or felt superior to them? I don't really think so. So yeah, I do think racism is invoked to frivolously. last night, for example, there was a piece on RTE about racism towards taxi drivers, and it focused on the deadly assault on a Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin this week. Yet the same report acknowledged that there was no suggestion that race was a factor. Why raise it then, as though it were a factor?

The real problem is that words like racism and genocide should have the power to shock and stop people in their tracks. When we use them in a flippant manner, they gradually lose that ability so that genuine acts of both become conflated with exaggerated reports, and people begin to take them less seriously.

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

Dudess

In fairness, yeah it can be - resulting in actual racism not being taken as seriously.

ojola

Can we differentiate between racism and ethnic profilling please....

Dudess

Oranage2 wrote: »

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

I'd fall into 2 of the categories above and I never play the race card

Muslim traveller?

Kasabian

Dudess wrote: »

Muslim traveller?

We exist.

Pherekydes

Damn white Irish driver just cut me up! :mad:

ojola

Pherekydes wrote: »

Damn white Irish driver just cut me up! :mad:

how do you know he is Irish? his number plates or his looks?

The King of Moo

No OP, obviously it's not played in every situation where someone who basically isn't white and "Western" wants something, though of course it is played in a minority of cases.

It seems a strange question to ask really: how can anyone answer for every case?

ojola

ojola wrote: »

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

No answer?

Oranage2

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Dunno about racism, but I reckon it's pure unadulterated ageism when no one will send me a PM explaining in simple terms that even a doddering aul' fool like me can understand how to embed a YouTube video.:rolleyes:

This is one very relevant to the theme of the thread::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

LOL took me about 1000 posts to figure it out


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI


So paste after the = sign

CgASBVMyVFI

(youtube)CgASBVMyVFI(/youtube)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI

Paparazzo

Is this not the most obvious answer ever?

Does the racism card get played sometimes: Of course
Is it played every time? Of course not.

Einhard

ojola wrote: »

While I agree with most of your submissions above, I have a question for you. Do you know how many dubs get out of a taxi when they realise the driver is black? do you know how many times a black taxi driver get refused on a taxi rank although he is first on a queue? do you know how many times A black taxi drivers car door get slammed after he has been hailed after the discovery that he is black?

I haven't a clue. I'm sure it happens quite a lot but my point wasn't about racism against taxi drivers in general, but rather RTE insinuating that an incident was racist when that was not the case.

Also, I'm not sure that all the behaviour you mention above necessarily constitutes racism. Of course, there are neanderthals who judge people as inferior based on ethnicity or skin colour, but there are other motivations behind such despicable actions. For example, I've found myself that foreign taxi drivers often have less of a knowledge of Dublin than Irish ones. Also, many people resent the fact that, as they see it, foreigners are taking Irish jobs, and I imagine that motivates a lot of what you described above. But that is not racism. It's idiotic IMO, but not racism.

I'm not stating that racism never occurs, but that quite often we attribute racist intent to people whose motivations lie elsewhere.

ojola wrote: »

No answer?

Didn't think it'd be wise to take my laptop into the shower with me tbh.

arybvtcw0eolkf

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

In my experience, yes a lot of times it is.

I posted about this more than once... Again speaking from experience, if I stop a black African at the door of a pub or club the race card is immediately thrown at me, and quite aggressively too - its a minefield and I'm very careful of my actions and what I say.

Member's of the travelling community will play it too, I'm 50/50 on this one.

Whilst I know they can be troublesome, personally speaking (again) I've only been in one row with traveler's in a bar and it was caused by a DJ making a stupid joke about traveler's.

Another minority I'd regularly have dealings with are Roma gypsy, who I've NEVER seen play the race card - if their told to stop selling rose's or begging around a pub/club door they'll leave and won't cause trouble.

Same as you get the Roma trying to come in dressed in suits, or as a couple - they know that we know what their game is and a nod or a simple 'no' and they'll leave so as not to draw attention to themselves.

There ya go OP, is that what you want?.

Sonics2k

ojola wrote: »

how do you know he is Irish? his number plates or his looks?

He was eating spuds and drinking a Guinness! :pac:

scatter

Kasabian wrote: »

I don't know. Poorly educated maybe?

silly person

theg81der

Hard to know you can`t tell if your the victim of it if people have a pre-disposed idea based on your race unless their really obvious. I`m mixed race and I`ve experience racism through my life have never played "the card" thou just cause their idiots doesn`t mean I`m going to be.

Kasabian

scatter wrote: »

silly person

Ah you are grand, just read up a little more.

Mrmoe

Quite often it is played by people who aren't the focus of racism. Some people tend to get offended on behalf of certain groups when they themselves are not offended.

ojola

Ryan Tasteless Lumber wrote: »

In my experience, yes a lot of times it is.

I posted about this more than once... Again speaking from experience, if I stop a black African at the door of a pub or club the race card is immediately thrown at me, and quite aggressively too - its a minefield and I'm very careful of my actions and what I say.

Member's of the travelling community will play it too, I'm 50/50 on this one.

Whilst I know they can be troublesome, personally speaking (again) I've only been in one row with traveler's in a bar and it was caused by a DJ making a stupid joke about traveler's.

Another minority I'd regularly have dealings with are Roma gypsy, who I've NEVER seen play the race card - if their told to stop selling rose's or begging around a pub/club door they'll leave and won't cause trouble.

Same as you get the Roma trying to come in dressed in suits, or as a couple - they know that we know what their game is and a nod or a simple 'no' and they'll leave so as not to draw attention to themselves.

There ya go OP, is that what you want?.

I am black... i worked as a doorman in Dublin for fifteen years in many dublin spots and I must say I get accused of racism regularly for not letting people in despite the fact that majority of callers inside wherever I was working were white. Would I say that is playing the race card? No, I would just say that is the myopic view of a drunken guy that just got denied entry into a place.

arybvtcw0eolkf

ojola wrote: »

I am black... i worked as a doorman in Dublin for fifteen years in many dublin spots and I must say I get accused of racism regularly for not letting people in despite the fact that majority of callers inside wherever I was working were white. Would I say that is playing the race card? No, I would just say that is the myopic view of a drunken guy that just got denied entry inot a place.

Oh I worked with a black lad too and almost every weekend he'd be told to "fvck off back to your own country" and other bollox like that.

I've had it when I'm working on a club door and stop a Dub and the idiot immediately points out that the place is full of "fvcking Brits".

There are idiots everyone.

I've also turned out on its head once or twice by pretending I'm Polish with no english (I'm big with a shaved head).

ojola

Story time. I got off the ferry @ holyhead driving my ten year old reliable, I however got pulled over by the UK border force who tried their best not to annoy me. Driving towards a guy that flagged me down, I noticed that he was looking at a piece of paper, probably reading my car description and plate number. I pulled over they asked for ID I provided my drivers licence which was rejected as my place of birth did not say Ireland. the official assumed I had no visa however I pulled out my passport and viola the attitude changed and my passport was returned to me and you could hear her referring to me as a sir. I was quickly waved on. is that racism? I say not. That is ethnic profiling in action,

Chuck Stone

I only tend to be half racist against mixed race folk.

If a person has one grandparent of a different race to the master race I let them off.

ojola

I will attempt to differentiate between racism and ethnic profiling.

I hate XYZ people = racism

XYZ people behave like this = ethnic profiling.

I would rather not serve these people for whatever reason = ethnic profiling therefore, Scully is guilty of ethnic profiling.

ojola

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I only tend to be half racist against mixed race folk.

If a person has one grandparent of a different race to the master race I let them off.

Political safety & health & correctness gone mad again?

Chuck Stone

ojola wrote: »

Political safety & health & correctness gone mad again?

Lol yeah.

Pherekydes

ojola wrote: »

Pherekydes wrote: »

Damn white Irish driver just cut me up! :mad:

how do you know he is Irish? his number plates or his looks?

Her driving skills. :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

ojola wrote: »

Story time. I got off the ferry @ holyhead driving my ten year old reliable, I however got pulled over by the UK border force who tried their best not to annoy me. Driving towards a guy that flagged me down, I noticed that he was looking at a piece of paper, probably reading my car description and plate number. I pulled over they asked for ID I provided my drivers licence which was rejected as my place of birth did not say Ireland. the official assumed I had no visa however I pulled out my passport and viola the attitude changed and my passport was returned to me and you could hear her referring to me as a sir. I was quickly waved on. is that racism? I say not. That is ethnic profiling in action,

During the early to mid eighties I used to travel (by ferry) betweem Ireland and Liverpool & Holyhead every few months.

I almost lost count the number of times I was questioned under the Prevention of Terrorism Act (UK).

I think we're all guilty of profiling, racism on the other hand sicken's me.

In my time in the army I've served oversea's with Ghanian's, Fijian's, Nepolese, Swed's, Japanese and Indian's to name but a few.. I've also had dealings with Israeli Jew's, Palestinians and Lebanese. Kosovan's & Serbs etc and never once did I think one was any less a human than I or was any less equal.

But thats going right off the subject.

I think its sad when the race card is immediately played, all reasoning with a person goes right out the window.. I hate it.

scatter

Kasabian wrote: »

Ah you are grand, just read up a little more.

I will get a book that has pictures,coloured ones at that ! After all it couldnt be black and white.

44leto

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

LOL
"might not get whatever it thinks it should get"

It does happen, but sometimes there is a case of genuine racism.

gbee

Well, I suppose your question is spawned from last week's incident of that Mayor who stepped down.

It was fiercely interesting to listen to all the follow on talk shows where many other nationalities called in in support of the Mayor's views.

The conclusion I have is that there is one section amongst all the various races and cultures both here and in the UK who are considered racist by almost everyone else.

not yet

ojola wrote: »

No answer?

Would it have anything to do with most black taxi driver's ask you for directions? or that most taxi's I've been in that are driven by black guys they always have a sat nav....

Or possibly the FACT that some black taxi driver's do not have to undergo the extensive back round checks indigenous taxi driver's do, This was pointed out some years ago by the rep from the taxi federation i.e how can a proper check be done on a African applicant. Now if you have an issue with this post that's fine,if you think it has any kind of racist slant that's also fine. I am giving my opinion and giving facts from my own experiences.

Mike 1972

Its pretty rarely that Ive encountered people "playing the race card" however in my experience those who do tend to be the most racist people I have the misfortune of knowing.

e.g. a Pakistani guy who hates Jews/Indians/Africans yet attributes any misfortune which befalls him (regardless of whether or not it is his own fault- which it usually is) to somebody being "racist".

ojola wrote: »

I hate XYZ people = racism

XYZ people behave like this = ethnic profiling stupid generalizations

FYP !

ojola

not yet wrote: »

Would it have anything to do with most black taxi driver's ask you for directions? or that most taxi's I've been in that are driven by black guys they always have a sat nav....

Or possibly the FACT that some black taxi driver's do not have to undergo the extensive back round checks indigenous taxi driver's do, This was pointed out some years ago by the rep from the taxi federation i.e how can a proper check be done on a African applicant. Now if you have an issue with this post that's fine,if you think it has any kind of racist slant that's also fine. I am giving my opinion and giving facts from my own experiences.

Please do not prempt my perception of your post. It is almost as bad as assumimng what a person would say before they say it.

Also I will have you note that the background checks are not any different irrespective of where prospective taxi drivers come from. Also do you know how many new estates sprang up during the celtic tiger boom days? What is wrong with a guy having a backup plan peradventure he needs it. Also Sat Navs have more than 1 use, they can also be bluetooth units used for mobile communications.

Your reasoning above are those raised by xenophobes in the taxi industry who would rather keep irish jobs for the Indigenous Irish.

skyhighflyer

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Hi Darren

ojola

Another story. I was working one night; I had the pleasure of a taxi driver friend of mine waiting for a fare at the hotel taht I worked in. He kept complaining about the number of taxi drivers on the road and how the business had been destroyed by foreigners. I listened for so long and after a while I decided to shut him up: how did I do it? I asked him a few questions.

1. How long does it take to train to become a taxi driver? Not very long ( a few days actually)

2. How long does it take to train to be a security guard? Not very long either.

3. How long does it take to be a brain surgeon or a doctor or an astronaught? Very very long.

4. which jobs are safer? of course we all know his answer.

My point being in a recession,people that lose their jobs would descend on the low level jobs. Jobs that need just little training.

I told him to do what people do when their earnings are not enough, get a 2nd job or change careers. that is what majority of people do in society. Why not the taxi industry.