Racism

Mike 1972

ojola wrote: »

How long does it take to train to become a taxi driver? Not very long ( a few days actually)

Assuming of course one can drive in the first place

Agree though the number of (particularly older) taxi drivers with an inflated sense of entitlement thinking the world owes them a living is laughable.

Oranage2

I think people are missing the real elephant in the room that Irish people by enlarge are racist -

Dudess

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think people are missing the real elephant in the room that Irish people by enlarge are racist -

I don't know whether that's true. It sometimes seems to me just something Irish people like to say in a self flagellating way.

Chuck Stone

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think people are missing the real elephant in the room that Irish people by enlarge are discriminatory

Sorry for the FYP.

Oranage2

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Sorry for the FYP.

If you FYP - white people then you'd have been on the money.

Chuck Stone

Oranage2 wrote: »

If you FYP - white people then you'd have been on the money.

Not sure I understand.

Do you mean that white people are more discriminatory than non-whites?

Is that not a prejudiced view to hold itself!

Oranage2

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Not sure I understand.

Do you mean that white people are more discriminatory than non-whites?

Is that not a prejudiced view to hold itself!

Well this must be a big room because there's many elephants in it but yes that's exactly what I'm saying - by enlarge only white people can be racist.

parrai

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well this must be a big room because there's many elephants in it but yes that's exactly what I'm saying - by enlarge only white people can be racist.

That is shyte... a bigot can be any colour. You are playing right into the hands of the people the OP is talking about, cause they are there too.

Chuck Stone

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well this must be a big room because there's many elephants in it but yes that's exactly what I'm saying - by enlarge only white people can be racist.

I don't know if there have been any studies done on it but I can't imagine that non-whites would be any less prejudiced than whites.

White folk might have more opportunity to express their prejudices i.e. discriminate because 'we' have more power and control of resources.

BTW - is that elephant in the room an African or Asian one? I find Asian Elephants are severely underrepresented in the media.

Oranage2

Chuck Stone wrote: »

BTW - is that elephant in the room an African or Asian one? I find Asian Elephants are severely underrepresented in the media.

It doesnt matter to me as I'm not a racist - I'll take the elephant at face value without the racial profiling that your so hell bent on doing.

gbee

Oranage2 wrote: »

It doesnt matter to me as I'm not a racist - I'll take the elephant at face value without the racial profiling that your so hell bent on doing.

One does not need much help tbh ~ stereotypical reinforcements are aired every day.

Oranage2

gbee wrote: »

One does not need much help tbh ~ stereotypical reinforcements are aired every day.

I suppose but it shouldnt be the way gbee - we should be allowed live in a world without prejudice - Sometimes a tear drips down my face when I think of children growing nowadays so innocent but yet so subjected to intolerance.

Pherekydes

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Sorry for the FYP.

If you're going to fix his post then fix it, for God's sake.

Chuck Stone

Pherekydes wrote: »

If you're going to fix his post then fix it, for God's sake.

Please explain.

theg81der

Can you be racist towards taxi drivers? I am since they got my car clamped!

not yet

ojola wrote: »

Another story. I was working one night; I had the pleasure of a taxi driver friend of mine waiting for a fare at the hotel taht I worked in. He kept complaining about the number of taxi drivers on the road and how the business had been destroyed by foreigners. I listened for so long and after a while I decided to shut him up: how did I do it? I asked him a few questions.

1. How long does it take to train to become a taxi driver? Not very long ( a few days actually)

2. How long does it take to train to be a security guard? Not very long either.

3. How long does it take to be a brain surgeon or a doctor or an astronaught? Very very long.

4. which jobs are safer? of course we all know his answer.

My point being in a recession,people that lose their jobs would descend on the low level jobs. Jobs that need just little training.

I told him to do what people do when their earnings are not enough, get a 2nd job or change careers. that is what majority of people do in society. Why not the taxi industry.

Well I can tell you your talking out your asre.........

A relative of mine works in the dept that does these checks and he has told me on numerous occasions that it is near on impossible to get full details of the individual if they come from certain parts of Nigeria.

kerash

not yet wrote: »

Would it have anything to do with most black taxi driver's ask you for directions? or that most taxi's I've been in that are driven by black guys they always have a sat nav....

Or possibly the FACT that some black taxi driver's do not have to undergo the extensive back round checks indigenous taxi driver's do, This was pointed out some years ago by the rep from the taxi federation i.e how can a proper check be done on a African applicant. Now if you have an issue with this post that's fine,if you think it has any kind of racist slant that's also fine. I am giving my opinion and giving facts from my own experiences.

Not a racist slant - more a stupidity slant, why do you keep getting into taxi's that you seem to have such a problem with!?
Have you any issues with White Africans btw?

Chuck Stone

not yet wrote: »

Well I can tell you your talking out your asre.........

A relative of mine works in the dept that does these checks and he has told me on numerous occasions that it is near on impossible to get full details of the individual if they come from certain parts of Nigeria.

Could that not be because Nigeria has a less developed state bureaucracy rather than any sinister reason?

theg81der

kerash wrote: »

Have you any issues with White Africans btw?

Funny you ask about white african because I`ve never met one of them who wasn`t racist - I`m mixed race and they represent a large amount of the racism I`ve encountered.

Pherekydes

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Please explain.

Here. Don't say I never do anything for yez:

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think people are missing the real elephant in the room that Irish people, by enlarge and large, are like people everywhere else.

Chuck Stone

Pherekydes wrote: »

Here. Don't say I never do anything for yez:

Ah... that would be a grammatical fix. I avoid correcting grammar seeing as I have imperfect grammar myself.

Oranage2

Pherekydes wrote: »

Here. Don't say I never do anything for yez:

Well you'd be wrong -different culture can be very different -

chasm

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

Would it not be the discrimination card as opposed to the racism card for most of those in your post?

Chuck Stone

chasm wrote: »

Would it not be the discrimination card as opposed to the racism card for most of those in your post?

You're on the ball. There's a lot of misunderstanding around these words and terms and they do take some mulling over to get your head wrapped around them.

Prejudice exists only in thought.

Discrimination is an external representation of prejudice expressed through behaviour.

not yet

kerash wrote: »

Not a racist slant - more a stupidity slant, why do you keep getting into taxi's that you seem to have such a problem with!?
Have you any issues with White Africans btw?

Stop asking stupid fcuking questions........

I'm giving opinions based on my experiences simple as. but then again If your opinions don't fit in with people who don't want any kind of open debate then your a racist, ah it fits a easily.

not yet

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Could that not be because Nigeria has a less developed state bureaucracy rather than any sinister reason?

Regardless of the reason it still stands that the information is very difficult to get..which was my original point.

I never intimated that the reason was sinister, but then again don't let fact stand in the way of your opinions.

Pherekydes

Oranage2 wrote: »

Pherekydes wrote: »

Here. Don't say I never do anything for yez:

Well you'd be wrong -different culture can be very different -

"People are all the same, except when they are different. "

kerash

not yet wrote: »

Stop asking stupid fcuking questions........

I'm giving opinions based on my experiences simple as. but then again If your opinions don't fit in with people who don't want any kind of open debate then your a racist, ah it fits a easily.

I didn't call you a racist I asked a question in line with an open debate. If you can't answer with a bit of manners I'll not engage with you any further.

ojola

not yet wrote: »

Well I can tell you your talking out your asre.........

A relative of mine works in the dept that does these checks and he has told me on numerous occasions that it is near on impossible to get full details of the individual if they come from certain parts of Nigeria.

You are quite rude. what manner of communication is this? This is unacceptable. Also can you (if you can manage it) tell me what your posting has to do with what you have quoted above?

Furthermore. I guess by you rudeness what circles you frequent, your so called relative could be a xenophobe or an agent of the Taxi drivers union so averse to Foreigners getting into the trade.

Read my post one more time and fault any logic there in.

ojola

not yet wrote: »

Stop asking stupid fcuking questions........

I'm giving opinions based on my experiences simple as. but then again If your opinions don't fit in with people who don't want any kind of open debate then your a racist, ah it fits a easily.

born rude I will say. Did you not say it was based on hearsay? in your own words "A relative of mine works in the dept that does these checks and he has told me on numerous occasions that it is near on impossible to get full details of the individual if they come from certain parts of Nigeria" pure hearsay. Stop contradicting yourself mate.

ojola

kerash wrote: »

I didn't call you a racist I asked a question in line with an open debate. If you can't answer with a bit of manners I'll not engage with you any further.

Hi Kerash. when we step out into open waters of debate on a fublic forum like this. we are bound to meet people that are the epitome of a civilized way of communicating and others who are trying to be while also we would encounter peole lacking the ability to think logically and properly without the verbal skills to argue their point without resorting to abuse or verbal violence. All we can do is not take it to mean anything. Everytime they do as our friend has done above, we take it as a victory. Let him show himself for who he is.

If we stop engaing people like this. Others will read their ugly posts and without anybody to point out the falacies of thought others might tend to start believing their trash as gospel truth. Please do not stop engaging.

To Not Yet ...... Man has advanced so far from the caves of history because we dare ask questions. For a man that claims to be 43 and a brain surgeon you surprise me....

ojola

parrai wrote: »

a bigot can be any colour.

Totall correct matey.

not yet

ojola wrote: »

You are quite rude. what manner of communication is this? This is unacceptable. Also can you (if you can manage it) tell me what your posting has to do with what you have quoted above?

Furthermore. I guess by you rudeness what circles you frequent, your so called relative could be a xenophobe or an agent of the Taxi drivers union so averse to Foreigners getting into the trade.

Read my post one more time and fault any logic there in.

Well you can guess away, I have no connections as such with any taxi union or the like.....but you just carry on making it up as you go along.

And just on a point of clarity, The agents of the state do these back round checks, so your calling these agencies xenophobic, feel free to clarify.

Sky King

If saying I'm not a racist but.... at the start of a sentence automatically makes you a racist, then surely saying I AM a racist but... makes you not one.

not yet

ojola wrote: »

Hi Kerash. when we step out into open waters of debate on a fublic forum like this. we are bound to meet people that are the epitome of a civilized way of communicating and others who are trying to be while also we would encounter peole lacking the ability to think logically and properly without the verbal skills to argue their point without resorting to abuse or verbal violence. All we can do is not take it to mean anything. Everytime they do as our friend has done above, we take it as a victory. Let him show himself for who he is.

If we stop engaing people like this. Others will read their ugly posts and without anybody to point out the falacies of thought others might tend to start believing their trash as gospel truth. Please do not stop engaging.

To Not Yet ...... Man has advanced so far from the caves of history because we dare ask questions. For a man that claims to be 43 and a brain surgeon you surprise me....

Just to be a little pedantic................First of all if you '' CHECKED'' my join date and add that to my age at the time, you would know my age, secondly, If you used after hours for any period of time you would get the irony/sarcasm in my description of my job.

So there ya go, you need to get onto a serious debate platform if you don't want to be offended

Einhard

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think people are missing the real elephant in the room that Irish people by enlarge are racist -

We are? I'm sure you have plenty of statistical evidence to back this claim up...

Oranage2 wrote: »

Well this must be a big room because there's many elephants in it but yes that's exactly what I'm saying - by enlarge only white people can be racist.

Only white people can be racist? What an ignorant statement to make.

K-9

Einhard wrote: »

Only white people can be racist? What an ignorant statement to make.

That one comes up often and I don't know why!

not yet

OJ,

Could I ask what are your opinions on Nigerian asylum seekers arriving in Ireland over the past 10 years, when it is clearly stated that all AS should seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.....

This country could not have been Ireland, as there are no direct flights into Ireland from Nigeria, I'd also like to to ask your opinion on why If someone leaves a country because their life is under threat etc, do they then go back to that country on holiday or to complete some business. These are legitimate questions so please don't throw the race card into this particular question.

ricero

racism is alive and kicking in dublin city and its getting worser each year. the amount of racism ive witnessed over the past 2 nights is madness. my mates refuse to get a taxi home if the driver is black. also on friday night i saw 14 black teenagers smashing up cars and attacking people, then about 4 garda came and smashed the teens around with bats. i also heard one of the garda saying the word black bastard.

suicide_circus

not yet wrote: »

OJ,

Could I ask what are your opinions on Nigerian asylum seekers arriving in Ireland over the past 10 years, when it is clearly stated that all AS should seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.....

This country could not have been Ireland, as there are no direct flights into Ireland from Nigeria, I'd also like to to ask your opinion on why If someone leaves a country because their life is under threat etc, do they then go back to that country on holiday or to complete some business. These are legitimate questions so please don't throw the race card into this particular question.

You wont get an answer to these questions because the truth does not make comfortable bedfellows with the liberal PC agenda. These are economic migrants, pure and simple. I must stress that there is nothing wrong with being an economic migrant but there IS something wrong with abusing the asylum process for economic purposes.
Many Nigerians here are now Irish citizens and as such can safely fly back to Nigeria for business or holidays without visa or imigration hassle. I work in the airport and deal with them on a daily basis.

Dudess

Sky King wrote: »

If saying I'm not a racist but.... at the start of a sentence automatically makes you a racist, then surely saying I AM a racist but... makes you not one.

Yeah, it's boring when people pounce on that one every time. Most of the time, the person who says it actually isn't a racist.

K-9

not yet wrote: »

OJ,

Could I ask what are your opinions on Nigerian asylum seekers arriving in Ireland over the past 10 years, when it is clearly stated that all AS should seek refugee status in the first safe country they arrive in.....

This country could not have been Ireland, as there are no direct flights into Ireland from Nigeria

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59465073&postcount=3

Einhard

ricero wrote: »

i also heard one of the garda saying the word black bastard.

Calling someone a "black bastard" isn't necessarily racist. Lots of Irish people will throw in an adjective before an expletive, and quite often it will be a reference to an obvious feature of the person at whom they are having a go. Calling someone a ginger pr*ck generally doesn't imply any hatred of redheads, and in my experience replacing the ginger with black or a reference to nationality doesn't always imply racist intent.

Dartz

I'm not a racist but....


I can't help but notice there was never a racism problem in this country until all them foreigners started coming here.

ojola

Dartz wrote: »

I'm not a racist but....


I can't help but notice there was never a racism problem in this country until all them foreigners started coming here.

wow wow wow... well said pardner... I subscribe to just saying it the way I feel it. It is not saying it that is the problem. It is feeling and thinking it that is the problem.

ojola

scatter wrote: »

Does the racism card be played when ,what ever culture or nationality (travellers,non nationals,non whites,muslim,non catholic,etc)might not get whatever it thinks it should get ?

QUESTION: why are we focusing on assylum seeking and Nigeria when the thread was stared to focus on the topic quoted above.
QUESTION: What has Not Yet got against Nigerians, assylum seekers and Foreigners?

not yet

ojola wrote: »

wow wow wow... well said pardner... I subscribe to just saying it the way I feel it. It is not saying it that is the problem. It is feeling and thinking it that is the problem.

That's nice to know....

How about saying it as it is and responding to post 91.

not yet

ojola wrote: »

QUESTION: why are we focusing on assylum seeking and Nigeria when the thread was stared to focus on the topic quoted above.
QUESTION: What has Not Yet got against Nigerians, assylum seekers and Foreigners?

Simple really....

The large influx of mainly Nigerian asylum seekers have contributed to the rise of racism in Ireland. so if we are debating this subject I would assume all areas that have an impact on it should be debated.

not yet

ojola wrote: »

QUESTION: why are we focusing on assylum seeking and Nigeria when the thread was stared to focus on the topic quoted above.
QUESTION: What has Not Yet got against Nigerians, assylum seekers and Foreigners?

Oh I see...because I ask questions on how someone can arrive in Ireland when it clearly states asylum should be sought in the first country reached I have a problem...classic smoke and mirrors.

not yet

suicide_circus wrote: »

You wont get an answer to these questions because the truth does not make comfortable bedfellows with the liberal PC agenda. These are economic migrants, pure and simple. I must stress that there is nothing wrong with being an economic migrant but there IS something wrong with abusing the asylum process for economic purposes.
Many Nigerians here are now Irish citizens and as such can safely fly back to Nigeria for business or holidays without visa or imigration hassle. I work in the airport and deal with them on a daily basis.

That's the simple question I'm asking....Is Nigeria now safe for returning asylum seekers? Or does it simply mean They were not asylum seekers in the first place.