Blunt object vs. edged weapon

cyberwolf77

This is something that has been bothering me for some time. Why does everyone seem to assume a edged weapon is ideal for dealing with zombie infestations? In my opinion a good heavy, blunt object accomplishes the goal just as well without the risk of getting your weapon lodged in the zombie's body. Also, even if you decapitate the attacking zombie you still have to destroy the brain unless you want to risk being bitten while trying to move the head to a destruction point.

BigDuffman

A combo of both IMO! A heavy edged weapon..! As blunt force breaks bones and edged cuts.I agree a light sharpy is of no use. A blunt object on its own is not much use aka smashing a Z in the ribs/arm (sure even a broken leg won't stop em) won't have much of an effect, you'd need a head shot. But cleaving off an arm or chopping a leg out from under them with an axe is far more effective. As they can't chase / grab you!

Doc Ruby

The normal spectrum of violence goes from fist -> knuckleduster/rock -> knife -> club so I'd be inclined to agree with you there, although I wouldn't write off a pair of punch knives with handguards to do a lot of damage.

cyberwolf77

Doc Ruby wrote: »

The normal spectrum of violence goes from fist -> knuckleduster/rock -> knife -> club so I'd be inclined to agree with you there, although I wouldn't write off a pair of punch knives with handguards to do a lot of damage.

True, but do you really want to put your hands that close to a zombie's mouth.

Zomg Okay

There was talk of this recently in a zombie hunter loadout over on the airsoft forum. One guy brought the halligan bar to the table, and you really can't go wrong with it:

cyberwolf77

Halligan would be an awesome tool for urban operations

doctor evil

What about that yoke that worf used?

cyberwolf77

You mean the batleth?

doctor evil

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

You mean the batleth?

just google it, thats the one.

cyberwolf77

That still seems like an edged weapon. I favor the crushing power of a mace personally

snafuk35

The batleth.

Zomg Okay

snafuk35 wrote: »

The batleth.

I don't think you could be more impractical, to be honest.

snafuk35

Zomg Okay wrote: »

I don't think you could be more impractical, to be honest.

Oh yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuG5Vjhukzk

doctor evil

It wouldn't beat a crossbow and arrows but that could take more skill.

A modified bathlet with sharp bits at the end and some more weight to it would give good reach.

Of course, this is all assuming that survivors know how to weld and got the tools.

Zomg Okay

snafuk35 wrote: »

Oh yeah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuG5Vjhukzk

He's clearly a martial artist - how many years was he training before he could do that kata? :rolleyes:

That's a weapon that would require years of practice to use properly and you don't have time to master something like that when a horde of zombies is battering on your door. Without training you'd be more likely to hurt yourself than a zombie.

And even if you can use it, that doesn't make it practical. I don't think it would cut clean through a neck or limb and anything less isn't going to bother a zombie, really.

It's all well and good to be able to do a kata with it but that doesn't mean you can use it to survive against a group of enemies that are more immune to pain than a drugged-up thug.

doctor evil

Back to sharp shovels with long handles.

ChaseThisLight

If you consider how messy it is to use a sharp object - the blood splatter and the risk of contamination are high - I'd say a blunt object would be best; you can do a lot of damage to the human skull/brain with a baseball bat, etc, and not always cause an open wound. Plus, as mentioned, a sharp object might get lodged, and in some situations, you might not have the time needed to work your weapon loose before another zed attacks.

RiderOnTheStorm

the blood splatter is an issue all right. As the disease may be spread that way (we just wont know until it happens). But I think we can safely say that the amount of splatter from a bat will be the same as from a sword. Remember, these Z's dont have blood pumping in their bodies (the heart is stopped) so its just a congealed gel. If you thump a lump of steak with a bat or chop it with a knife, I reckon you get the same (minimal) mess. It would be a lot different if you do the same to the living cow. I wont be trying this out.

But that brings me to my point. The only way a blunt obj will take out a Z is by destroying the core of the brain. To do this, you will have to batter the skull open and then destroy the brain. That might be possible in one blow, if you are lucky / skillfull / strong enough. On the other hand, a chopping (or cutting) blow to the head, at neck level will sever the spine and all motion will cease (if you hit neck in right place). OK, the Z might not be 'dead', but if its not moving (including mouth not biting your ankles!) then job done :-)

So, you do have an issue with blades being caught on bone & stuff. But the best way to avoid that is with a good blade, pratice, and carry a few backup blades!

r0n0c

Another thing to remember when your choosing your CQC weapon of choice is its weight and your own physical fitness and stamnia.
As cool as it'd be to be lopping heads off with an axe or caving them in with a sledgehammer the weight of them will slow you down in no time. They were designed to be used in a vertical motion not a horizontal one.
A climbing axe/ice axe is the one for me thanks. Lightweight, sharp and is nice and small, easy to weild and carry.

doctor evil

How about a garda baton and riot shield?

I was thinking hurleys/baseball bats could have some metal with a edge riveted into them.

r0n0c

which type of sheild you thinking of? The large 6 foot one is a 2 handed job. I doubt that the baseball bat or the hurley could destroy the brain in one go.

Remmy

What happens when an axe and a sledgehammer have babies? Zombies die...

Doc Ruby

Look no further and say no more, start at about 0:34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJvLNkFzblQ

cyberwolf77

I suddenly need to acquire a walking stick.

ScumLord

A blunt object will probably have more splash back due to the force of such a heavy fast moving, it could have an explosive impact.

Really splash back ruins any chance of close combat, what I'll be using is a pike to get the thing to the ground and something like a sledge to crush the head.

cyberwolf77

Break their hands, they can't grab ya. Bust their knees, they can't chase you. Come back later with friends

BigDuffman

+1 RidersOnTheStorm

A heavy edged wpn is your only man. Something that carrys power behind the blow to break bone but will still hack into / cut away (take the head / arms / legs off).


A Z can't chase you down if its knee caps are cut out. But a smack of bat on the arm won't really do much on its own.

Raid a museum for a mace! Pick up a shield whilst looting artefacts if stuck for a modern equivalent!

Doc Ruby

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

I suddenly need to acquire a walking stick.

Perfectly street legal too.

cyberwolf77

BigDuffman wrote: »

+1 RidersOnTheStorm

A heavy edged wpn is your only man. Something that carrys power behind the blow to break bone but will still hack into / cut away (take the head / arms / legs off).


A Z can't chase you down if its knee caps are cut out. But a smack of bat on the arm won't really do much on its own.

Raid a museum for a mace! Pick up a shield whilst looting artefacts if stuck for a modern equivalent!

I been contemplating how to manufacture a modern version of a mace

RiderOnTheStorm

I am liking the idea of medieval type wepons more and more. Esp the likes of a pike, mace, spear and the shaolin spade. A bit od distance between you and the Z is nice, and you need a weighted edge weapon imho.

But you dont want a weapon that is too cumbersome. A long pike needs room to move and not good in tight spaces. A sledgehammer will easily crush a skull and brain, but you cant move it quickly, and you will get tired very quickly.

So I reckon you need a few weapons. Miyamoto Musahi says you should not have a favourite weapon, but should be proficent in many. So I would like to have a machette, hand-axe (with a 3' long handle) and something like a pike. They are the close quarter weapons (small med & large) and varity to suit different occasions.

robertpatterson

Shot gun!

Zomg Okay

robertpatterson wrote: »

Shot gun!

Bludgeoning a zombie with a shotgun wouldn't do an awful lot, I'd say. =/

BigDuffman

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Bludgeoning a zombie with a shotgun wouldn't do an awful lot, I'd say. =/

I dunno my boomstick (a solid auld s/s) would weigh more than baseball bat! A tad more unweildy but if swung by the barrel it would crack a skull or two.

cyberwolf77

Tire thumper:

virminhunter

28ounce estwing, sharp on one side blunt on the other

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jugger

virminhunter wrote: »

28ounce estwing, sharp on one side blunt on the other

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you want blunt on one side sharp on the other you need
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cyberwolf77

I'll take this for open space combat:


Close quarters I still favor the mace with a shield of some kind

cyberwolf77

I got a couple bats, and a hardwood hockey stick. Pretty sure they could clear me a path past a few zombies on my way to a more secure position

Carter P Fly

My Combo would be a modern version of Viking weaponery.

In one hand I would have aCircular perspex riot shield and in the other I woudl have a one handed battle axe or warhammer and a short Sword in my belt for backup

RiderOnTheStorm

For close quarter combat work, with blunt v edge in mind, you could try an ice axe that mountain climbers use:



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I think this might have tendancy to get stuck in bone as it does have quite a point on it. But it would have good penetration and should go deep into the brain and cause serious damage.

there are other climbing tools, some have hammer on one side and spike on other, and they come in varity of lengths and prices.

RiderOnTheStorm

this is another good, non-blade, over the counter tool. I think it has been mentioned before. Its the Stanley Fubar III. Its 30" long and speaks for itself. I am not keen on the nail removal fork at the end. I think it might catch on your wrist and tear the skin. There are ones without this option but they are all a bit small imho.




This is the closest thing to a modern over-the-counter mace, I reckon.

ScumLord

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

this is another good, non-blade, over the counter tool. I think it has been mentioned before. Its the Stanley Fubar III. Its 30" long and speaks for itself. I am not keen on the nail removal fork at the end. I think it might catch on your wrist and tear the skin. There are ones without this option but they are all a bit small imho.




This is the closest thing to a modern over-the-counter mace, I reckon.

The 30" is good for going through brick walls but may be a bit on the heavy side for effective combat. The nail puller at the end is a bit awkward and feels like it's in the way (not that it is) but it's a vital part of the hammers ability to break into things and would allow you to go right through someone as you can get a good hold on the hammer end and drive it into things.

Mellor

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

For close quarter combat work, with blunt v edge in mind, you could try an ice axe that mountain climbers use:

I think the obvious problem is that they are designed to go in but not come you easily

Tigger

bastard sword and circular shield with a heavy center buckler

fatal1ty

Might I recommend a tyre iron...? heavy, strong, and can change a wheel!!! ;D

13spanner

It'd be a blunt weapon for me. I'd go for a lump hammer. Like a claw hammer, but with the head of a sledge. Serious weight behind one when you get a good swing going, and could pick one up on any farm. The only thing I wouldn't like about one is how close you have to get before swinging...