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Do Mods infract or Ban other Mods from their Forums
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Because we have to have access to the forums without the mods playing silly buggers with us. This is a "feature" of vB but its a good one imho.
Believe me, the mods are the very first to point out if an admin is acting the bollox. They love to point out such things
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As Des says no..... not that that has stopped one or two mods trying! One Mod (who shall remain nameless) reported a post in his own forum while two others managed to ban each other from their forum while playing silly-buggers with each other and had to come crawling to me to unban them since they couldnt do it themselves....
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Selection Bias.
Ok, here is the actual reason why people think Mods dont get banned as much as regular users: People think that... because its true. Mods do not get banned as much as regular users.
"Errr, Dev, can you explain that cos you seem to be contradicting your post above"
Why certainly disembodied mystery narrator voice, how useful of you to ask.
We pick the mods from the best and most balanced people we can find who are willing to step up. We aqre obviously going to *tend* to pick people who good posters. We will certainly tend to avoid people who have had big blow ups, show problems when under stress or who have a lot of bans/infractions.
Is it any surprise that mods will *tend* to get banned less?
Thats not to say it doesnt happen that a mod might get slack someone else doesnt. Its a human system, if it works 95% of the time I'll take that as a win.
But the point I am making here is that there is a selection bias in the pool of Mods that is going to naturally make them less (and considerably less) likely to breach the rules and get banned.
Just something to consider.
DeV.
ps: I'm really really glad I got to post this before Seamus did because it the sort of thing he would write and I would sit here going "FFUUUU for stealing my thoughts" 0 -
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I started to read this thread without realising it was about me. I really dislike it the way people start feedback threads and not tell the subject of the thread that there is a feedback thread.
1. Yes, the image I posted was irreverent. However, that in itself isn't bad. Sometimes, we all need to be brought down to our real size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75805275#post75805275 I failed insofar as (a) I was off-topic and wasn't constructive (b) there was a tiny hint of back seat modding - there is a problem with people saying one thing in a thread title and another in a the body of the post (and/or poll, if present). I would normally try to post to a higher standard, e.g. this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75880614&postcount=16 while an act of moderation, also pre-empts some comments on the matter.
2. eyesquirm was right to point out that my post was not constructive. Given that I was being irreverent, it was the least I could do. It was right that I be brought down to size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75806030&postcount=17 I think it is unfortunate that eyesquirm received a warning. However, I suppose he was being a hypocrite, as he didn't do anything constructive either.
3. I have one warning to my name, that was accidentally applied to me instead of the offending user. This was revoked.
4. I have no infractions.
5. I have had previous, short, bans from politics (pre-date the current record system). I think they were for calling people who were grossly negligent with the truth "liars", which is against the charter. I took my punishment willingly.
6. I nearly had a ban for reporting a post from a private forum. However, before the ban could be implemented, I had edited the offending report such that the privacy of the forum wasn't materially affected. The mod declined to ban me, so I 'banned' myself from there for the week instead.
7. The Conspiracy Theories forum drives me bananas, so I asked to be banned so I wouldn't see it on the 50 most recent posts on the front page. The mod hummed and hawed. It not so much that there are mad conspiracies out there as the poor quality of the alleged conspiracies. Weeks later, I lost it with a poster who said something outrageous there, I said something out of line and was banned. When I received the ban notification, I asked if it could be made permanent, so it was. \o/
PS I've just realised I've been here 11 years and 5 days, I didn't even realise it was ten years.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Something I don't understand is why the admins can't be infracted or banned? Dev himself admitted he had done wrong.
That's because DeV is a brat, an exception to the rule and did not have to go through the vetting process that any of the rest of us Admins had to.
He'd never have past the first stage process.
The only people who have been selected to be Admins have been well behaved as a user since day one.
They rarely caused trouble and displayed a calm, logical and rational thought process.
If they weren't getting banned and infracted as a general user, then it is logical to expect that they would not be as Admins.0 -
I started to read this thread without realising it was about me. I really dislike it the way people start feedback threads and not tell the subject of the thread that there is a feedback thread.
1. Yes, the image I posted was irreverent. However, that in itself isn't bad. Sometimes, we all need to be brought down to our real size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75805275#post75805275 I failed insofar as (a) I was off-topic and wasn't constructive (b) there was a tiny hint of back seat modding - there is a problem with people saying one thing in a thread title and another in a the body of the post (and/or poll, if present). I would normally try to post to a higher standard, e.g. this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75880614&postcount=16 while an act of moderation, also pre-empts some comments on the matter.
2. eyesquirm was right to point out that my post was not constructive. Given that I was being irreverent, it was the least I could do. It was right that I be brought down to size. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75806030&postcount=17 I think it is unfortunate that eyesquirm received a warning. However, I suppose he was being a hypocrite, as he didn't do anything constructive either.
3. I have one warning to my name, that was accidentally applied to me instead of the offending user. This was revoked.
4. I have no infractions.
5. I have had previous, short, bans from politics (pre-date the current record system). I think they were for calling people who were grossly negligent with the truth "liars", which is against the charter. I took my punishment willingly.
6. I nearly had a ban for reporting a post from a private forum. However, before the ban could be implemented, I had edited the offending report such that the privacy of the forum wasn't materially affected. The mod declined to ban me, so I 'banned' myself from there for the week instead.
7. The Conspiracy Theories forum drives me bananas, so I asked to be banned so I wouldn't see it on the 50 most recent posts on the front page. The mod hummed and hawed. It not so much that there are mad conspiracies out there as the poor quality of the alleged conspiracies. Weeks later, I lost it with a poster who said something outrageous there, I said something out of line and was banned. When I received the ban notification, I asked if it could be made permanent, so it was. \o/
PS I've just realised I've been here 11 years and 5 days, I didn't even realise it was ten years.
Hi Victor
This thread is not about you but Infracting MODS or Banning MODS in General
I just used your post as an Example
You got thanked for IMO being off topic by a MOD who Infracted the member who highlighted it to you
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A mod can't 'moderate' (like infract etc..) outside their own forum, no?
They can, but they don't. The technical permissions are there, but rules is rules!How come you can't report a post in a private forum? Private, such as R&R you mean? What do you do if you see an offending post in such a forum?
You should PM the forum moderators instead. It's just to make sure what's said in private stays private.0 -
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As said, there are rules and it would only be in extreme cases that someone would mod outside their forum. I have only ever done it for spammers who are on a roll.A mod can't 'moderate' (like infract etc..) outside their own forum, no?
You can, but is some forums, it's not the done thing, because the contents are mean to be private.How come you can't report a post in a private forum? Private, such as R&R you mean?
You send a PM to the mods.What do you do if you see an offending post in such a forum?0 -
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This unfortunately, is absolutely true. I have a decidedly split personality and while I have *generally* behaved myself, I do get into trouble on Politics. What can I say, I've a weakness.That's because DeV is a brat, an exception to the rule and did not have to go through the vetting process that any of the rest of us Admins had to.
He'd never have past the first stage process.
The only people who have been selected to be Admins have been well behaved as a user since day one.
They rarely caused trouble and displayed a calm, logical and rational thought process.
If they weren't getting banned and infracted as a general user, then it is logical to expect that they would not be as Admins.
You should see my twitter feed.... its waaaaay more umm, "blunt".
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<aside> I banned two persistent muppets waaay back in the day.
That weekend I went to my traditional monthly poker game with my buddies. All of whom are smart arsed gits but only some of whom are on Boards. The dealer was one who knew I am DeV.
One of my mates pipes up:
"Hey Tom, we found this cool site this week. You like all that internet nerd stuff, you'd love this place".
Me: "Oh yeah...whats the name of it" (already pretty sure I know what the answer is).
Them: "Boards.ie"
The dealer looks at me but I frown an eyebrow.
Me: "cool, I will have a look"
Them: "Yeah, its actually well good..... but the guy who runs its a c*nt".
Me: "Oh, really?"
Them: "He banned us, the wanker!"
Me: "yeah??"
Them: "yeah....... actually we deserved it , we were acting the cock."
They are still banned.
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So, how's the lonesome life treatin ye?When I was modding I judged every problem post by the post rather than who post it. If it warranted a ban/infraction/whatever well that's what it got. It was never anything personal, as I mentioned before I've banned my housemate, I've banned mods and I've banned friends, it was never anything personal.
Some users seem to think that mods enjoy banning users when in actual fact I always found the opposite, generally it's a case of 'ah ffs I'm going to have to ban this user now'
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<aside> I banned two persistent muppets waaay back in the day.
That weekend I went to my traditional monthly poker game with my buddies. All of whom are smart arsed gits but only some of whom are on Boards. The dealer was one who knew I am DeV.
One of my mates pipes up:
"Hey Tom, we found this cool site this week. You like all that internet nerd stuff, you'd love this place".
Me: "Oh yeah...whats the name of it" (already pretty sure I know what the answer is).
Them: "Boards.ie"
The dealer looks at me but I frown an eyebrow.
Me: "cool, I will have a look"
Them: "Yeah, its actually well good..... but the guy who runs its a c*nt".
Me: "Oh, really?"
Them: "He banned us, the wanker!"
Me: "yeah??"
Them: "yeah....... actually we deserved it , we were acting the cock."
They are still banned.
DeV.
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Just to expand on that - aside from the privacy thing, most private forums here are 'hosted' and are modded by hmods (hosted moderators). They don't have access to the reported posts area unless they're also an actual boards mod.How come you can't report a post in a private forum? Private, such as R&R you mean? What do you do if you see an offending post in such a forum?0 -
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