UFC 140 - Jones vs. Machida - 10th Dec. Spoilers inside

Zero-Cool

Class card, really looking forward to this. Always a joy to watch Bones fight (when he's not crawling around on all 4's) and can't see him losing this one really. Mir seems to be in UFC limbo fighting Nog again and don't have a clue who he would fight next if he wins. Tito really shouldn't have much problems with lil Nog.

Main card

• Light Heavyweight Championship bout: Jon Jones (c) vs. Lyoto Machida[1]
• Heavyweight bout: Frank Mir vs. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira[1]
• Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Antônio Rogério Nogueira[1]
• Welterweight bout: Claude Patrick vs. Brian Ebersole[1]
• Featherweight bout: Mark Hominick vs. Chan Sung Jung[1]

Preliminary card (ION)

• Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Igor Pokrajac[1]
• Middleweight bout: Jared Hamman vs. Constantinos Philippou[1]
• Lightweight bout: John Makdessi vs. Dennis Hallman[1]
• Bantamweight bout: Yves Jabouin vs. Walel Watson[1]

Preliminary card

• Lightweight bout: Mark Bocek vs. Nik Lentz[1]
• Welterweight bout: Rich Attonito vs. Jake Hecht[1]
• Lightweight bout: Mitch Clarke vs. John Cholish[1]

Countdown Show pt.1 & 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaON2FS0dDU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuIcl3vDRLw

Tubbs4

Looking forward to jones fight and juan. Hope both win easily.
The Mir we see if he looked so good in the last fight with Nog because Nog was sick. Tito don't like him but he should be able to win.

El Guapo!

Should be a good night of fights. I can't see Jones losing this one but ya never know -Machida might break out the Segal kick again!

Looking forward to seeing Hominick in action again. And also seeing Jake Hecht make his UFC debut!

Ush1

Good description of Mir, limbo is exactly where I have him.

Want to see Jones just in a bad spot at least, not even beaten, just even if Machida can take him down or clip him that would be enough.

Hominick vs Korean Zombie should be a cracker, can't wait for it.

chopperbyrne

Jones/Machida has the potential to be a very boring fight. Generally Jones likes to keep people at bay with his reach and counter punch/kick and Machida was at his best when he stayed on the outside, circling and countering when his opponent got frustrated.

Of anyone currently in the UFC I think Machida has the best chance against Jones if he sticks to a tactic and doesn't try to engage Jones.

johnny_adidas

limbo is a perfect description for mir, they basically couldve used the same video from mir's last countdown appearance. Frank Mir was champion, frank mir crashes, frank returns....

would like to see nog win this and fancy jones for the 2nd round finish

jayteecork

I think Lyoto will outsmart/bore Jones.
Also Lyoto probably has the best takedown defence in the division, I don't recall him ever been taken down.

In fact I threw a quid on a Lyoto/Nog trio. 20/1!!

go Brasil!

Zero-Cool

I'm a Mir fanboy so mad to see him win and go on a title run but the realistic side of me says ya right :rolleyes:. True, Bones and Machida could be an awful bore fest or....it could be an awesome display of front face kicks and karate chops!!!

TBH i'm most looking forward to the inevitable Seagull interview. Always gold!

Roar

Looking forward to seeing Jake fight, hope it all works out for him.

The Bored One

Its going to be interesting seeing who can make use of their game plan better. If they go the patient chess match route, I think Jones will get the nod in a decision. I think that even if Lyoto tags him a good bit, Jones style will look more aggressive regardless of whose being more effective.
If Jones gets cocky and decideds its safe for him to play around and experiment the way he has in previous fights, I think Lyoto will really punish him for it though.

Logical Fallacy

jayteecork wrote: »

I think Lyoto will outsmart/bore Jones.
Also Lyoto probably has the best takedown defence in the division, I don't recall him ever been taken down.

In fact I threw a quid on a Lyoto/Nog trio. 20/1!!

go Brasil!

Not too many people get takedowns the way Jones does. He has a habit of just bodily throwing people to the ground and it works because of his strength and leverage.

dave1982

I thought all UFC was meant to be on FX from now on?

Professey Chin

dave1982 wrote: »

I thought all UFC was meant to be on FX from now on?

ESPN deal runs out next year. The TUF final was on FX cause TUF wasnt part of the contract

JoeyJJ

Also there will be cards on Fox main and other fox channels next year that need a home this side of the atlantic, Setanta landed the last card. Hope FX pick these up.

Unfortunitely I think Jones is going to win this one, unless Machida somehow KO's him or manages to get a high mount and blasts him.

Roar

Slightly unrelated, has anyone managed to find a way to watch the facebook prelims on iPhone?

Xlami

Disappointed to see McDonald pull out. Yeah limbo is the perfect way to describe Mir. I don't know why he's so unpopular with so many people. I don't particularly like to watch him fight but I think he seems like a sound bloke. In his last two victories he's done nothing to increase his stock value and I still think Lesnar, Carwin, Reem, JDS, Bigfoot, Cormier and Cain would crush him. If he beats Nog only fights against one of those 7 would make sense and I can't see him beating any of them. So basically I see the remainder of his career being a continuous loop of getting so far up the division, then loosing until he retires.

MrStuffins

Xlami wrote: »

Disappointed to see McDonald pull out. Yeah limbo is the perfect way to describe Mir. I don't know why he's so unpopular with so many people.

I don't dislike the guy but he DOES have that cocky jock douche attitude about him! He probably doesn't mean it and it's probably not his fault but it comes across that way!

CageWager

I hope I'm wrong but I think the main event has the potential to be a serious 5 round snoozer.. I think they'll both prove to be better at avoiding strikes than landing strikes. I think Machida will do an excellent job of keeping distance but will not be able to mount any meaningful offence on Jones. Jones will become frustrated but will do just about enough to win every round.

I'll repost this if Lyoto flying front kick KO's Jones to win the title:D

horsemeat

putting my money where my mouth is and throwing a tenner on Machida to win via KO. you read it here first lads. jones will be shown up for the chancer he is.

Mellor

horsemeat wrote: »

putting my money where my mouth is and throwing a tenner on Machida to win via KO. you read it here first lads. jones will be shown up for the chancer he is.

Bets likes this are the reason i'm getting evens on Jones via TKO
Thanks.

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

putting my money where my mouth is and throwing a tenner on Machida to win via KO. you read it here first lads. jones will be shown up for the chancer he is.

Mellor wrote: »

Bets likes this are the reason i'm getting evens on Jones via TKO
Thanks.

He's not really betting on Machida. He's trolling! He's tried and failed here a coupld of times before (Saying Hendo v Shogun was a terrible fight) and i've seen him in action over in the Boxing forum.

Machida is definitely in with more than a slim chance here though. But my money's going on Bones!

I said I'll never bet against Jones after Shogun so there's no way I'm doing it again. hope i'm not wrong

horsemeat

MrStuffins wrote: »

He's not really betting on Machida. He's trolling! He's tried and failed here a coupld of times before (Saying Hendo v Shogun was a terrible fight) and i've seen him in action over in the Boxing forum.

Absolutely Ridiculous post.

please don't make representations on my part. I never said shogun and hendo was a bad fight, i said it was ok, certainly not the all time classic people make it out to be. I didn't jamming their nuts into my mouth as soon as the fight ended like you and 95 % of the other posters here did. it was two washed up, gassed fighters slugging it out, certainly not a masterous display of martial arts of any kind. Have you watched the fight again. How about watching it without the commentary on, I can assure you it's not very exciting when Joe rogan isn't whispering propaganda into your ear. Don't accuse someone of trolling just cause they don't agree with your opinion on something.

And yes I am betting on Machida, I think he's the only one in the division with a modicum of hope against Jones. I do genuinely think he can win. Again, Don't accuse someone of trolling just cause they don't agree with your opinion on something.

As regards the boxing forum, it's a bit of a joke of a forum in general. I make a couple of particularly pro mayweather comments and this has me tarred as a trouble maker. Get a grip on yourself. Look anywhere on the internet and you'll find hundreds of thousands more people who are just as pro mayweather as I am. 90 % of the posters on boxing are either pro floyd/pro pacman and when you put your alliance with one gobshites start jumping down your throat accusing you of being a shill a troll and not a true boxing fan.

This carry on rarely goes on here but is certainly showing its head of late with you and your comments - just cause I don't agree with the Dana White official party line on everything doesn't mean my sentiments aren't legitimate.It's quite clear you live and hang off every single word Dana White says and anything to the contrary is blasphemy. You need to wake up and start seeing the real world. Just cause Dana says it, doesn't mean it's true. Again, Don't accuse someone of trolling just cause they don't agree with your opinion on something.

Xlami

horsemeat wrote: »

Absolutely Ridiculous post.


This carry on rarely goes on here but is certainly showing its head of late with you and your comments - just cause I don't agree with the Dana White official party line on everything doesn't mean my sentiments aren't legitimate.It's quite clear you live and hang off every single word Dana White says and anything to the contrary is blasphemy. You need to wake up and start seeing the real world. Just cause Dana says it, doesn't mean it's true. Again, Don't accuse someone of trolling just cause they don't agree with your opinion on something.

Sorry but I can't stand these kind of claims. There is a school of thought out there that oh I don't wanna be seen as uneducated in the sport or a "Zuffa Zombie" so I'm gonna rubbish everything that comes out of DW's mouth. Dana is a polarizing character and I think even his biggest cynics can't deny how much he's done for the sport. At the same time he's an egomaniac and does not like fighters who don't tow the UFC line. I don't understand why people go mental at him for promoting the Hendo-Shogun fight or bad mouthing Fedor at the time. He's a promoter, just doing his job.

horsemeat

Xlami wrote: »

Sorry but I can't stand these kind of claims. There is a school of thought out there that oh I don't wanna be seen as uneducated in the sport or a "Zuffa Zombie" so I'm gonna rubbish everything that comes out of DW's mouth. Dana is a polarizing character and I think even his biggest cynics can't deny how much he's done for the sport. At the same time he's an egomaniac and does not like fighters who don't tow the UFC line. I don't understand why people go mental at him for promoting the Hendo-Shogun fight or bad mouthing Fedor at the time. He's a promoter, just doing his job.

Not my point.

My point was I was accused of being a troll just because I didn't agree with Dana's opinion.

I'm just stating that just cause you don't agree with the official UFC stance doesn't mean you're a troublemaker. It's just an alternative opinion. Take the miguel torres thing. I think it was a bit rash for him to be cut, Paul Daley too. But you'll get people like MrStuffins lashing me out of it saying i'm a liar and a troll and that there's no possible way my posts could be genuine. Countless people believe Machida is the only one with a chance against Jones, it's not like I posted something ridiculous saying ''I'm putting 200 euros on a double of Tito Ortiz to beat Nog via gogoplata, and frank mir to beat big nog via steven segal kick''. I posted a commonly held opinion and was accused of acting the bollox.

Tbh I thought Hendo-Shogun was a good fight but the best fight that weekend was Alvarez-Chandler.

The Bored One

I thought Shogun vs Hendo was entertaining, but I wouldn't really rank it up as a classic. I couldn't help but wonder while watching it how much more entertaining it would be if both fighters were actually fully conditioned to go those five rounds. I can't really fault Henderson for that, time does have to catch up with people at some point. But Shogun hasn't come into any of his recent fights looking in prime physical condition. Maybe the fact that he was always naturally athletic and engeretic is starting to fade but he hasn't adjusted his training to compensate.
Either way, I just would have enjoyed it more if they were in better condition.

El Guapo!

For me the Shogun - Hendo fight was one of the best of the year so far.
Fair enough both of hose guys aren't in their prime and their conditioning wasn't 100% but that's not the point. It was 2 fighters going at it hell for leather and "leaving it all in the cage".
That's what it's all about in my opinion. It was an excellent fight and there was no loser coming out of that fight.
People complain all the time that a fight was boring cause it was a grappling match and there was no blood and guts.....and then when they go in and slug it out for 5 edge of your seat rounds, they still complain that they were washed up, and their conditioning wasn't up to their standards. No pleasing some people.

CageWager

horsemeat wrote: »

putting my money where my mouth is and throwing a tenner on Machida to win via KO. you read it here first lads.

This part is fine, it's an opinion and I agree with you that of all the contenders in the division, Machida has a chance (albeit slim) to KO Jones. Fair comment.

horsemeat wrote: »

jones will be shown up for the chancer he is.

This part, however, is blatently looking for a reaction from other posters. How is JJ a "chancer"? He's destroyed everyone he's fought, stopped his last 5 fights by either sub or TKO... It's posts like this that make people think your trolling.

Tubbs4

I say dennis hallman be out if he loses this fight. Missed weight and showing he sack last fight.
Dana might get to cut another fighter.
Hope korean zombie wins and gets a title shot.

MrStuffins

CageWager wrote: »

This part, however, is blatently looking for a reaction from other posters. How is JJ a "chancer"? He's destroyed everyone he's fought, stopped his last 5 fights by either sub or TKO... It's posts like this that make people think your trolling.

Exactly.

Accusing Jones of being a "chancer" is just sillyness. Normally on this forum we have great discussions, discussions based in reality and peoples' knowledge of the sport.

We generally don't get the fanboyism over here (we had a bit of reverse fanboyism when Brock started) the way some of the posters in the Boxing forum like to cling onto the likes of Mayweather, normally the guys who have no idea of the sport and just like to be in the "I told you so" brigade.

Saying that there are loads of people who would be stupidly pro-Mayweather too proves nothing. Its like when my sister tries to tell me The X Factor is the best show on TV because millions and millions of people watch it.

I agree Machida has a chance to beat him. I think Jones will win. But calling Jones a "chancer" is ridiculous! I'm not even sure what you mean by it, it makes no sense literally. So I conclude you were looking for a negative reaction and were therefore trolling.

unknown13

Got to go for Jones here. Both fighters are unorthodox but Jones's style will cause Machida a rake load of problems. Can see Jones winning all the rounds before stopping him in either the 4th or 5th round.

I'm not on the Jones bandwagon but there is fighters that would give him a closer fight than Machida.

horsemeat

MrStuffins wrote: »

Exactly.

Accusing Jones of being a "chancer" is just sillyness. Normally on this forum we have great discussions, discussions based in reality and peoples' knowledge of the sport.

We generally don't get the fanboyism over here (we had a bit of reverse fanboyism when Brock started) the way some of the posters in the Boxing forum like to cling onto the likes of Mayweather, normally the guys who have no idea of the sport and just like to be in the "I told you so" brigade.

Saying that there are loads of people who would be stupidly pro-Mayweather too proves nothing. Its like when my sister tries to tell me The X Factor is the best show on TV because millions and millions of people watch it.

I agree Machida has a chance to beat him. I think Jones will win. But calling Jones a "chancer" is ridiculous! I'm not even sure what you mean by it, it makes no sense literally. So I conclude you were looking for a negative reaction and were therefore trolling.

another idiotic post from you, becoming a bit of a habit. i've been watching MMA for over 11 years so please don't tell me ''you don't have a clue about MMA''. It's this tripe coming out of posters that brings down the standard on this forum.


I didn't say there's anyone stupidly pro mayweather so please don't put words in my mouth or extrapolate information from my sentences; I said as soon as you admit to liking him over other fighters people start abusing you calling you a troll a shill an idiot who knows nothing etc. All mayweather fans are seemingly tarred with the same brush. I will admit to having a liking for him, but no more so than anyone here would have a liking for a particular mma fighter. I also particularly like overeem, and anderson silva, does that mean i'm trolling now?

Jones has been extremely lucky in who he has fought. twelve handy fights, then he takes on an overrated bader, a completely out of shape and over the hill shogun, and a rampage jackson who is without a doubt nothing but a shadow of his former self. He hasn't had one legitimate challenge. Easy to rack up wins and a strap when you're fighting has beens, dead beats, and people who can't wait to get out of the cage so they can cash their cheque.
Machida is probably the first fighter Jon Jones will face who is a genuine threat to him (how much of a threat is the area you seem to have a problem with)

You're probably one of those people as well who thought Cain Velasquez would never be beaten, that ''The Machida Era'' was going to last until 2015, that when Shogun beat Machida that the lightheavyweight title had finally reached its rightful owner and that Lesnar beating Carwin proved he was the greatest heavyweight of all time. (Seeing the pattern here Mr Stuffins???Fighters who were all built up to be unstoppable, unbeatable, the GOATs etc etc etc.... Also take note of whose name has also started being mentioned in these types of memes - ie Jon Jones)

Come off it, take your head out of the bushes. No one is untouchable in this sport, so to start saying it's ridiculous that Jon Jones could be found out is idiotic.

There's only two people in all of combat sports who we can state are fully deserving of the phrases ''OMG he's unreal, no one stands a chance against him, to say anything to the contrary is foolish''. Those two people are probably Anderson Silva, and Floyd Mayweather. Jon Jones hasn't earned the right to be called unstoppable/undefeatable.

My saline point is:like velasquez, lesnar, machida,shogun and countless others, jon bones could very easily be picked apart saturday night and shown up to be an overhyped and overrated fighter. to argue otherwise based on his record is actually quite silly. no one knows how good some is until they've actually been challenged.

MrStuffins

For a start, calling me a "silly girl" is obviously trolling :rolleyes:

horsemeat wrote: »

another idiotic post from you, becoming a bit of a habit. i've been watching MMA for over 11 years so please don't tell me ''you don't have a clue about MMA''. It's this tripe coming out of posters that brings down the standard on this forum.

I never said you hadn't a clue about MMA! Maybe you should learn how to use quotes?

I didn't say there's anyone stupidly pro mayweather so please don't put words in my mouth or extrapolate information from my sentences; I said as soon as you admit to liking him over other fighters people start abusing you calling you a troll a shill an idiot who knows nothing etc. All mayweather fans are seemingly tarred with the same brush. I will admit to having a liking for him, but no more so than anyone here would have a liking for a particular mma fighter. I also particularly like overeem, and anderson silva, does that mean i'm trolling now?

No. I couldn't have made it any clearer if I tried. I never said you were trolling for liking a fighter. But my problem was never you saying anything positive about a fighter, you called Jones a "chancer". it was a silly statement.

Jones has been extremely lucky in who he has fought. twelve handy fights, then he takes on an overrated bader, a completely out of shape and over the hill shogun, and a rampage jackson who is without a doubt nothing but a shadow of his former self. He hasn't had one legitimate challenge. Easy to rack up wins and a strap when you're fighting has beens, dead beats, and people who can't wait to get out of the cage so they can cash their cheque.
Machida is probably the first fighter Jon Jones will face who is a genuine threat to him (how much of a threat is the area you seem to have a problem with)

Lol! The fights were handy because he was a level or 2 above the guys he was fighting. simple.

You're probably one of those people as well who thought Cain Velasquez would never be beaten, that ''The Machida Era'' was going to last until 2015, that when Shogun beat Machida that the lightheavyweight title had finally reached its rightful owner and that Lesnar beating Carwin proved he was the greatest heavyweight of all time. (Seeing the pattern here Mr Stuffins???Fighters who were all built up to be unstoppable, unbeatable, the GOATs etc etc etc.... Also take note of whose name has also started being mentioned in these types of memes - ie Jon Jones)

Hahaha! What are you on about? You say i'm PROBABLY one of those people and then try to attribute the trait to me. What are you even talking about at this point?

Come off it, take your head out of the bushes. No one is untouchable in this sport, so to start saying it's ridiculous that Jon Jones could be found out is idiotic.

I agree. That would be idiotic. And if someone was to say "Jon Jones could be beaten by Machida" I would say I agree. I've already said as much.

But that's not what yoy've said is it?

There's only two people in all of combat sports who we can state are fully deserving of the phrases ''OMG he's unreal, no one stands a chance against him, to say anything to the contrary is foolish''. Those two people are probably Anderson Silva, and Floyd Mayweather. Jon Jones hasn't earned the right to be called unstoppable/undefeatable.

I agree Jones hasn't earned the right to be called unstoppable. Who the hell said he was unstoppable? I certainly didn't! I think you're taking this conversation off into a wild world of it's own and seeing things that nobody has typed.

I'll say it again for possibly the 4th time in this thread. Machida has a more than slim chance of beating Jones. I think Jones will win though.

Also, if you think Silva is "unbeatable" then I suggest you take a look at the Chael Sonnen fight. Pretty much the formula for how the man can be beaten!

horsemeat

MrStuffins wrote: »

For a start, calling me a "silly girl" is obviously trolling :rolleyes:




I never said you hadn't a clue about MMA! Maybe you should learn how to use quotes?



No. I couldn't have made it any clearer if I tried. I never said you were trolling for liking a fighter. But my problem was never you saying anything positive about a fighter, you called Jones a "chancer". it was a silly statement.



Lol! The fights were handy because he was a level or 2 above the guys he was fighting. simple.



Hahaha! What are you on about? You say i'm PROBABLY one of those people and then try to attribute the trait to me. What are you even talking about at this point?



I agree. That would be idiotic. And if someone was to say "Jon Jones could be beaten by Machida" I would say I agree. I've already said as much.

But that's not what yoy've said is it?



I agree Jones hasn't earned the right to be called unstoppable. Who the hell said he was unstoppable? I certainly didn't! I think you're taking this conversation off into a wild world of it's own and seeing things that nobody has typed.

I'll say it again for possibly the 4th time in this thread. Machida has a more than slim chance of beating Jones. I think Jones will win though.

Also, if you think Silva is "unbeatable" then I suggest you take a look at the Chael Sonnen fight. Pretty much the formula for how the man can be beaten!

I called you a silly girl because you have made silly posts. I called you a girl because you're acting like somebody who is up to their gills in oestrogen.

In PM you told me I didn't have a clue about MMA.

Silva had a broken rib in the sonnen fight so tbh it doesn't really count. Also a bit of a misnomer when you're opponent is taking peds. And also pretty much confirms my point that even after being beaten for four rounds by a juiced fighter and with a broken rib he still found a way to win...In my eyes if he couldn't be beaten then it i'd begin to classify him as ''unbeatable''.

I said jon jones was a chancer and would be found out.

You claimed that using the term chancer and saying he would be found out was me trolling.

You've now agreed that Jon Jones could be beaten and then we could bery well be typing saying ''yeah jon jones was found out and overrated''.

So in essence, in a roundabout manner, you've agreed with my original point which seemed to gripe you so much, but when phrased differently you are in full agreement.

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

I called you a silly girl because you have made silly posts. I called you a girl because you're acting like somebody who is up to their gills in oestrogen.

Yeah, it's obviously trolling as I said.

In PM you told me I didn't have a clue about MMA.

No I didn't. Read it again.

Silva had a broken rib in the sonnen fight so tbh it doesn't really count.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't count, lol!!!

Also a bit of a misnomer when you're opponent is taking peds. And also pretty much confirms my point that even after being beaten for four rounds by a juiced fighter and with a broken rib he still found a way to win...In my eyes if he couldn't be beaten then it i'd begin to classify him as ''unbeatable''.

Sonnen was not taking PEDs. I'd go into this more but i'm still laughing over the "doesn't count" comment. That's the funniest thing i've ever read on this board hahaha!

I said jon jones was a chancer and would be found out.

You claimed that using the term chancer and saying he would be found out was me trolling.

I said you saying he was chancer was trolling yes. Not the being found out part.

You've now agreed that Jon Jones could be beaten and then we could bery well be typing saying ''yeah jon jones was found out and overrated''.

I've never said Jones could not be beaten. If you were keeping up with the thread you'd have noticed that on multiple occasions i've said Machida could beat Jones. You are trying to convince yourself that somewhere along the line I said Jones was unbeatable. Show me where I said that and we can talk.

So in essence, in a roundabout manner, you've agreed with my original point which seemed to gripe you so much, but when phrased differently you are in full agreement.

Nope. I think Jones is an awesome fighter. I think Jon Jones is, right now, the undisputed king of the LHW division. I think he is a superior fighter to every LHW in the world at the moment and I think he will beat Lyoto Machida.

Of course, maybe Machida will win. But I do not agree with you about Jones being a "chancer" (whatever that means) and him having easy fights.

You seem to be having trouble understanding what is going on in this thread! Don't worry, you can come back and say "I told you so" tomorrow night after Jones is found out to be a terrible fighter if Machida beats him.

Although i'm guessing that if Jones wins then it will be the fault of Machida being off his game or past it or something! Ah well, some people are just like that I suppose!







Didn't count............... lol!!! :pac::pac::pac:

horsemeat

ok, do you realise how painful a broken rib is?
Do you realise how hard it would be to walk,pivot,run or fight with a broken rib?imagine having someone on top of you blasting that broken rib over and over? it's a wonder silva didn't give up.
Do you realise the physiological implications of having a broken rib? It affects movement, breathing, every single breath is agony.

You've now not only shown yourself to be uneducated on mma, you've also shown yourself to be uneducated on basic physiology, anatomy and their involvement in exercise amonsgt a miriad of other things. Easy know you've never practiced any martial art, or probably any form of exercise other than getting off your couch to take a piss.

Your last post really has shown you up, we can now all see it is you who is the real chancer who has masked themselves well on the forum amongst a litany of knowledgeable posters.

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

ok, do you realise how painful a broken rib is?
Do you realise how hard it would be to walk,pivot,run or fight with a broken rib?imagine having someone on top of you blasting that broken rib over and over? it's a wonder silva didn't give up.
Do you realise the physiological implications of having a broken rib? It affects movement, breathing, every single breath is agony.

You've now not only shown yourself to be uneducated on mma, you've also shown yourself to be uneducated on basic physiology, anatomy and their involvement in exercise amonsgt a miriad of other things. Easy know you've never practiced any martial art, or probably any form of exercise other than getting off your couch to take a piss.

Your last post really has shown you up, we can now all see it is you who is the real chancer who has masked themselves well on the forum amongst a litany of knowledgeable posters.

Great post! You've spent most of the night trying to tell me who I am rather than backing yourself up.

Doesn't count, lol!!! :pac:

CageWager

horsemeat wrote: »

ok, do you realise how painful a broken rib is?
Do you realise how hard it would be to walk,pivot,run or fight with a broken rib?imagine having someone on top of you blasting that broken rib over and over? it's a wonder silva didn't give up.
Do you realise the physiological implications of having a broken rib? It affects movement, breathing, every single breath is agony.

You've now not only shown yourself to be uneducated on mma, you've also shown yourself to be uneducated on basic physiology, anatomy and their involvement in exercise amonsgt a miriad of other things. Easy know you've never practiced any martial art, or probably any form of exercise other than getting off your couch to take a piss.

Your last post really has shown you up, we can now all see it is you who is the real chancer who has masked themselves well on the forum amongst a litany of knowledgeable posters.

Just for the record, since we're so intent on getting facts straight, Anderson Silva didn't fight with broken ribs. Any chance we can get back to discussing the fights now? I'm sick of all this menstrual BS.

This is a quote from Ed Soares from before the fight. Full article-http://www.cagepotato.com/just-how-bad-were-anderson-silvas-ribs-saturday-night/

I took him to the hospital and they X-Rayed each rib and they noticed that it was a bit swollen, but there was no fracture. They said it was bruised ribs, but the way he reacted when they touched it and how tender they were, they said it was in the muscle as well as the bruise. I’m not a doctor, but this is just what they told us. They prescribed some Ibuprofen 800 for him because it was so close to the fight, they couldn’t do any Vicodin.

This is a quote from Silva's BJJ coach Ramon Lemos after the fight. Full article - http://www.nokaut.com/?id=12&lang=e&solo_news=6277

After the first round he [Anderson Silva] said he broke his ribs. He said told me he could not breath because of the rib. I told him to forget the rib and work the movement of legs and he would get the triangle… After the fight he went to the hospital and did an x-ray and the doctor said he did not break it, it was just a crack. Anderson is expected to return in February or March.

cowzerp

Horse meat post on this thread again and your getting a ban-that's an official ban from this thread, next time you call a fellow poster an idiot or Girl or anything trying to offend you will also be tapping out of this forum.

Your comment that jones would be found out as a chancer is laughable, if you said he's not as good as people think that would be fair,
in saying that calling people trolls is against charter too so report posts rather than do this-let's get back on topic and horsemeat don't even reply to this post on this thread as your not welcome too and lucky not to be banned fully

dave1982

Usual "I know more than you about MMA" carry on


Anyway

empacher

coming back onto topic, Anyone think it was interesting when jones said that 'lyoto never fights southpaw' and pointing out his ' tells ' for a back leg kick. makes me wonder how much more ' tells ' he's figured out. Could be the man to counter the counter striker?

on a side not im sure there is a better word the tells but im tired from work so if anyone knows it let me know.

MrStuffins

empacher wrote: »

coming back onto topic, Anyone think it was interesting when jones said that 'lyoto never fights southpaw' and pointing out his ' tells ' for a back leg kick. makes me wonder how much more ' tells ' he's figured out. Could be the man to counter the counter striker?

on a side not im sure there is a better word the tells but im tired from work so if anyone knows it let me know.

I know what ya mean i think. You mean when he "telegraphs" certain moves before he does them?

Zero-Cool

I thought the weigh ins were funny where bones and machida are having their stare down and then bones does that 'i'm gonna look to the side of you just to annoy you' move but machida doesn't get it and thinks the stare down is over and goes to shake his hand. Should be an interesting fight. Both these and mir v nog 'should' be great fights!

The Bored One

Dean09 wrote: »

For me the Shogun - Hendo fight was one of the best of the year so far.
Fair enough both of hose guys aren't in their prime and their conditioning wasn't 100% but that's not the point. It was 2 fighters going at it hell for leather and "leaving it all in the cage".
That's what it's all about in my opinion. It was an excellent fight and there was no loser coming out of that fight.
People complain all the time that a fight was boring cause it was a grappling match and there was no blood and guts.....and then when they go in and slug it out for 5 edge of your seat rounds, they still complain that they were washed up, and their conditioning wasn't up to their standards. No pleasing some people.

I don't recall at any point complaining about grappling being boring...In fact the only fights I dislike are ones where there's no skill on display. Matt Riddle's valiant assault on the air for example.
And as I said, I thought Hendo vs Shogun was entertaining. Just not a classic.
This is all getting rather off topic though.

I think the reason Jones will eventually lose is because he will get too cocky. Someone he doesn't consider a threat will catch him with a lucky shot or slip on a submission because he's not focusing nearly enough on taking out the guy in front of him. This isn't a slur on Jones, GSP lost to Serra, Anderson Silva lost to Ryo Chonan.

With regards Machida being the one to do it, comes down to who's better at being patient and sticking to their game plans IMO.
Patient Jones vs patient Machida, (fairly likely) Jones wins on points because he looks more aggressive.
Impatient Jones vs Patient Machida, Machida has a good chance of scoring points on Jones and possibly a TKO, Jones also has a good chance of a TKO.
Patient Jones vs Impatient Machida, Jones should take this.
Impatient Jones vs Impatient Machida (be suprised if that happened) its a toss up, but gut says Jones.

It might seem like Im not giving Machida much of a chance there, but its more I don't think the judges will give him much of a chance.

Mellor

Lol, whats going on in this thread. Jones is a chancer and Silva had broken ribs. LMFAO

Of course Machida has a chance to beat Jones. Just like Shogun and Rampage did.
Anyone with Machifa's level of striking could could connect once, and thats all it takes. But that doesn't mean anything in terms of rating Jones, the LHW belt or this fight.
As I said else where Jones at evens by TKO is value

Jason McCabe

Mellor wrote: »

Lol, whats going on in this thread. Jones is a chancer and Silva had broken ribs. LMFAO

Of course Machida has a chance to beat Jones. Just like Shogun and Rampage did.
Anyone with Machifa's level of striking could could connect once, and thats all it takes. But that doesn't mean anything in terms of rating Jones, the LHW belt or this fight.
As I said else where Jones at evens by TKO is value

At last sense has arrived

CageWager

Jason McCabe wrote: »

At last sense has arrived

How long do you think it'll last?

The Bored One

Right up until after the main event.
Then get ready for the internet meltdown caused by Lesnar vs Overeem.

dave1982

I think Machida is going under the radar in this fight,people are saying Hendo v Jones who will win.

Machida could surprise us all.Had no problems really until Shogun and lost a close decision to Rampage.Would be stupid to disregard him in this fight.


I can see both Nogs losing tonight.


we could even see a Lesnar Mir III :eek::D:D

CageWager

I wonder if this rumour that Machida is sick is a bit of Ed Soares Gamesmanship.. seems something a camp would keep under wraps at all costs.. maybe they're trying to lure jones into a false sense of security..