The Bank having their Xmas Party tonight...

Noopti

mossyc123 wrote: »

Most people aren't assuming anything really.

Theoretically, I and others have put forward the idea that tax-payer funded staff entertainment is unacceptable.

The staff can do what they like with their after tax wages, no one has suggested they can't afaik.

So in "theory" they are using their own tax to pay for their own party?

Theory in this case is arse, deal with the facts - which is a prick of a customer decided to take out his anger on the cashiers. That is not on.

melekalikimaka

Snakeblood wrote: »

If the bank is only in business because it got public money, then it should be treated as if it is dependent on public money, and treated like its spending money it got from the public coffers. I'm not sure how that's a crazy proposition.
I'm not entirely happy, for example (actually, I'm furious) about TDs pensions, or the Dail Bar, for example, and I'll happily criticise that in another thread, because it's public money taken from the taxpayers (or to be repaid by the taxpayers at least) that is not being used to best effect.

I don't think subsidising a christmas party for a bank is best effect either.

well i dont think people on social welfare should get double for holidays... but I accept it as something that happens... and its something that is accepted, get over it

mossyc123

Noopti wrote: »

Oh ffs.......where is the evidence this is being paid for by taxpayers....anywhere!?

Typical "rabble rabble" response to this thread. My argument was against the arse of a customer who thought it was ok to take it out on the cashiers.

Oh ffs yourself, i've already said IF it's being funded by the Bank in anyway it's unacceptable.

melekalikimaka

mossyc123 wrote: »

Oh ffs yourself, i've already said IF it's being funded by the Bank in anyway it's unacceptable.

what if its funded by the profits made from the bank and not the tax bailout?

Snakeblood

melekalikimaka wrote: »

well i dont think people on social welfare should get double for holidays... but I accept it as something that happens... and its something that is accepted, get over it

If you're talking about the christmas bonus, that's been gone for 3 years due to changing circumstances. Not accepted.

Snakeblood

melekalikimaka wrote: »

what if its funded by the profits made from the bank and not the tax bailout?

Then they should be paying back the bailout from the money they've made.

gerryo777

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Because they're owned by RBS and haven't gotten any Irish taxpayers money.

Seeing as the OP is refusing to name the bank in question, I'm suspecting it's Ulster Bank or National Irish (part of Danske Bank)

I know who owns them but ulster bank are still covered under the deposit guarantee scheme, so if RBS ever goes tits up it'll still cost us.....

mossyc123

melekalikimaka wrote: »

what if its funded by the profits made from the bank and not the tax bailout?

Ah here, don't start with that sh!te now

TwoShedsJackson

massiveattack wrote: »

No truer word spoken! Everyone hitting the public service while the teachers look after their scumbag un-educatable kids every day

Uneducable

ejmaztec

To summarise:

Christmas parties for bank staff are ok as long as they pay for them themselves, and they string up some token executives to round off the evening.

Sounds fair.

mossyc123

And as for the "they were just the little people, just doin their jobs" argument...

So was everybody fcukin else!!!

What most people didn't have was the safety net of a massive bailout from the State to keep their company afloat/in the country.

A lot of us got nice bonuses and parties around Christmas time during the good times but for most, times have changed.

Some working in Private Sector companies doing well still do get treated to bonuses and perks and fair play to 'em.

The difference is that none of those companies owe their very survival to the State.

ThinkAboutIt

8 pages and all I read was RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

podgemonster

I said this in a recent thread but i think its worth saying again...

I detest Christmas parties. Couple of years back I got dragged to my wifes workplace Christmas party (they are kinda like a bank) I though I'd make the effort for her. It was in the other side of the country so it took me ages to get their at which point I was wrecked.

The place was real slick but I didn't know anyone there, I was completely under dressed for the whole evening. A group of foreign lads showed up and ruined the night, pushing people around, shouting etc... I had a few run-ins with them through the night. The office itself was so big I spent most of the evening looking for my wife and chatting to some fat guy I'd never met.

Eventually I found her in the vault, shot Hans Gruber and threw him out the window.

I am pie

mossyc123 wrote: »

And as for the "they were just the little people, just doin their jobs" argument...

So was everybody fcukin else!!!

What most people didn't have was the safety net of a massive bailout from the State to keep their company afloat/in the country.

A lot of us got nice bonuses and parties around Christmas time during the good times but for most, times have changed.

Some working in Private Sector companies doing well still do get treated to bonuses and perks and fair play to 'em.

The difference is that none of those companies owe their very survival to the State.

A large amount small business survive on credit lines from banks.....can you see where this is going ?

Stop ranting, start thinking.

byhookorbycrook

We pay for our own night up (primary teachers.)Always have done, so don't see why anyone would expect to have the night paid for by anyone else.

Be||e

melekalikimaka wrote: »

what if its funded by the profits made from the bank and not the tax bailout?

Profits? lol

xzanti

feelingblue wrote: »

There was a man behind me in line and as I was leaving I heard him say to the cashier "A Christmas party, after what you shower got up to, you must be kidding me"

He was obviously a retard if he can't differentiate between an innocent hard working cashier and the fat cat bank bosses who got us into said mess.

That, or a troll.

mossyc123

I am pie wrote: »

A large amount small business survive on credit lines from banks.....can you see where this is going ?

Stop ranting, start thinking.

Exactly why we shouldn't have their profit margins dented by any unnecassary (although admittedly tiny) expenses...

35notout

gerryo777 wrote: »

I know who owns them but ulster bank are still covered under the deposit guarantee scheme, so if RBS ever goes tits up it'll still cost us.....

The Deposit Guarantee Scheme and bank bailouts are 2 completely different things and cannot be compared. DGS also includes Credit Unions and Postbank - so are these guys not allowed a party either ???

feelingblue

Thanks for everyones opinion. I stand by what I say and am glad to hear so many of you do too


Am dying to go up on Monday and see who rode who

feelingblue

Ho ho ho :P

gerryo777

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

8 pages and all I read was RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Don't read then!

AnnaGram85

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

We pay for our own night up (primary teachers.)Always have done, so don't see why anyone would expect to have the night paid for by anyone else.

And me

AnnaGram85

goat2 wrote: »

partying is the last thing on my mind right now, looking at the state we are in, the banks are the last establishments i would expect to stage a party

Whats wrong with staff who have worked all year round to celebrate and have a night out to enjoy themselves? Obviously they should pay for it themselves, as I and my staff do.

Fishooks12

goat2 wrote: »

partying is the last thing on my mind right now, looking at the state we are in, the banks are the last establishments i would expect to stage a party

Well AIB don't, mostly unofficial parties paid by for the staff themselves

I don't begrudge anyone a night out, even if it is with "my tax money"

Jesus I hate that attitude, as if we're handing them fivers for each pint

goat2

AnnaGram85 wrote: »

Whats wrong with staff who have worked all year round to celebrate and have a night out to enjoy themselves? Obviously they should pay for it themselves, as I and my staff do.

paying for the whole thing themselves is fine, but dont you think it is hard enough on us at the moment to pay for things we need, i have nothing against the till staff or office staff having fun, i know they are nnot the cause of the mess we are in.

For Forks Sake

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Jesus I hate that attitude, as if we're handing them fivers for each pint

and standing there with the hand out expecting the change back

Freddie59

Sooopie wrote: »

Of course they do - jesus.

What a stupid ignorant man, people like him annoy me

Ignorant - yes. Correct - also yes. A brass cent of taxpayers money should not be spent on such frivolities.

jluv

Did anyone consider that they might have a social fund funding part of the party and they fund the rest as we do? How many people in a branch?20? Goes to a hotel party night..€40 a head maybe subsidised €20 so cost individual €20. Cost to social fund €400.Take 1 or 2 more hundred to buy a few drinks. None of it out of ANYONE elses pocket. But it has created outrage:eek: But the guy getting a couple of hundred thousand payoff you do nothing about...I feel bad for anyone who has lost their job and does not have a Xmas party to go to but let these guys who are not on great pay enjoy a bloody Xmas night out..

DarkJager

The cashiers in these banks didn't cause the crisis, much bigger fish above them did that. Anybody giving them abuse or snide comments as a way of "sticking it to the man" is a ****ing imbecile.

Fbjm

OP, THANK YOU. I repeated my leaving in a really scummy area in a deis school, and every five seconds 'your dad caused the recession', 'your dad gets free premium rugby tickets when I haven't even seen the podium' etc. Drives me nuts!!!

goat2

i like the people i meet on the front line in my local bank, they are helpful, i do not blame and would not blame them for what the banks have done,

Walkman

My sister works in a bank that is also having its Christmas party tonight and for what it's worth the bank have put NOTHING towards the party it has been 100% paid by the employees. And yes they are entitled to have a party if they like at any time of the year.

gigino

ejmaztec wrote: »

To summarise:

Christmas parties for bank staff are ok as long as they pay for them themselves, and they string up some token executives to round off the evening.

Sounds fair.

and do not forget some of these same bank staff sold bank shares to pensioners, to pay for their old age. Some of the pensioners are sitting freezing at home tonight , with their bank shares worthless, while the bank staff party. The bank staff are not so worried over their pensions, after being bailed out by those who have no pensions. String 'em up, I say.

goat2

melekalikimaka wrote: »

well i dont think people on social welfare should get double for holidays... but I accept it as something that happens... and its something that is accepted, get over it

that kind of confuses me, this double for holiday, what holiday, had they been working that hard while they were unemployed,
and i am unemployed, and i can say i am not working at all, so i dont neen holiday bonus, but not in receipt of unemployment.

galway23

Have never the felt the need to post so many "thanks" in a thread.

Just wanted to say that I worked as a cashier for one of the major banks while i was in college during "the good times", even then it was hard work the skills that i learnt have benefitied me for ever and for that i will always be greatful as they have helped me with a future career.

I also have many friends and family still working in the banking sector who in their current job did job did not casue this propblem, yet they are embarredssed to say where they work despite having worked hard all their lives.

I would just like to second what other people have said here, the staff on the front line did not cause the problem, n i also happen to know that the institution that i worked for is not contributing to staff parties.

Any bank staff going out tonight.... Enjoy yourselves, ye deserve it!

seeing_ie

In two minds about this.

While frontline, customer facing staff had no responsibility for what went on, they were certainly aware of what was going on.

Friends in working in banks muttered at the time that if they went to the papers there'd be hell to pay., but wouldn't elaborate.
Nobody went to the papers though.
Understandable.
We don't treat whistleblowers well in this country.

What went on.

This is the only whistleblower of note I'm aware of. Don't think he's Irish, and he hasn't had it easy.

galway23

seeing_ie wrote: »

In two minds about this.

While frontline, customer facing staff had no responsibility for what went on, they were certainly aware of what was going on.

Friends in working in banks muttered at the time that if they went to the papers there'd be hell to pay., but wouldn't elaborate.
Nobody went to the papers though.
Understandable.
We don't treat whistleblowers well in this country.

What went on.

This is the only whistleblower of note I'm aware of. Don't think he's Irish, and he hasn't had it easy.

as i have said previously I was only there during the summer. but I can say without doubt that I was not aware of aware of what was goin on, was just doing what I was told

gigino

+ 1 The same sort of thing only worse went on in Ireland. I know one person earning 20k a year who got a mortgage for over a million during the boom years from the EBS. Irresponsible borrower but fed by a commission hungry lender.

jpm4

gigino wrote: »

and do not forget some of these same bank staff sold bank shares to pensioners, to pay for their old age. Some of the pensioners are sitting freezing at home tonight , with their bank shares worthless, while the bank staff party. The bank staff are not so worried over their pensions, after being bailed out by those who have no pensions. String 'em up, I say.

Share prices go down as well as up am afraid, and many bank staff would have significant savings invested in those same shares which were wiped out.

MOH

Seriously, loads of people getting this worked up about a bank spending money on a crappy Christmas party?

Wait until they hear about the annual bonuses!!

hefferboi

Jazzzman wrote: »

I can't believe what I'm hearing.

The banks are the sole reason this country is in the state it's in, and they're having parties in some fancy hotel no doubt?

I'm sorry, but instead of spending tens of thousands of euros on the party, how about putting some of it into elderly peoples pensions, the roads or give some to the homeless.

A ****ing party??

I'm fuming.

Good on the man in the bank for speaking his mind. It's a massive shame there aren't more like him.

Typical response on here. 'oh he's a prick', 'sure they deserve a knees up'...

no they bloody well don't.

Are they getting rhianna to perform at the party or what?

Jezzabelle

There are thousands of people employed in the banking sector in Ireland and the majority are low level workers in the grand scheme of things cannot be held accountable for the actions of incompetent government, loose regulator and reckless top tier management. People up in arms about them being brought out for a few drinks at Christmas need to get a hold of themselves and see the bigger picture.

CorkBabe33

I have a few friends who work in Banks. They are all going out with work for Christmas and the staff are paying all the costs themselves - nothing being paid by the Bank and, as someone else has said earlier in this thread, management have actually discouraged the staff from having a night out....
The Bank relating to the first post in this thread seems to be an exception.
There are 10 pages in this thread so far but I haven't seen anyone mentioning the fact that these Christmas parties are giving much needed business to their local restaurants / hotels / pubs who are all struggling to survive at the moment. How is that a bad thing ????

gigino

jpm4 wrote: »

Share prices go down as well as up am afraid, and many bank staff would have significant savings invested in those same shares which were wiped out.

yea but they were not relying on them for their pension unlike some small people. And bank staff still are going to their parties and have their golden pensions and job security - unlike many of the "little people" who they exploited. Course its the people at the top of the banks I blame the most. Some of them are reduced to only 450k a year. awwwww.
Still, its the top of the public service who are most to blame for the crisis : the regulator, central bank and government. That was their job, they c***** up. Yet them buccos did not suffer either. They still even have their golden pensions. To borrow Clarksons phrase " they should be shot"

gigino

CorkBabe33 wrote: »

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There are 10 pages in this thread so far but I haven't seen anyone mentioning the fact that these Christmas parties are giving much needed business to their local restaurants / hotels / pubs who are all struggling to survive at the moment. How is that a bad thing ????

Thats like defending public service pay here being double what it is in the UK by saying it gives employment.
The top chiefs in the Nazi party gave employment in restaurants and hotels and bars too, but that does not make it right.

daddydick

gigino wrote: »

yea but they were not relying on them for their pension unlike some small people. And bank staff still are going to their parties and have their golden pensions and job security - unlike many of the "little people" who they exploited. Course its the people at the top of the banks I blame the most. Some of them are reduced to only 450k a year. awwwww.
Still, its the top of the public service who are most to blame for the crisis : the regulator, central bank and government. That was their job, they c***** up. Yet them buccos did not suffer either. They still even have their golden pensions. To borrow Clarksons phrase " they should be shot"

Like some other posters I spent a few summers working as a cashier in one of the big banks and I learned an awful lot during my time there.

I would like to ask this poster how the hell an ordinary bank cashier will have "golden pensions" and "job security". Perhaps you havnt heard of AIB's plans to shed a couple of thousand jobs?? These are the ordinary people who are being made redundant....furthermore there salary would have been partly made up of bank shares over the last 10 years....these have now been completely wiped out. Pension??? Elaborate how prdinary bank cashiers are entitled to "golden pensions". What defines a "golden" pension anyway? Stop talking through your @rse.

The frontline workers should not be subject to this sort of sh1t from ignorant attitudes like the one of this poster and the man in the original post. Bank cashiers are decent hard-working people and do not deserve this [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p[/EMAIL].

moco

melekalikimaka wrote: »

well i dont think people on social welfare should get double for holidays... but I accept it as something that happens... and its something that is accepted, get over it

People on social welfare get double for holidays??

Amirani

seeing_ie wrote: »

In two minds about this.

While frontline, customer facing staff had no responsibility for what went on, they were certainly aware of what was going on.

Friends in working in banks muttered at the time that if they went to the papers there'd be hell to pay., but wouldn't elaborate.
Nobody went to the papers though.
Understandable.
We don't treat whistleblowers well in this country.

What went on.

This is the only whistleblower of note I'm aware of. Don't think he's Irish, and he hasn't had it easy.

What a load of rubbish. The examples you quoted are non-Irish. Do you seriously think frontline staff knew that a lot of big loans were being used to buy equity in the banks? Or the construction industry growth was unsustainable? Joke of a post.

Amirani

moco wrote: »

People on social welfare get double for holidays??

Not any more.