Racism

Petre

Liberal ideology is rampant in this country; the minority is always the vicim no matter the circumstance. Women are included in the minority category, which is bizarre seeing as they make up a majority of the population.

If you are in a country whose culture is non-Zionist controlled like China for example, if a foreigner is in a dispute with a Chinese person, all other locals will side with the Chinese person. But in Ireland, and I've seen it happen, a foreigner is more likely to be sided with over a local. And we all know what happens if a woman is perceived to be being in any way negatively affected by a man's actions; the women will be sided with unquestionably. In other cultures where men are thought to posses the better judgement, the man will be assumed righteous.

Logical Fallacy

Petre wrote: »

Liberal ideology is rampant in this country; the minority is always the vicim no matter the circumstance. Women are included in the minority category, which is bizarre seeing as they make up a majority of the population.

If you are in a country whose culture is non-Zionist controlled like China for example, if a foreigner is in a dispute with a Chinese person, all other locals will side with the Chinese person. But in Ireland, and I've seen it happen, a foreigner is more likely to be sided with over a local. And we all know what happens if a woman is perceived to be being in any way negatively affected by a man's actions; the women will be sided with unquestionably. In other cultures where men are thought to posses the better judgement, the man will be assumed righteous.

****ing Zionists.

Ruining it for everyone.

IrishAm

The LUAS driver,Oriyomi Emmanuel, pulled the race card during the week.


He broke down while looking at the CCTV evidence, the herald reports:

"The accused told interviewing gardai he had given up a marriage to get the job and also quit smoking and drinking. He added that it was very difficult for a black man to get such a job."

He was let off.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0424/luas-driver-denies-dangerous-driving.html


The only race problem there, was due to the fact he was in a race to get across the road. Veolia, who are in charge of the operation, are far from a racist company. From travelling on the LUAS, their staff are very diverse.

Part of a worldwide transport group we employ over 280 people in Ireland and transported 27.4 million passengers safely on Luas last year. Worldwide we operate in 28 countries, employ over 119,000 people and transport over 3.3 billion passengers annually.


Doesnt sound like a racist company to me.

TehDagsBass

Why wouldn't you play the race card when you're in a country that is absolutely terrified of being called racists, so much so that they'll do anything in their power to avoid it, pretty much regardless of the cost?

Gyalist

IrishAm wrote: »

The LUAS driver,Oriyomi Emmanuel, pulled the race card during the week.


He broke down while looking at the CCTV evidence, the herald reports:

"The accused told interviewing gardai he had given up a marriage to get the job and also quit smoking and drinking. He added that it was very difficult for a black man to get such a job."

He was let off.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0424/luas-driver-denies-dangerous-driving.html


The only race problem there, was due to the fact he was in a race to get across the road. Veolia, who are in charge of the operation, are far from a racist company. From travelling on the LUAS, their staff are very diverse.

Part of a worldwide transport group we employ over 280 people in Ireland and transported 27.4 million passengers safely on Luas last year. Worldwide we operate in 28 countries, employ over 119,000 people and transport over 3.3 billion passengers annually.


Doesnt sound like a racist company to me.

You are blatantly twisting the facts of the case as established by the evidence presented to the court.

A LUAS driver who crashed into a bus injuring 21 people has been acquitted of dangerous conduct by direction of the trial judge.

Oriyomi Emmanuel was told he was free to go after the judge ruled there were gaps in the evidence and that it would be unsafe to allow the jury to decide on the case.

Mr Emmanuel (39), Jamestown Park, Ratoath, Co Meath, had pleaded not guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to the unsafe operation of a tram at the junction of Middle Abbey Street and O’Connell Street, Dublin, on September 16th, 2009.

Judge Mary Ellen Ring said there was a discrepancy between the evidence presented by the Garda crash investigator and the Luas investigator concerning the distance the tram was from the signal when it stopped at the junction.

This was “central to the case” because evidence had been presented that there was a shadow cast on the signal which grew worse as the tram got closer to it.

LINK

Since you are so sure that he was in a race to get across the road you should have presented the evidence that you no doubt possess to the Gardai and to Veolia.

IrishAm

Gyalist wrote: »

You are blatantly twisting the facts of the case as established by the evidence presented to the court.

Did he or did he not play the race card in the court room?

IrishAm

IrishAm wrote: »

Did he or did he not play the race card in the court room?

I heard Rodney King played the race card as well.

IrishAm

Deleted User wrote: »

I heard Rodney King played the race card as well.

Who is Rodney King?

Gyalist

IrishAm wrote: »

Did he or did he not play the race card in the court room?

From your own quote it says that he made the comment in a statement to the gardai. He was acquitted because of the conflicting evidence and not due to the statement that he made to the gardai.

couch_dweller

Petre wrote: »

Liberal ideology is rampant in this country; the minority is always the vicim no matter the circumstance. Women are included in the minority category, which is bizarre seeing as they make up a majority of the population.

If you are in a country whose culture is non-Zionist controlled like China for example, if a foreigner is in a dispute with a Chinese person, all other locals will side with the Chinese person. But in Ireland, and I've seen it happen, a foreigner is more likely to be sided with over a local. And we all know what happens if a woman is perceived to be being in any way negatively affected by a man's actions; the women will be sided with unquestionably. In other cultures where men are thought to posses the better judgement, the man will be assumed righteous.

if irelands culture - media is zionist controlled , why were we recently singled out by bin laden as ripe for conversion to islam

wicklowstevo

this country is after getting far to politicaly correct , Yes there are some fine hard working non irish people living in ireland now and good bless them they are very welcome. but there are also a large group of people here because they see (rightly ) ireland as a soft touch, at the slightest hint of anyone pulling them up on it there scream RACIST, anything the gardai or hse or any one else doenst give them prefencial treatment its the same thing, Not withstanding theres many many Irish people who are just as bad,
as for rodney king didnt he run over a cop then take a chase ? mabey he deserved to get his ass whomped.
Basicly we have let american morals override out own sets of standerds .

lividduck

IrishAm wrote: »

Did he or did he not play the race card in the court room?

No he didn't, nor as you have stated did he "get off", in fact he was acquitted of any wrongdoing!

Nodin

wicklowstevo wrote: »

...............
as for rodney king didnt he run over a cop ..............

Nope. No points for you.

IrishAm

lividduck wrote: »

No he didn't

What would you call this, if not playing the race card?

wrote:

"The accused told interviewing gardai he had given up a marriage to get the job and also quit smoking and drinking. He added that it was very difficult for a black man to get such a job"

Heres the aftermath of the crash, 26 people injured.

Anyway, the thread isnt about the crash. Its about certain groups using the race card.

So heres some examples;

wrote:

A MOB went on a wave of random race violence on Temple Bar, which left five Dubliners with horrific injuries.

"We believe that what happened on the night was motivated by racism -- that is racism against white people.

"When the suspects were first questioned they tried to use racism as a defence -- they tried to say that they had been racially abused by the victims for being black.

"But absolutely no evidence of that was ever uncovered and gardai are satisfied that the culprits were not racially abused."

http://www.herald.ie/news/race-hate-gang-in-temple-bar-orgy-of-violence-2815510.html

wrote:

A DRIVER called gardai "racists" and accused them of harassing him because he was frustrated they stopped him with his children in his car, a court heard.

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/dad-branded-gardai-racist-after-his-car-was-stopped-3087355.html

But, no lets claim its non existent.

Nodin

IrishAm wrote: »

What would you call this, if not playing the race card?



Heres the aftermath of the crash, 26 people injured.

Anyway, the thread isnt about the crash. Its about certain groups using the race card.

.

.....if it's not about the crash, why did you put in a video?

old hippy

wicklowstevo wrote: »

this country is after getting far to politicaly correct , Yes there are some fine hard working non irish people living in ireland now and good bless them they are very welcome. but there are also a large group of people here because they see (rightly ) ireland as a soft touch, at the slightest hint of anyone pulling them up on it there scream RACIST, anything the gardai or hse or any one else doenst give them prefencial treatment its the same thing, Not withstanding theres many many Irish people who are just as bad,
as for rodney king didnt he run over a cop then take a chase ? mabey he deserved to get his ass whomped.
Basicly we have let american morals override out own sets of standerds .

American morals as in beating the crap out of King?

yorbloke

Einhard wrote: »

I think that, too often, people impute a racist motivation when there may not be one. The incident during the week where the black girl was raped is a good example. Nothing at all to suggest that race was a factor, and yet that's how it was reported in some outlets. Beyond such incidents, I think people are confused as to the term racism itself. The statement of the mayor of Naas during the week was appalling, but did it amount to racism? Yes, he was unfairly tarring a group of people of the same colour/ethnicity, but was he doing because he hated people of that ethnicity, or felt superior to them? I don't really think so. So yeah, I do think racism is invoked to frivolously. last night, for example, there was a piece on RTE about racism towards taxi drivers, and it focused on the deadly assault on a Nigerian taxi driver in Dublin this week. Yet the same report acknowledged that there was no suggestion that race was a factor. Why raise it then, as though it were a factor?

The real problem is that words like racism and genocide should have the power to shock and stop people in their tracks. When we use them in a flippant manner, they gradually lose that ability so that genuine acts of both become conflated with exaggerated reports, and people begin to take them less seriously.

well said einhard. i've just been called a racist on a previous thread.. people who brandish the word around are just lazy and flippant. it was from a moderator and his cronies.well said again.

Nodin

yorbloke wrote: »

well said einhard. i've just been called a racist on a previous thread.. people who brandish the word around are just lazy and flippant. it was from a moderator and his cronies.well said again.

Aye - What twisted mind could wring racism or xenophobia from this

you live in a cocoon. you ring most customer services now and they are made up of incompetent foreigners drooling over their cabbage soup and tacos looking blankly at their pc's.. they havnt a clue and you are there at the end of the line running out of credit and trying to get some customer service.
you sound like a right do gooder to me.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78831615&postcount=14

Dudess

That customer service thread is hilarious! The person is completely in the wrong and throws out all the chestnuts: do-gooder, "you must work for Electric Ireland", "people who aren't foreign are better at customer service", "I'll change company" (another company won't be ANY different when it comes to a customer error) etc. A good laugh I must say - keep 'em coming! :pac:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

yorbloke wrote: »

well said einhard. i've just been called a racist on a previous thread.. people who brandish the word around are just lazy and flippant. it was from a moderator and his cronies.well said again.

Holy Cow!!

I think einhard made a decent point but yorbloke is using it out of context. Please look at yorblokes posting history to see the extremely racist comments made by him. Sometimes a racist comment or attitude is just that - Racist.:mad:

Dudess

Not sure I'd call it racism. Stupidity, ignorance and virtually zero thought, yes.

RaRaRasputin

Ireland is definitely heading towards this over political-correctness/EU-style pc complex. When I talk to some friends or colleagues I often have to bite my tongue trying not to say directly what I think about issues such as immigration, political correctness, human rights etc.

I am a foreigner in Ireland myself but I never felt marginalised or racially abused in any form. I get the usual slagging off when mispronouncing words or using odd phrasings, but who cares about that: I do the same for people with odd accents as a joke. These things are meant to be funny, someone might go too far (and that would usually be me) but they aren't supposed to hurt the other person you are laughing with.

So, if you move to a foreign country learn the language, accept the culture, respect the people and their laws and don't expect them to take you by the hand and guide you around everything. No one will like you if you pull the racist card every time someone looks at you in a weird way.

RichieC

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

Ireland is definitely heading towards this over political-correctness/EU-style pc complex. When I talk to some friends or colleagues I often have to bite my tongue trying not to say directly what I think about issues such as immigration, political correctness, human rights etc.

I am a foreigner in Ireland myself but I never felt marginalised or racially abused in any form. I get the usual slagging off when mispronouncing words or using odd phrasings, but who cares about that: I do the same for people with odd accents as a joke. These things are meant to be funny, someone might go too far (and that would usually be me) but they aren't supposed to hurt the other person you are laughing with.

So, if you move to a foreign country learn the language, accept the culture, respect the people and their laws and don't expect them to take you by the hand and guide you around everything. No one will like you if you pull the racist card every time someone looks at you in a weird way.

Yea well slagging off people with psychological illnesses isn't acceptable in Ireland Mr fake foreigner.

Dudess

slagging off people with psychological illnesses isn't acceptable in Ireland Mr fake foreigner.

Never mind those doctors, psychiatrists, therapists, hospital admissions, suicides... that poster "feels" (with no evidence) that anorexia is just a first world problem solved by a bit of cop-on, therefore those who research and treat it for years are wrong. Wrong! And on that basis it's also ok to bully them and make them worse. Shur isn't it great? It's a triumph against the peecee brigade, and isn't that all that matters? Feck basic decency.

IrishAm

Dudess wrote: »

Never mind those doctors, psychiatrists, therapists, hospital admissions, suicides... that poster "feels" (with no evidence) that anorexia is just a first world problem solved by a bit of cop-on, therefore those who research and treat it for years are wrong. Wrong! And on that basis it's also ok to bully them and make them worse. Shur isn't it great? It's a triumph against the peecee brigade, and isn't that all that matters? Feck basic decency.

Where are you getting this from? He didn't mention any of the above in his post?

KamiKazeKitten

IrishAm wrote: »

Where are you getting this from? He didn't mention any of the above in his post?

It's from the Unpopular Opinions thread methinks. :P

RaRaRasputin

RichieC wrote: »

Yea well slagging off people with psychological illnesses isn't acceptable in Ireland Mr fake foreigner.

Fake compassion for everyone and everything isn't either. Better say it to someone's face than behind their back, which seems to be the preferred way for so many people.

I will take the "fake foreigner" as a compliment for my use of the english language and punctuation which is missing from many posts here.

Nodin

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

Ireland is definitely heading towards this over political-correctness/EU-style pc complex. When I talk to some friends or colleagues I often have to bite my tongue trying not to say directly what I think about issues such as immigration, political correctness, human rights etc.

..............

You've a problem with human rights?

RaRaRasputin

yes, i hate human rights, they are unnecessary and we should all be killed.

"issues such as immigration, political correctness, human rights etc." quite obviously implies a list of abstract ideas that are being debated at the moment. I never said that I have anything against any of these, but I reserve the right to comment on these. Taking the example of human rights for instance I think that everyone who enters a country is obliged to respect the country's laws. If you seriously trespass, you forfeited your right to be in the country and shouldn't whinge if they send you home.

RichieC

RaRaRasputin wrote: »

yes, i hate human rights, they are unnecessary and we should all be killed.

"issues such as immigration, political correctness, human rights etc." quite obviously implies a list of abstract ideas that are being debated at the moment. I never said that I have anything against any of these, but I reserve the right to comment on these. Taking the example of human rights for instance I think that everyone who enters a country is obliged to respect the country's laws. If you seriously trespass, you forfeited your right to be in the country and shouldn't whinge if they send you home.

So, who was your last account before it was banned?

Hande hoche!

It's all very exciting.

RaRaRasputin

What exactly do you want me to reply? I haven't had an account here before. I am sorry that you can't counter my arguments in a different way than accusing me of being a post-banned user. What's next, am I also a paedophile, cannibal or suicide bomber? You just disqualified yourself ..

LH Pathe

Am so comfortably not racist in my own mind I have no problem with using racial slurs for a cheap laugh. But then It's like I'm just saying it to massage my own not-racist ego?! there's so many english and Iranians I teh family anyhow we always end up ganging up on the english, just for being different!!

Pherekydes

What's your view on immigration, Mr Immigrant?

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

What's your view on immigration, Mr Immigrant?

Who are you asking?

Immigration is coola boola once you are legal.

If you are a failed asylum seekers(like 90% of them), on a bogey english language visa just to work, involved in a sham marriage or illegal, GTFO.

Legal, welcome to Ireland.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Who are you asking?

Immigration is coola boola once you are legal.

If you are a failed asylum seekers(like 90% of them), on a bogey english language visa just to work, involved in a sham marriage or illegal, GTFO.

Legal, welcome to Ireland.

90%? Really?

IrishAm

old hippy wrote: »

90%? Really?

Yeah, very few get refugee status.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Yeah, very few get refugee status.

So 90% of newcomers are actually failed asylum seekers?

IrishAm

old hippy wrote: »

So 90% of newcomers are actually failed asylum seekers?

Hell, no! I never said that. 90% of people who claim asylum eventually become failed asylum seekers. Only 3% get deported! I can verify these figures if you doubt them.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Hell, no! I never said that. 90% of people who claim asylum eventually become failed asylum seekers. Only 3% get deported! I can verify these figures if you doubt them.

I'm sure you can. But are all failed applicants bogus, in your view?

Pherekydes

IrishAm wrote: »

Hell, no! I never said that. 90% of people who claim asylum eventually become failed asylum seekers. Only 3% get deported! I can verify these figures if you doubt them.

That's cool. Most people who come here are not asylum seekers, though.

I was asking Mr Immigrant (Rasputin).

IrishAm

Pherekydes wrote: »

That's cool. Most people who come here are not asylum seekers, though.

I am well aware of that. Most are fellow EU citizens and are as welcome to move here as I am to move to any of the other 26 EU states.

golden lane

IrishAm wrote: »

I am well aware of that. Most are fellow EU citizens and are as welcome to move here as I am to move to any of the other 26 EU states.

hundreds of millions of eu citizins....are entitled to move to ireland...

but only four million irish are entitled to move to the eu countries......

IrishAm

golden lane wrote: »

hundreds of millions of eu citizins....are entitled to move to ireland...

but only four million irish are entitled to move to the eu countries......

I know that. But free movement of goods and labour are some of the founding principles of the EU. We signed up for membership and ratified(eventually!) every EU treaty.

So we cannot complain about EU citizens moving here.

RaRaRasputin

Look at my previous posts. Clear enough there I should hope

IrishAm

old hippy wrote: »

I'm sure you can. But are all failed applicants bogus, in your view?

Not all. Just the vast, vast majority of them.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Not all. Just the vast, vast majority of them.

Do you have access to failed applications or sit on the board or something?

mongdesade

old hippy wrote: »

Do you have access to failed applications or sit on the board or something?

No, he's obviously a member of...

IrishAm

old hippy wrote: »

Do you have access to failed applications or sit on the board or something?

Nah. Previous Justice Ministers Dermot Ahern, Lenihan and McDowell all stated that the vast majority of asylum seekers were bogus.

They would know, it being their brief and all.

old hippy

IrishAm wrote: »

Nah. Previous Justice Ministers Dermot Ahern, Lenihan and McDowell all stated that the vast majority of asylum seekers were bogus.

They would know, it being their brief and all.

Are they, perchance, members of successive Fianna Fail Govts who lied, stole (allegedly, natch) and treated the electorate with contempt?