Farming if the euro goes

rancher

fodda wrote: »

About 50 billion since 1973 and over 1.8 billion per year .........as you say rancher and you are correct it would most likely be spent elsewhere together with Irelands contribution to its own farmers. But the point is that as we all now know nobody could afford to give it you or will be able to afford it in the future.

From a taxpayers point of view........1.8 billion could pay for an awful lot of medical care!

Your options.........

A greater or lesser Europe:rolleyes::D
Your new currency the "peasants euro" will be worth a lot less than some of the people you sell your produce too which is good............but all of your fuel and everything that uses it (which is basically everything) is going to soar higher than a moon rocket together with your bagged manure. You will not be able to put your price up because you will eventually loose all benefits of the lesser currency and increase imports of cheaper produce into Ireland.

Your costs are always going to be more because other produces do not need winter feed and the sunshines in their country.

Also EU rules made by the "select few" will dictate what you can and cant do to compete the way you want.

Go it alone and leave the EU.

Same as above but at least you can adjust to suit and be in charge of your own destiny. You are able to impose your own controls and standards to allow you to compete with those who are also in charge of their own destiny instead of waiting for an EU directive 5 years too late.

Whatever happens it will be most likely the end of any assistance and those who arent viable in the new world i am afraid it is bye bye.

Do you know what it costs Ireland to be involved in the EU, as far as I knew it was costing Ireland one euro for every four euro they got back from europe up till 2008, surely it was worth I irelands while giving 500 million to the EU to get a 2 billion cash injection into rural areas,
Sunshine is not the problem in world agriculture at the moment, water is,
as close as southern England, agriculture is running into serious water shortages, Australian farmers have been warned to seriously curtail their use of water as some of their rivers are no longer reaching the coast
Don't think water shortage is a problem here.

irishh_bob

BeeDI wrote: »

Ok then, let's have the same levels of regulation and paper work as New Zealand. It's simply nothing like what we have over here. Costs of production would fall significantly. Farming is the single most policed industry in Ireland.

regulation is political aswell , it exists primarily to keep beuracrats at the dept of agri in jobs , no argeument there

irishh_bob

rancher wrote: »

Do you know what it costs Ireland to be involved in the EU, as far as I knew it was costing Ireland one euro for every four euro they got back from europe up till 2008, surely it was worth I irelands while giving 500 million to the EU to get a 2 billion cash injection into rural areas,
Sunshine is not the problem in world agriculture at the moment, water is,
as close as southern England, agriculture is running into serious water shortages, Australian farmers have been warned to seriously curtail their use of water as some of their rivers are no longer reaching the coast
Don't think water shortage is a problem here.

i thought climate change was a myth

whelan1

reilig wrote: »

It was on the moneymatters forum. I'm sure it would be easy to build up 10k on a card and then if you didn't pay it off the interest would build very fast.
I have a Eur1200 limit on my card, thank god. Thinking strongly about cutting it up.

paid off my credit card today- thank you sfp:)- hadnt cleared it in nearly a year and was still being charged interest on €100 cash i took out in spain in february- robbing ba£$ards

fodda

rancher wrote: »

Do you know what it costs Ireland to be involved in the EU, as far as I knew it was costing Ireland one euro for every four euro they got back from europe up till 2008, surely it was worth I irelands while giving 500 million to the EU to get a 2 billion cash injection into rural areas,
Sunshine is not the problem in world agriculture at the moment, water is,
as close as southern England, agriculture is running into serious water shortages, Australian farmers have been warned to seriously curtail their use of water as some of their rivers are no longer reaching the coast
Don't think water shortage is a problem here.

Its not costing Ireland anything, all we are doing is returning 25% of what we received from others which they cant afford.........its a mess!

sparksfly

johngalway wrote: »

Pay what food really costs then matey, see how ya like it

YOUR grocery budget is subsidised.

What crap, subsidised by myself by paying a large part of my tax to (often) wealthy farmers.
Why does a farming industry in a lowly populated country with ideal climate and fertile land need to be subsidisied to produce reasonably priced foods.

Forget subsidies and start producing more quality finished foods with the added value activities performed here in Ireland. Farmers should be processing their own beef in their own plants, up to a highly finished product, ready for export to restaurants, supermarkets and specialist food stores. Dont be whinging about "prices" from the factories. Set your own prices for your own high quality Irish superfoods.The German restaurant industry for example constantly complains that it just cannot get enough oven-ready Irish beef products that their customers love, price is not an issue.

Yes, it can be done. Co-op models that works in countries like Holland and Denmark can be adopted here, farmers pool their resources.
This type of farming efficiency means that the Dutch (with 25% of our arable land area, some of it reclaimed from the sea and 4 times our population) rank third worldwide in value of agricultural exports, with exports earning 55 billion euro in 2009 compared with 7.15 billion here.

This puts irish farming in a truly shameful light.
Wake up, forget the begging and start acting like business people.

irishh_bob

sparksfly wrote: »

What crap, subsidised by myself by paying a large part of my tax to (often) wealthy farmers.
Why does a farming industry in a lowly populated country with ideal climate and fertile land need to be subsidisied to produce reasonably priced foods.

Forget subsidies and start producing more quality finished foods with the added value activities performed here in Ireland. Farmers should be processing their own beef in their own plants, up to a highly finished product, ready for export to restaurants, supermarkets and specialist food stores. Dont be whinging about "prices" from the factories. Set your own prices for your own high quality Irish superfoods.The German restaurant industry for example constantly complains that it just cannot get enough oven-ready Irish beef products that their customers love, price is not an issue.

Yes, it can be done. Co-op models that works in countries like Holland and Denmark can be adopted here, farmers pool their resources.
This type of farming efficiency means that the Dutch (with 25% of our arable land area, some of it reclaimed from the sea and 4 times our population) rank third worldwide in value of agricultural exports, with exports earning 55 billion euro in 2009 compared with 7.15 billion here.

This puts irish farming in a truly shameful light.
Wake up, forget the begging and start acting like business people.

read a post on another forum recently where it was said that kerrygold trumps every other butter handsdown out in europe but the trouble was its only available on a small number of shelves in supermarkets throughout the continent , some danish ( inferior ) butter is much more commmon , the conclusion was that the irish dairy board and bord bia need to greatly improove in terms of getting irish product out there

fodda

sparksfly wrote: »

Forget subsidies and start producing more quality finished foods with the added value activities performed here in Ireland.

Set your own prices for your own high quality Irish superfoods.

Totally agree.

redzerologhlen

sparksfly wrote: »

Wake up, forget the begging and start acting like business people.

No offence now sparksfly but there is no need to call us all beggars. Call us whingy all you want but we all have to live and the money isint in beef to be honest. No matter how buisness like you are, Sure there is the odd lad that branched off into some niche market and did well for himself but in the mainstream most are breaking even or with a small bit left over. If the german meat market was that good I am sure the Goodman;) would be taking full advantage. It is obvious to everyone that these payments arent sustainable but nobody really knows what will happen when they do go. I dont think its just as simple as getting rid of them because rural Ireland would fall apart. Every beef farmer in the country would be broke overnight so I think we need a more gentle transition. As for often wealthy farmers. I would say they are few and far between. Most farmers are asset rich but would not have much cash in the bank and land is usually handed down so its value is never seen. Very few I would imagine have money in the bank, any spare money is generally put into the farm thus generating more tax. Not too many getting mega payments like you hear about in the papers either. I dont think our climate is suited to growing tulips so we'll leave that to the Dutch. Lastly dont blame the farmers for this and call them beggars, Subsidys werent their idea in the first place but have become neccecary for many to make a living.

fodda

irishh_bob wrote: »

, the conclusion was that the irish dairy board and bord bia need to greatly improove in terms of getting irish product out there

Then use another distributor for your goods, dont sit on your backsides waiting for others who dont appear very good at the jobs to get it together.

fodda

redzerologhlen wrote: »

No offence now sparksfly but there is no need to call us all beggars. Call us whingy all you want but we all have to live and the money isint in beef to be honest. No matter how buisness like you are, Sure there is the odd lad that branched off into some niche market and did well for himself but in the mainstream most are breaking even or with a small bit left over. If the german meat market was that good I am sure the Goodman;) would be taking full advantage. It is obvious to everyone that these payments arent sustainable but nobody really knows what will happen when they do go. I dont think its just as simple as getting rid of them because rural Ireland would fall apart. Every beef farmer in the country would be broke overnight so I think we need a more gentle transition. As for often wealthy farmers. I would say they are few and far between. Most farmers are asset rich but would not have much cash in the bank and land is usually handed down so its value is never seen. Very few I would imagine have money in the bank, any spare money is generally put into the farm thus generating more tax. Not too many getting mega payments like you hear about in the papers either. I dont think our climate is suited to growing tulips so we'll leave that to the Dutch. Lastly dont blame the farmers for this and call them beggars, Subsidys werent their idea in the first place but have become neccecary for many to make a living.

You havent got any more time left for your transition.

rancher

fodda wrote: »

Its not costing Ireland anything, all we are doing is returning 25% of what we received from others which they cant afford.........its a mess!

Might be a mess but we might as well have it as anyone else . Politicians, banks, and public service only squandered our money, Don't tell me anything else, we had the celtic tiger for ten years and the health service is still in sh*** Ordinary taxpayers won't bother their backsides to stop the gov and banks from wasting money, so why should I stop claiming subsidies.

sparksfly

redzerologhlen wrote: »

No offence now sparksfly but there is no need to call us all beggars. Call us whingy all you want but we all have to live and the money isint in beef to be honest. No matter how buisness like you are, Sure there is the odd lad that branched off into some niche market and did well for himself but in the mainstream most are breaking even or with a small bit left over. If the german meat market was that good I am sure the Goodman;) would be taking full advantage. It is obvious to everyone that these payments arent sustainable but nobody really knows what will happen when they do go. I dont think its just as simple as getting rid of them because rural Ireland would fall apart. Every beef farmer in the country would be broke overnight so I think we need a more gentle transition. As for often wealthy farmers. I would say they are few and far between. Most farmers are asset rich but would not have much cash in the bank and land is usually handed down so its value is never seen. Very few I would imagine have money in the bank, any spare money is generally put into the farm thus generating more tax. Not too many getting mega payments like you hear about in the papers either. I dont think our climate is suited to growing tulips so we'll leave that to the Dutch. Lastly dont blame the farmers for this and call them beggars, Subsidys werent their idea in the first place but have become neccecary for many to make a living.

Sorry if I caused offence.

It would be more accurate to say that the current system smothers developement of the industry which is not totally the fault of the farmers. I would take all the payments given to me if I were in agriculture.
It just creates an image of an industry living on "cheques from Europe" in the mind of non-farmers.

Look, what irish farmers do well, they do very well.
The high regard in which irish agri-foods are held in other countries is testement to that.

But do not underestimate the potential that there is to exploit a more lucarative export market. A small country of 4.5 million people with near perfect agri conditions exporting live cattle and sides of beef is a shocking waste of resources. This is for large, ranch type enterprises. It is also a lost opportunity for major employment
The export potential of prepared / finished food markets IS that good, other countries ARE taking full advantage. Their revenues prove that.
We are not.
The government, if it was any good, would provide the resources and create the conditions for ramping up the sector to a world class export industry, instead of wasting it on their pensions and salaries.

irishh_bob

fodda wrote: »

Then use another distributor for your goods, dont sit on your backsides waiting for others who dont appear very good at the jobs to get it together.

your so busy lecturing that you failed to notice that i was in agreement with you on product placement and industry promotion