The Ultimate Survival Knife [Read Mod post #175]

Grizzly 45

Hibrion wrote: »

I like the term "utility blade", Grizzly. That is what I expected would come out of this thread.

I think we can safely say there is enough interest in this project and that no-one wants a folder!!

True enough,just hrew it in as a pot boiler.Be a major PITA to design IMO.

I'll say this though, of all the knives I have I use three knives the most: one custom, one medium priced off the shelf and a cheap off the shelf. The thing is they are all a within a few mm of 4 inches. That's the size I'd go for in an all purpose knife.

Measured my thre most used/survival utility and they are all OAL of appx 12 ins with appx 3to4in grips.Proably just because I have big hands,I find these nore user friendly.Anything over,are really knife draw queens.

Hibrion

MODS: can anyone tell me how to make a new poll at the top of the thread? It's time to ask our next important question.

eth0

Hibrion wrote: »

MODS: can anyone tell me how to make a new poll at the top of the thread? It's time to ask our next important question.

The mod will probably have to do it for you, I don't think mere mortals can edit an existing poll after its posted

davymoore

Hibrion wrote: »

MODS: can anyone tell me how to make a new poll at the top of the thread? It's time to ask our next important question.

Hib

You need to ask a mod to help you, Basically he will have to delete the existing poll and then start the new one. It's best if you send him the new poll/polls complete with options so that the can do it for you. Also with the constant need for a mod you would be better off leaving each poll run for a week or some set ammount of time for each step.


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Now just to let you guys know I am not interested in building 2 knives, one big, one small as a SET (That's been done to death and theres no real challenge to us as a group).

What I would be more interested in is seeing if we could come up with a tool that incorporates two knives/ Blades but is just one single tool. A combo tool that can dismantle (Quickly) so that the knives/blades can work independently or function together as one complete tool.

Get your thinking caps on, I think it's a good puzzle

Hibrion

Thanks, Davy. I'll send one of the Mods a PM with the next poll.

This one was to get everyone used to the idea of the poll more than anything. I had no doubt we'd be looking at a fixed blade.

Hibrion

davymoore wrote: »

What I would be more interested in is seeing if we could come up with a tool that incorporates two knives/ Blades but is just one single tool. A combo tool that can dismantle (Quickly) so that the knives/blades can work independently or function together as one complete tool

Now that does sound like a challenge. I'm a bit puzzled too. You're interested in a knife with two blades but one that isn't two knives and it's not a folder?

Interesting.. I have one idea in my head but not sure if I think it will work. It could be very gimmicky.

I'll throw together a sketch and see what people think.

krissovo

davymoore wrote: »

Get your thinking caps on, I think it's a good puzzle

Game on I like a challenge, I have some ideas already. I will draw them tomorrow and post them up.

Hibrion

How about something like a bird and trout knife/ small carver that fits inside the handle of a large camp knife/ parang? The handle of the larger knife would have to be hollowed out and we would have to figure out how the blades could go together, but it might be worth considering.

Something like this idea: http://www.amazon.com/Paratrax-Bowie-Knife-Removable-Blade/dp/B000RMNXFA

But much less cheap and tacky looking and with more useable profiles ont he blades and a tidier fit into the handle of the larger knife?

krissovo

That was my thought process as well but I would worry about the strength and I would not want to lose the possibility of using the but as a hammer.

I have another idea or two that need drawings to explain properly.

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

Are you using a carbon Mora clipper or a different type? My carbon Mora is by far the easiest knife to sharpen that I own.

I agree that they could be sharper a full tang version would be nice. I have a USMC knife and havn't got much use for it and I don't much of the sog seal pup's quality. But everyone is different.

The Mora I use is a stainless steal one at the moment but I just recived a carbon one in the post this morning so ill give that a try next week

The Ka-bar and the sog I like mainly for size and they are alot stronger than the mora I like to have my knife on my belt rather than have to take it out of the pack every time thats why I go for the small to med size I can hide it in plain sight

Hibrion

You'll find the carbon mora much easier to sharpen. What are you using to sharpen it btw?

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

You'll find the carbon mora much easier to sharpen. What are you using to sharpen it btw?

I was given a naniwa diamond water sharping stone years ago and still use it I have to look at a smaller one to bring with me when out and about as this is too big

Hibrion

Try a falkniven DC4 for a field stone. I find it great.

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

Try a falkniven DC4 for a field stone. I find it great.

Cheers ill have a look at it

coolbreeze01

hi all have being watching this thread closely, think its a great project.

the best way i can think of to get both into one knife is to have like an sds system so you have changeable blades to go into one handle, but i guess thats like two knives as well.

krissovo

Ok here is my first effort:o I am no artist so I apologize in advance.

Description: Full tang main blade, small blade hiding in main handle (no handle on small blade), pommel on hinge.

krissovo

Second effort:

Description: As "Knife 1" but small blade handle is incorporated and forms part of the main handle. Held in place by pommel.

krissovo

3rd Effort:

Description: As "Knife 2" but small blade extends into recess of main blade.



Its a tough ask to design, what do we compromise on?

Grizzly 45

Thinking a one piece of steel with a simple blade shape on one end and on the other a scraper type/axe blade grind on the other. Mid point is the grip for holding it.Drill a few holes in it at strategic places so it can be lashed into a split stick,broom handle,shovel handle,etc and you have a workable hatchet/tomahawk. On the knife end maybe a gut hook style grove to cut rope,belts,gut,makeshift fish spear?
Its the only way at the moment that I see how you could build a one piece utility knife without compromising its one piece strenghth integrity.

krissovo

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thinking a one piece of steel with a simple blade shape on one end and on the other a scraper type/axe blade grind on the other. Mid point is the grip for holding it.Drill a few holes in it at strategic places so it can be lashed into a split stick,broom handle,shovel handle,etc and you have a workable hatchet/tomahawk. On the knife end maybe a gut hook style grove to cut rope,belts,gut,makeshift fish spear?
Its the only way at the moment that I see how you could build a one piece utility knife without compromising its one piece strenghth integrity.

Fantastic concept and really thinking out side the box. It could be a challenge to handle safely but with a few tweaks you could be onto something.

Tigger

something like that exists i've seen it

cant find it tho

ShadowFox

Tigger wrote: »

something like that exists i've seen it

cant find it tho

Yeah Ive seen it too it was some sort of throwing axe if I remember right


I was thinking of something like this http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/TO101/tops-knives-tom-brown-tracker-fixed
but with the handle flat at the back to be used as a hammer with a skinning blade in the handle like Krissovo said. Make the back of the main blade a saw so it will be an 1) An Axe 2) A Saw 3) A Carving Blade 4) A Skinning Blade And a groove in the top of the blade for a fire steel that may also be intergrated into the handle or on the sheath if need be

ShadowFox

Tigger wrote: »

something like that exists i've seen it

cant find it tho

I think these are what I was thinking about Tigger
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/ON9428G/ontario-ranger-series-xtreme-rescue-18-inch
OR
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CN4012TRT/condor-tool-

Tigger

grapeape wrote: »

I think these are what I was thinking about Tigger
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/ON9428G/ontario-ranger-series-xtreme-rescue-18-inch
OR
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/CN4012TRT/condor-tool-

i've seen two knives tht fit together at 90' to hammer and chop i'm frustrated that i cant find an image

davymoore

Some good ideas getting through there lads, keep em coming

Hibrion

I have to say, for me this is moving away from something I'd be comfortable with as my one and only survival knife.
That being said I'm happy to give my input and guide discussion for the benefit of those that want a combo style thing like this.

Might I sugest that, instead of having a hinged pommel you could go for one which is threaded in place and permanently attached to the smaller knife. It might be more secure if people want something for hammering and bashing.

davymoore

Here's an idea that was leppin around in my poor head, it's a kind of russian doll idea

Tigger

Hibrion wrote: »

I have to say, for me this is moving away from something I'd be comfortable with as my one and only survival knife.
That being said I'm happy to give my input and guide discussion for the benefit of those that want a combo style thing like this.

Might I sugest that, instead of having a hinged pommel you could go for one which is threaded in place and permanently attached to the smaller knife. It might be more secure if people want something for hammering and bashing.

i agree
to me the if i had to pick a knife concept is fading

but

this is a process

Tigger

davymoore wrote: »

Here's an idea that was leppin around in my poor head, it's a kind of russian doll idea

this exists
you can see it here



http://www.monstermarketplace.com/survival-equipment-and-knives/gator-combo-axe-knife

Hibrion

I would be a bit worried about trusting my survival on a hollow axe TBH.

What ways are there to strengthen it?

Tigger

Hibrion wrote: »

I would be a bit worried about trusting my survival on a hollow axe TBH.

What ways are there to strengthen it?

i think that when you poll it it will be gone

davymoore

Yeah Tigger I suppose you are right. My apologies. It was about "A" knife and we are probably getting way off track.

It was just with a few guys saying that you would ultimately need two knives, one large, one small to tackle all tasks for survival. I thought then about building a combo tool to do all duties.

So .... back on track...... If you had to pick just one knife,

How big/small would it have to be ? What blade shape? Why ?

What would you like to be carrying when the S**T hits the fan ?

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

I would be a bit worried about trusting my survival on a hollow axe TBH.

What ways are there to strengthen it?

I have the bigger one with the saw in the handle to be honest ive only used the saw at home but ive used the axe lots of times and its grand holds a good edge easy to sharpen the handle is like a polymer feels great in saying that its never got stuck far enough into a tree or log that ive had to but major pressure to get it out

Tigger

davymoore wrote: »

Yeah Tigger I suppose you are right. My apologies. It was about "A" knife and we are probably getting way off track.

It was just with a few guys saying that you would ultimately need two knives, one large, one small to tackle all tasks for survival. I thought then about building a combo tool to do all duties.

So .... back on track...... If you had to pick just one knife,

How big/small would it have to be ? What blade shape? Why ?

What would you like to be carrying when the S**T hits the fan ?

i love it when a knife maker talks shtf to me

8 inch blade heavy squared off pommel, blade weight gently curved to the front decent carbon stainless 6mm construction and a tip that will penetrate but not break with not break being the most important

davymoore

Why is the "woodlore" so popular ?

Hibrion

I'm waiting to see what sort of ideas emerge from this discussion before we have another poll.. simply because as of right now I havn't a clue what to put into a poll :O

Tigger

cos the fat bloke reccomends an axe as well
this design is ultimate
if an axe is needed as well we'd be fucked

Tigger

Hibrion wrote: »

I'm waiting to see what sort of ideas emerge from this discussion before we have another poll.. simply because as of right now I havn't a clue what to put into a poll :O

blue sky thinking
its all the rage

Hibrion

Sorry, just saw your posts, Davy.

Should we vote on the one or two knife thing guys?

I think the woodlore is a popular knife because it is what it is and it gives you the potential, with basic knowledge, to make what you will need in a survival situation.

That, and Ray Mears uses it and he's on the TV!! But seriously, I respect Ray a lot. You don't se any copies of the Bear Grills survival knife floating around, do you?

ShadowFox

davymoore wrote: »

Yeah Tigger I suppose you are right. My apologies. It was about "A" knife and we are probably getting way off track.

It was just with a few guys saying that you would ultimately need two knives, one large, one small to tackle all tasks for survival. I thought then about building a combo tool to do all duties.

So .... back on track...... If you had to pick just one knife,

How big/small would it have to be ? What blade shape? Why ?

What would you like to be carrying when the S**T hits the fan ?

Id mostly like something on the lines of the mora knife for sharpness and size only full thang and a little thicker blade or the med tom brown tracker style as both are very useful and eazy to hide on your belt My reasons for this is if the SHTF and i see someone walking towards me with a 12" mini sword on his belt he is gonna find himself looking down the wrong end of a double barrel You could hide it on or in your pack but that takes longer to get to it

davymoore

Hibrion wrote: »

Should we vote on the one or two knife thing guys?

Yeah probably a good idea.

• One knife
• Two Knife set
• Combination Tool

Hibrion

grapeape wrote: »

My reasons for this is if the SHTF and i see someone walking towards me with a 12" mini sword on his belt he is gonna find himself looking down the wrong end of a double barrel You could hide it on or in your pack but that takes longer to get to it

Jeez lad.. you're really preparing for the worst aren't you :eek:

Better keep a few of these on stand by

http://www.hornady.com/store/12-Ga-00-Z-MAX

Hibrion

davymoore wrote: »

Yeah probably a good idea.

• One knife
• Two Knife set
• Combination Tool

My thinking exactly. I'll send off a PM to one of our mods and ask that this be put up for one week.

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

Jeez lad.. you're really preparing for the worst aren't you :eek:

Better keep a few of these on stand by

http://www.hornady.com/store/12-Ga-00-Z-MAX

The man asked the question lol if the SHTF in Sean Connery's words "no point bringing a knife to a gun fight"

Hibrion

I'm only messin with you. Although, I should clarify this is NOT what we mean by a combination tool

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/10456kaj/RonNewtonPistolBowie.jpg

ShadowFox

Hibrion wrote: »

I'm only messin with you. Although, I should clarify this is NOT what we mean by a combination tool

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/10456kaj/RonNewtonPistolBowie.jpg

Spoil sport :(

ShadowFox

how about something on the lines of this
http://images.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/tops/images/tpk001.jpg

Agent_47

Hibrion wrote: »

I would be a bit worried about trusting my survival on a hollow axe TBH.

What ways are there to strengthen it?

Nothing wrong with hollow axes.

http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Yard-and-Garden/Axes-and-Striking

life time warranty, mainly sold to the USA until now due to their popularity. Had to import mine from California

Grizzly 45

Be a cool divers knife that.

Grizzly 45

Hibrion wrote: »

I'm only messin with you. Although, I should clarify this is NOT what we mean by a combination tool

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/10456kaj/RonNewtonPistolBowie.jpg

Nah! This is a combo tool!:D:D