Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

Gumbi

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Gumbi wrote: »

Less OK than if it were a rat.

But that's just hypocrisy is it not?

This is your assertion isn't it?

No. Yet again, my problem lies with the black and white nature of certain posters in relation to kittens and rats, as opposed to say, scaling it appropriately. Their immediate thoughts (as would mine have been, before properly analysing it) were to consider the kitten's cuteness the primary factor in determining it's importance in the "food-chain".

It is hypocrisy to say one thing while advocating the other. I believe I made a fair assertion in that said posters seem to imply "it's just an animal" for rats, while advocating the wrongness of using kittens in a similar situation.

LH Pathe

Cat or rat or fûcking gnat; there's something suspect about the way he went about it.

Gumbi

LH Pathe wrote: »

Cat or rat or fûcking gnat; there's something suspect about the way he went about it.

Most probably so. But that's not what we're discussing I truly abhor these sorts of videos.

Gumbi

Anyways, leaba for me. Buíochas le Dia go bhfuil mo chuid laethanta saoire agam faoi láthair Oíche mhaith!

LH Pathe

Yup.. I don't like the concept of a snake being unleashed on a veritable unwitting little girl, in the bedroom then uploaded to the world particularly appealing either.

Chuck Stone

Gumbi wrote: »

Anyways, leaba for me.

Please do not hurt any kittens.

Goodnight.

Gumbi

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Gumbi wrote: »

Anyways, leaba for me.

Please do not hurt any kittens.

Goodnight.

I'll try not to.

BunShopVoyeur

Gumbi wrote: »

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Gumbi wrote: »

So many hypocrites in this thread.

Because us who are annoyed by some fuckhead killing an animal for kicks and uploading it to the web for attention are also killing animals for fun and putting it on youtube?

Stop embarrassing yourself and go buy a dictionary.

Huh? My point is perfectly valid, seeing as people posting videos of snakes eating live rats is seen as generally appropriate, whereas that of a kitten is regarded as seen as inhumane.

Old argument. The guy has killed a person now aswell.

Have a little read there.

vibe666

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Old argument. The guy has killed a person now aswell.

Have a little read there.

they already know that (if you'd read the last page or so), i think it's more of a philosophical discussion now.

BunShopVoyeur

vibe666 wrote: »

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

Old argument. The guy has killed a person now aswell.

Have a little read there.

they already know that (if you'd read the last page or so), i think it's more of a philosophical discussion now.

Meh, this thread is old. Just skimming it at this stage.

seanmc1980

all you people say this was a "natural thing" to feed his snake take a look at what else your hero did

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153067/Porn-star-Luka-Rocco-Magnotta-warns-hell-victims-wont-animals.html

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

all you people say this was a "natural thing" to feed his snake take a look at what else your hero did

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153067/Porn-star-Luka-Rocco-Magnotta-warns-hell-victims-wont-animals.html

Welcome to the thread. Clearly you've missed A LOT!

seanmc1980

clearly, so you have been heavly involved defending this guys actions? clearly the act is indefencable in the light of it being a mad man getting his kicks??

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

clearly, so you have been heavly involved defending this guys actions?

Have I? Jesus I don't remember that, can you dig out some quotes for me there to jog my memory?

seanmc1980

smash wrote: »

Have I? Jesus I don't remember that, can you dig out some quotes for me there to jog my memory?

Clearly, i can't beacuse your only contributions seems to be smart ass answers and trolling on other peoples post!

anyway back to tocpic, do you feel the guys actions are defensivable in light of the type of person he is/prtrayed to be by the media

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

Clearly, i can't beacuse your only contributions seems to be smart ass answers and trolling on other peoples post!

Well that's not true.

seanmc1980 wrote: »

anyway back to tocpic, do you feel the guys actions are defensivable in light of the type of person he is/prtrayed to be by the media

None of his actions are defensible, to even suggest it or ask the question is absurd!

vibe666

seanmc1980 wrote: »

Clearly, i can't beacuse your only contributions seems to be smart ass answers and trolling on other peoples post!

anyway back to tocpic, do you feel the guys actions are defensivable in light of the type of person he is/prtrayed to be by the media

nobody (as far as i can see) has been defending anything he's done, either before or after it emerged that he killed someone, (some) people have just been pointing out a lot of hypocricy in the perceived differing values in various forms of life based on little more than their level of cuteness. the kitten/snake scenario is more of a philosophical question at this point, not specific to the looney that the thread was originally started about.

seanmc1980

smash wrote: »

Well that's not true.!

Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

Welcome to the thread. Clearly you've missed A LOT!

• 21 minutes ago in After Hours by smash
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Man feeds live kitten to Burmese Python

That sentence reads like the Robert Downy Jr scene at the end of Tropic Thunder



yes the above are CLEARLY 2 very helpful contributions to the debate!!!

smash wrote: »

None of his actions are defensible, to even suggest it or ask the question is absurd!

wow you arragonce hold no bounds! asking weather peoples views that, he was only feeding his snake changed when you read more into the type of person he was changed is certainly not an "absurd" question to ask!

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

yes the above are CLEARLY 2 very helpful contributions to the debate!!!

the posts I replied to, brought nothing to the debate in the first place.

seanmc1980 wrote: »

wow you arragonce hold no bounds! asking weather peoples views that, he was only feeding his snake changed when you read more into the type of person he was changed is certainly not an "absurd" question to ask!

But that's not what you asked!

seanmc1980

When i read the thred first i was thinking " stupid animal lovers, get a grip, feeding a pet a kitten or a rat is the same thing"

but when i saw what he has done since my stomach turned and i think the video is sick, its clearly not a act of feeding his snake but an act of animal cruelty for his own kicks

seanmc1980

smash wrote: »

the posts I replied to, brought nothing to the debate in the first place.


But that's not what you asked!

yes it was, again your arrogance is getting in the way of your eyes again i said:

do you feel the guys actions (feeding a kitten to a snake) are defensivable in light of the type of person he is/prtrayed to be by the media ( the action not being a snake feeding but a sick kick)

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

yes it was, again your arrogance is getting in the way of your eyes again i said:

do you feel the guys actions (feeding a kitten to a snake) are defensivable in light of the type of person he is/prtrayed to be by the media ( the action not being a snake feeding but a sick kick)

Stop adding in bits to your quotes.

You asked "all you people say this was a "natural thing" to feed his snake take a look at what else your hero did" which was a bs post considering his actions are what people have been talking about for a while now, and NOBODY defended him.

Then you made a false allegation of "so you have been heavly involved defending this guys actions? clearly the act is indefencable in the light of it being a mad man getting his kicks??"

stevenmu

So this guy murders somebody, then videos himself f*cking and mutilating the corpse, then posts bits of the corpse to people, and we're still arguing if feeding a kitten to a snake is worse than a rat?

smash

stevenmu wrote: »

So this guy murders somebody, then videos himself f*cking and mutilating the corpse, then posts bits of the corpse to people, and we're still arguing if feeding a kitten to a snake is worse than a rat?

No, no we're not. Go back and read the thread.

a few people have mentioned it, but in general the thread has redirected towards the murder.

seanmc1980

smash wrote: »

Stop adding in bits to your quotes."

i explained the quote not my fault u jumped to conclusion. stop trolling my ****

smash

seanmc1980 wrote: »

i explained the quote not my fault u jumped to conclusion. stop trolling my ****

You tried to correct it, well after posting it.

Paparazzo

stevenmu wrote: »

So this guy murders somebody, then videos himself f*cking and mutilating the corpse, then posts bits of the corpse to people, and we're still arguing if feeding a kitten to a snake is worse than a rat?

And he could have killed some other people too. The guy is a complete nutbag. Apparently he uploaded videos of putting kittens in a vacuum bag too

Posted last year:

El Horseboxo wrote: »

People that torture animals like this are usually the ones that progress to peeping toms, rape and serial killing. Well so criminal minds has thought me.

Medal on it's way to El Horseboxo!

vibe666

maybe he only enticed that guy into his apartment and killed him, mutilated, dismembered and raped his corpse because the guy had misquoted him on the internet?

seanmc1980

smash wrote: »

You tried to correct it, well after posting it.

no i didn't i expalined it to you,as you misinterpreted it, i made no attempt to change the post, again stop trolling my ****


well did nayone else imitally think it was no biggy till the found out the guys was a murder who actually posted the murder online!
it on some website called best gore, i couldn't bring myself to watch it though,

seanmc1980

Paparazzo wrote: »

And he could have killed some other people too. The guy is a complete nutbag. Apparently he uploaded videos of putting kittens in a vacuum bag too

Posted last year:

Medal on it's way to El Horseboxo!

lol El herseboxo predicted the **** out of that!!

vibe666

Paparazzo wrote: »

Posted last year:

Medal on it's way to El Horseboxo!

attached for your pleasure.

Paparazzo

vibe666 wrote: »

maybe he only enticed that guy into his apartment and killed him, mutilated, dismembered and raped his corpse because the guy had misquoted him on the internet?

If you have a problem with him killing a guy, cutting off his arms legs and head, shagging the torso, cutting chunks out of the body and eating them, ramming a bottle up the arse of the torso, wánking himself off with the dismembered arm, filming all this and uploading it on the net and mailing the body parts around the country, but think it's ok to eat a cheese burger in mcdonalds, you're a hypocrite.

vibe666

Paparazzo wrote: »

If you have a problem with him killing a guy, cutting off his arms legs and head, shagging the torso, cutting chunks out of the body and eating them, ramming a bottle up the arse of the torso, wánking himself off with the dismembered arm, filming all this and uploading it on the net and mailing the body parts around the country, but think it's ok to eat a cheese burger in mcdonalds, you're a hypocrite.

ah but sure aren't we ALL hypocrites. :pac:

cruais

Paparazzo wrote: »

If you have a problem with him killing a guy, cutting off his arms legs and head, shagging the torso, cutting chunks out of the body and eating them, ramming a bottle up the arse of the torso, wánking himself off with the dismembered arm, filming all this and uploading it on the net and mailing the body parts around the country, but think it's ok to eat a cheese burger in mcdonalds, you're a hypocrite.

Slight difference between eating a cheeseburger and commiting a psycho act! I have heard it all now! Obviously you think that a non vegetarian is on the same level as the nut

Gumbi

Regardless of whether the guy killed someone is irrelevant. I revived this by calling many of the posters hypocrites in light of their posts. They abhorred the man's actions, as he took pleasure in seeing a kitten suffer. Perfectly reasonable. My problem, as I am explaining now the third or fourth time, is the fact that their discomfort is only evident when a kitten is involved. In my eyes this is hypocrisy (as I've already explained).

Gumbi

cruais wrote: »

Paparazzo wrote: »

If you have a problem with him killing a guy, cutting off his arms legs and head, shagging the torso, cutting chunks out of the body and eating them, ramming a bottle up the arse of the torso, wánking himself off with the dismembered arm, filming all this and uploading it on the net and mailing the body parts around the country, but think it's ok to eat a cheese burger in mcdonalds, you're a hypocrite.

Slight difference between eating a cheeseburger and commiting a psycho act! I have heard it all now! Obviously you think that a non vegetarian is on the same level as the nut

Well, in a sense, that's what we've been discussing. I don't think it's hypocrisy. It depends upon one's reasoning behind the matter. It is hypocrisy if my reasoning is "sure it's only an animal" (as posters have applied to the rat, but not the kitten - my original problem).

af_thefragile

Rule zero: dont't **** with cats, we'll get you.

stevenmu

Gumbi wrote: »

Regardless of whether the guy killed someone is irrelevant. I revived this by calling many of the posters hypocrites in light of their posts. They abhorred the man's actions, as he took pleasure in seeing a kitten suffer. Perfectly reasonable. My problem, as I am explaining now the third or fourth time, is the fact that their discomfort is only evident when a kitten is involved. In my eyes this is hypocrisy (as I've already explained).

So in short, you think that people shouldn't like kittens?

Paparazzo

Gumbi wrote: »

Well, in a sense, that's what we've been discussing. I don't think it's hypocrisy. It depends upon one's reasoning behind the matter. It is hypocrisy if my reasoning is "sure it's only an animal" (as posters have applies to the rat, but not the kitten - my original problem).

We know what you're saying, it's just bollocks.

Gumbi

stevenmu wrote: »

So in short, you think that people shouldn't like kittens?

In no way, shape, or form, does that resemble the conclusion of my say so far. Why would you ask that question?

Gumbi

Paparazzo wrote: »

We know what you're saying, it's just bollocks.

Hmmm, I don't think you do.

vibe666

i actually think it's a valid point, but before i go any further, i'd like to point out that i'm an animal lover, i've got 2 cats now that i love dearly and i've grown up with cats and dogs as well as plenty of other animals my whole life and i'd never feed any pet to any other pet.

i've also got 2 aquariums and whenever any fish have died, my wife keeps telling me to just feed the dead fish to our cats, but i wouldn't even do that.

if i ever saw someone feeding a kitten to a snake i'd take great pleasure in beating them to a bloody pulp for it, yet i wouldn't feel the same about a rat. fair enough if the same scenario had played out with him videoing a rat instead of a kitten being fed to his snake, i know i wouldn't feel the same revulsion as i do at the idea of it happening to a kitten and in all likelyhood i wouldn't be all that bothered at all, other than still thinking he was a bit of a freak, but why is that?

plenty of people keep rats as pets, and mice and stick insects and spiders and lizards and all sorts of things that i'm sure they care deeply about and many of them feed live insects to their pets which can be freely bought in pet shops specifically for the purpose so why do we feel so different about kittens?

what are the criteria that we base the value of a specific life on and why is it that the life of a cute kitten is worth more than a rat?

don't get me wrong, i'm not a vegetarian by any means, in fact i've killed and eaten fish, rabbits and pheasants in the past growing up and i LOVE meat and would never give it up. i'm never happier with food than I am with a big piece of animal meat on my plate and anything else is just there for decoration as far as i'm concerned.

so why do we feel so much revulsion at a kitten being fed to a snake versus a rat? is it purely cuteness related, or because of our (at least some of us) close relationship with cats? it's not size related because nobody cares overly much about all the dead badgers you see at the side of the road and they're bigger than a cat.

i've actually found since moving to ireland about 12 years ago that a lot of irish people seem to be in general much less likely to be cat lovers than in the UK and a lot of people (at least in the country) would only keep cats as outside pets if at all, to the point where they seem to find us (myself and my wife) weird for keeping cats inside.

so does anyone have a proper rational argument to support our intense feelings towards the death of a kitten versus that of a rat under the same circumstances?

Gumbi

vibe666 wrote: »

i actually think it's a valid point, but before i go any further, i'd like to point out that i'm an animal lover, i've got 2 cats now that i love dearly and i've grown up with cats and dogs as well as plenty of other animals my whole life and i'd never feed any pet to any other pet.

i've also got 2 aquariums and whenever any fish have died, my wife keeps telling me to just feed the dead fish to our cats, but i wouldn't even do that.

if i ever saw someone feeding a kitten to a snake i'd take great pleasure in beating them to a bloody pulp for it, yet i wouldn't feel the same about a rat. fair enough if the same scenario had played out with him videoing a rat instead of a kitten being fed to his snake, i know i wouldn't feel the same revulsion as i do at the idea of it happening to a kitten and in all likelyhood i wouldn't be all that bothered at all, other than still thinking he was a bit of a freak, but why is that?

plenty of people keep rats as pets, and mice and stick insects and spiders and lizards and all sorts of things that i'm sure they care deeply about and many of them feed live insects to their pets which can be freely bought in pet shops specifically for the purpose so why do we feel so different about kittens?

what are the criteria that we base the value of a specific life on and why is it that the life of a cute kitten is worth more than a rat?

don't get me wrong, i'm not a vegetarian by any means, in fact i've killed and eaten fish, rabbits and pheasants in the past growing up and i LOVE meat and would never give it up. i'm never happier with food than I am with a big piece of animal meat on my plate and anything else is just there for decoration as far as i'm concerned.

so why do we feel so much revulsion at a kitten being fed to a snake versus a rat? is it purely cuteness related, or because of our (at least some of us) close relationship with cats? it's not size related because nobody cares overly much about all the dead badgers you see at the side of the road and they're bigger than a cat.

i've actually found since moving to ireland about 12 years ago that a lot of irish people seem to be in general much less likely to be cat lovers than in the UK and a lot of people (at least in the country) would only keep cats as outside pets if at all, to the point where they seem to find us (myself and my wife) weird for keeping cats inside.

so does anyone have a proper rational argument to support our intense feelings towards the death of a kitten versus that of a rat under the same circumstances?

I haven't heard of any I find acceptable. In any case, I find it morally inconsistent and hypocritical to do so, upon which I've elaborated above.

Why, though, are kittens considered more "valuable" in such a situation by society in general? It could be a variety of reasons. Humans have a closer relationship to cats in general. Kittens are cute, and this is an ideal that society finds attractive.

Btw, what do you find to be a valid point?

Raiser

Paparazzo wrote: »

We know what you're saying, it's just bollocks.

@ Gumbi - How about an Amoeba wearing a teeny weeny kitten collar?

Gumbi

Raiser wrote: »

Paparazzo wrote: »

We know what you're saying, it's just bollocks.

@ Gumbi - How about an Amoeba wearing a teeny weeny kitten collar?

In what context?

Doc Ruby

Gumbi wrote: »

Why, though, are kittens considered more "valuable" in such a situation by society in general?

Same reason the committee for the protection of the Australian Blobfish never took off, and women like jewels. Pretty! You may as well be asking why art sells.

Raiser

Gumbi wrote: »

In what context?

Whoa - No way, you aint going to reel me in and make me an accessory to your odd ideologically illogical, semantically arcane, pseudo-philosophical, dissect the minutiae odyssey.......

- You've far too much access to a keyboard TBH

FullRetard

Paparazzo wrote: »

We know what you're saying, it's just bollocks.

cartell_best

The first I heard about this was today in a tabloid and when I saw that kitten being choked by that python I couldn't believe it. WTF like! Thank God I don't have the mind set to even comprehend what that freak of nature was thinking of to do that. To read the entire article as to his suspected activities goes way way beyond disbelief. But one thing is, not just the tabloids state his gay/bisexual history!

When have we EVER read or saw an article where "a straight man raped and killed"?? or do people just take it for granted. At this stage in my life I'm like WTF. The sicko did something most people couldn't even entertain in their worst nightmares and then all the publicity surrounded the freaks activities are labelled. Castration and the death penalty is too good for inherently evil people like that but why the added media attention of emphasising "gay/bisexuality"

Gumbi

Raiser wrote: »

Gumbi wrote: »

In what context?

Whoa - No way, you aint going to reel me in and make me an accessory to your odd ideologically illogical, semantically arcane, pseudo-philosophical, dissect the minutiae odyssey.......

- You've far too much access to a keyboard TBH

How, then, do you expect me to answer the question?