Comments that left you fuming! (And maths debate)

Doctor Jimbob

Haelium wrote: »

Stupidest comment I ever heard? Here's a list of them:
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

How the **** any anyone actually think like that?

G.muny

By the way I got a C1 in O level Maths and I was suprised to get even that. I am hopeless at Maths. Always have and always have been. I am regional manager for a well known cosmetic brand in the Dublin area. My work does involve alot of numbers. As far as sales, targets etc are concerned.


Do you know what I do? I use a calculator.

Yahew

G.muny wrote: »

By the way I got a C1 in O level Maths and I was suprised to get even that. I am hopeless at Maths. Always have and always have been. I am regional manager for a well known cosmetic brand in the Dublin area. My work does involve alot of numbers. As far as sales, targets etc are concerned.


Do you know what I do? I use a calculator.

The guys who designed the calculator could do the hard sums.

Unregistered.

Louthdrog wrote: »

A lot of them actually.

Such as?

Louthdrog

Unregistered. wrote: »

Such as?

Actually I dont know. Was certain engineering course in my college didnt require higher level. Just checked there and its turns out they do. Please excuse my ignorance.

coolx

Yahew wrote: »

The guys who designed the calculator could do the hard sums.

You come across as an awful tosser altogether. You must be a hardcore liberal judging from your demeanor. Damn Communists.

Yahew

coolx wrote: »

You come across as an awful tosser altogether. You must be a hardcore liberal judging from your demeanor. Damn Communists.

Yes, us maths fans are communists. I think.



Are we?

G.muny

Yahew wrote: »

The guys who designed the calculator could do the hard sums.

I am sure he could, whats your point?

Unregistered.

Yahew wrote: »

Yes, us nerds are communists. I think.



Are we?

F.Y.P.

Yahew

G.muny wrote: »

I am sure he could, whats your point?

The point is we need honours maths for the calculator business. And the other stuff which keeps the modern world going.

coolx

For anybody who does not wish to rely on unqualified Quango's
for teaching, this is by far one of the best books to learn Higher
Level Maths on your own.

It actually explains the concepts and isn't poorly written.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Foundation-Mathematics-Modern-Applications/dp/0201342944/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322506007&sr=1-3

Johnny D. Mudd

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

How the **** any anyone actually think like that?

Just noticed a bit from this:

"A Man Is a Rape-Supporter if.......He watches pornography in which women are depicted."

Does that then mean that she has no problem if men watch gay porn instead?

G.muny

Hey folks, I got an A1 in higher History in my leaving cert. I pity those other peasents who just done ordinary level. How ever do they function in society. I mean they are basically retards. EVERYONE needs to know every last detail of the 1916 rising or how will they manage to cross the road on their own! I mean maybe the will get a job cleaning toilets if they have someone else to help them but otherwise they are fu(ked.

Now excuse me while I go massage my superior higher level knowing history filled brain.

coolx

Yahew wrote: »

The point is we need honours maths for the calculator business. And the other stuff which keeps the modern world going.

Reverse Polish notational calculators don't rely on Higher level maths. At the end of the day, it's a syllabus, not a one size fits all solution to learning advanced mathematics. Did Einstein not do Leaving Cert Honours Maths? Guy must have been an idiot.

G.muny

Yahew wrote: »

The point is we need honours maths for the calculator business. And the other stuff which keeps the modern world going.

Yes, there are some areas which higher maths are needed but generally its not as important as far as being a functioning member of society as what has been made out by some people in this thread. Like I said, I have a well paid job at the moment and aren't great at maths and it doesn't hinder me in the slightest and never has.

I just had a problem with the person that was saying Ordinary leve Maths was for retards and people who do O level will never amount to much simply because they are not the best at Maths.

Everyone is different as far as their talents are concerned. Some are great with numbers, other with languages, others with Arts etc. Not being good at Maths isn't the be all and all.

I also had a problem with them refering to manual labour like anyone who does manual labour is to be looked down upon as well. Just elitest bull**** to me. Sounds like someone was good at Maths and used this to identify themselves because they had nothing else going for them.

LeeHoffmann

Maybe we should start another thread to deal with the original topic (i.e. not Maths!!) :pac:

Cantona's Collars

Yahew wrote: »

The guys who designed the calculator could do the hard sums.

I could do the 'hard sums' in my head in school-got grief from the maths teacher for not writing down the solution and how I got it.
Think he was just jealous that I could come up with the correct answer in my head where he had to write down a long convoluted process in order to get the answer.He tried to justify this by saying "writing down the answer isn't proper maths"
I always thought that was the point-get a problem and give the solution.I did the same with physics,used to piss of the lecturer no end so I resorted to making stuff up and then give an answer.

Never tried designing a calculator though,that also just gives you the answers:rolleyes:

Yahew

I just had a problem with the person that was saying Ordinary leve Maths was for retards and people who do O level will never amount to much simply because they are not the best at Maths.

WEll I wasn't supporting the retards comment. The thread moved onto whether we needed honours maths at all, or whether it is needed even for science degrees, and that is where we are at.

In any case as you go through life you will find, in general, the A students work for the B students.

BUT we still need honours maths. Even if some don't see the point.

Yahew

zerks wrote: »

I could do the 'hard sums' in my head in school-got grief from the maths teacher for not writing down the solution and how I got it.
Think he was just jealous that I could come up with the correct answer in my head where he had to write down a long convoluted process in order to get the answer.He tried to justify this by saying "writing down the answer isn't proper maths"
I always thought that was the point-get a problem and give the solution.I did the same with physics,used to piss of the lecturer no end so I resorted to making stuff up and then give an answer.

Never tried designing a calculator though,that also just gives you the answers:rolleyes:

Yeah, I can see his point though. The working out is part of the problem solving. If you could work it out in your head, you can write it down.

coolx

People care far too much about other peoples unsubstantiated opinions. I did Orindary level maths for the Leaving and now currently write software for a living.

What did I do? I improved my mathematical ability not through school, but bought a book and studied myself. Just because somebody does ordinary level maths as a youngster in school, does not mean they won't improve upon that level in the future.

I know several registered engineers who did OL for the leaving, went to college for an ordinary degree and got a high mark. They transferred and got their honours degree in engineering in the end. That is all that matters.

School is worth very little these days. The requirement for third level education proves this. School is a joke at the best of times. We have arts grads teaching maths:rolleyes:

Yahew

coolx wrote: »

People care far too much about other peoples unsubstantiated opinions. I did Orindary level maths for the Leaving and now currently write software for a living.

What did I do? I improved my mathematical ability not through school, but bought a book and studied myself. Just because somebody does ordinary level maths as a youngster in school, does not mean they won't improve upon that level in the future.

I know several registered engineers who did OL for the leaving, went to college for an ordinary degree and got a high mark. They transferred and got their honours degree in engineering in the end. That is all that matters.

School is worth very little these days. The requirement for third level education proves this. School is a joke at the best of times. We have arts grads teaching maths:rolleyes:

Maybe the arts graduate got a book and self-taught?

G.muny

Yahew wrote: »

WEll I wasn't supporting the retards comment. The thread moved onto whether we needed honours maths at all, or whether it is needed even for science degrees, and that is where we are at.

In any case as you go through life you will find, in general, the A students work for the B students.

BUT we still need honours maths. Even if some don't see the point.

Yeh, I agree we do need honour Maths to allow people who do have a passion for Maths to have that option to pursue their intrest in it and maybe they can go on to do great things with Maths that they couldn't have done if it were eradicated. But I'd say the same about most other subjects as well.

coolx

Yahew wrote: »

Maybe the arts graduate got a book and self-taught?

I have a MSc, so who cares. I never learnt anything worthwhile from teachers. Any credentials I earned, was through my own study. My
school truancy records proves that. I hated school with a passion.

Most people are capable of practically anything provided you are willing to work your hole off. The CEO and researcher of Silicon graphics never even got a high school diploma. Is James H Clark an idiot?

He was in fact suspended from school. Did that stop him? No. The 3D acceleration in your machine is derived from the thoughts of this high school dropout who managed a PhD.

Is this man a no hoper?

Yahew

coolx wrote: »

I have a MSc, so who cares. I never learnt anything worthwhile from teachers. Any credentials I earned, was through my own study. My
school truancy records proves that. I hated school with a passion.

Most people are capable of practically anything provided you are willing to work your hole off. The CEO and researcher of Silicon graphics never even got a high school diploma. Is James H Clark an idiot?

He was in fact suspended from school. Did that stop him? No. The 3D acceleration in your machine is derived from the thoughts of this high school dropout who managed a PhD.

Is this man a no hoper?

Didn't say he was ( though his story is rare).

You however want one criteria for people who did OL at school and may have blossomed late to mathematically ability, and another different criteria for Arts Graduates who dare teach mathematics. You are extremely hostile to the latter ( and not just in this thread).

coolx

Yahew wrote: »

Didn't say he was ( though his story is rare).

You however want one criteria for people who did OL at school and may have blossomed late to mathematically ability, and another different criteria for Arts Graduates who dare teach mathematics. You are extremely hostile to the latter ( and not just in this thread).

You raise a fair point about different criteria. I am totally wrong on that count. Though that story might be rare, it's damaging to tell somebody they are ****e at maths at a young age. Would the high school teachers been able to pick out clark for his future potential despite not even finishing school?

School teachers tend to make up their minds about students early on. Maybe this is fine for most cases, but you are always going to let down the next James H Clarke if you tell somebody at 7 they are stupid in maths or something. We should encourage improvement, not scorn people.

Cantona's Collars

Yahew wrote: »

Yeah, I can see his point though. The working out is part of the problem solving. If you could work it out in your head, you can write it down.

The problem was the way I got the answers-it didn't match his way so his air of superiority took a bit of a bashing and he didn't like that.Sometimes all I needed to do was glance at the problem posed and viola the answer was there.
(lol, I sound like Rainman:D)

It's strange looking back at how people turned out,I've seen lads who were dismissed as wasters by teachers and are now very successful.

steddyeddy

zerks wrote: »

I could do the 'hard sums' in my head in school-got grief from the maths teacher for not writing down the solution and how I got it.
Think he was just jealous that I could come up with the correct answer in my head where he had to write down a long convoluted process in order to get the answer.He tried to justify this by saying "writing down the answer isn't proper maths"
I always thought that was the point-get a problem and give the solution.I did the same with physics,used to piss of the lecturer no end so I resorted to making stuff up and then give an answer.

Never tried designing a calculator though,that also just gives you the answers:rolleyes:

Ha the same problem. I wasnt good at maths but in primary school I could do sums in my head the teacher said he couldnt do he accussed me of copying until I did another in front of him.

Pherekydes

Yahew wrote: »

Maybe the arts graduate got a book and self-taught?

Or maybe their BA is in Mathematics?

razorblunt

Gophur wrote: »

Your barometer of success?

Depends what you're measuring!

Yahew

Pherekydes wrote: »

Or maybe their BA is in Mathematics?

true, dat.

I don't have a problem with Arts grads teaching Maths, for the record. Its coolx.

coolx

Yahew wrote: »

true, dat.

I don't have a problem with Arts grads teaching Maths, for the record. Its coolx.

I generalised. There are mathematicians with maths degrees and science modules. My remarks about you and that issue were ignorant. I apologise for that.

One comment that left me raging in school was when the teacher told someone with a learning disability that they were "thick" in front of the class.

That was simply a jibe to make her appear better. The rubbish teachers overshadow the ones that actually give a damn. By a big margin.

steddyeddy

Yahew wrote: »

Didn't say he was ( though his story is rare).

You however want one criteria for people who did OL at school and may have blossomed late to mathematically ability, and another different criteria for Arts Graduates who dare teach mathematics. You are extremely hostile to the latter ( and not just in this thread).

Right you seem to have a problem with peoples ability to improve on their maths skills. Ordinary maths isnt the life sentence you seem to think it is. People can improve on maths just like they can improve on all subjects. There are people coming from access courses into science and engineering programs (UCD has an access to science and engineering program for example) without a leaving cert who apply themselves and do very well.