Ways to avoid paying the €100 Property Tax

zenno

there is a way out of paying it... if everyone just said piss-off were not paying it then it wouldn't come into effect, simple. how could this criminal property tax introduction come into effect if every owner didn't pay it.

just don't pay it.

theTinker

Chris Doherty wrote: »

Great, now I know I am Bono's equal. I pay 100 for my 4 bed house he pays 100 for his mansion. very fair I should think.
If I have a mortgage with the EBS Im I the owner or are they the owner. Solicitors need only reply.

Great, Now i know i am Chris Doherty's equal. I pay 100 for my 1 bed apt he pays 100 for his 4 bed! very fair i should think.

sh1tstirrer

Sure it's only little a charge for your house :rolleyes: wait a few years until they develop into a full blown property tax depending on the size of your house :mad:

theTinker

up for anything wrote: »

Who are the home owners that they rent from? There must be a whole heap of them hiding somewhere.

the 1%!

haha ! We've figured it out! We have them now! They own our homes!...wait...awh...damn.

dxhound2005

baddebt wrote: »

if every single household owner in this ****ehole of a country refuses to pay, there will be absolutely nothing the dail eireann wanchers could do.

High time we all stood together ...strength in numbers

And dont pay Motor Tax or TV Licence either, might as well make it worthwhile if you're going to jail

starbelgrade

Sky King wrote: »

Architects eh?

Engineer: But this building isn't touching the ground!

Architect: Pft... You're the engineer. Make it happen!

You're the Sky King - you sort it out!

My name is URL

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Pay it. No one forced you to buy a house

The whole supposed status of being a home owner in Ireland has us ****ed

No wonder most of the Germans rent

wtf..?

Every home has an owner. There's no 'supposed status' about it.

Unless you suppose that you're renting from the tooth fairy.

lastlaugh

starbelgrade wrote: »

Can you come with any inventive suggestions to avoid paying this?g.

Emigrate to Iraq.

psychward

All taxation is theft regardless of whats done with the money after it's legally stolen from you. Start legally avoiding as many taxes as you can in order to compensate for all taxes you are forced to pay. I'd start by selling my tv or not replacing it when it breaks down. Absolutely everything you would ever want to watch is already online. That's one less thieving tax to worry about. I'm going to save money in this recession but it's not the Irish banks who will get to benefit from it. I'd rather stuff it down my trousers to keep me warm in the winter.

starbelgrade

psychward wrote: »

All taxation is theft regardless of whats done with the money after it's legally stolen from you.

If the government didn't "steal" all this money from the taxpayer, then who would fund the course you're studying in UCD?

headmaster

Kat1170 wrote: »

For ****s sake,every second thread, the Germans do this, the Germans do that, they killed 6+ million people in the gas chambers, should we do that as well :mad::mad:

Hmm, we don't have 6 million YET. ;)

Solnskaya

LighterGuy wrote: »

I know this is nothing new about taxes.
But its funny when you stop and look at it ... paying tax for something you own :rolleyes: and we're not talking about something that cost a few hundred euro. but something that can cost a few hundred grand :rolleyes:

you don't own it, the state allows you to kid yourself that you do. Feck up in any major way, and it can be siezed, and they will not write you a cheque for its value.:)

For Forks Sake

headmaster wrote: »

Hmm, we don't have 6 million YET. ;)

That's it, we're taking the f*cking Nordies down with us...

dj jarvis

holy crap :eek::eek::eek:

noonan just came down my chimney dressed like a raccoon demanding cash!!

now where did i put that 100 euro in 1 cent coins ????

amacca

zenno wrote: »

there is a way out of paying it... if everyone just said piss-off were not paying it then it wouldn't come into effect, simple. how could this criminal property tax introduction come into effect if every owner didn't pay it.

just don't pay it.

yeah but people wont stand together unfortunately (I secretly hope they will but I believe they will not on this issue...at least yet)

the Govt will work on fear to enforce payment....If you don't pay they will tell you the charge will build up and penalty interest or something will be payable on it when you sell it or it is handed to your children etc...this will work on a fair percentage methinks

just not paying would not be enough.......all hell would have to break loose in terms of protests specifically against the charge etc...even then now might not be the best time, depending what happens over the coming years there might be a more opportune and realistic time to oppose it

amacca

psychward wrote: »

I'd rather stuff it down my trousers to keep me warm in the winter.

lil tip....take it out of there before entering any shop you want to purchase anything in......none of them are that hard up yet:D

psychward

starbelgrade wrote: »

If the government didn't "steal" all this money from the taxpayer, then who would fund the course you're studying in UCD?

I'm paying maximum fees for it and have already paid for it many times over in taxes. It was taken from me to end up being paid back to me. I have no problem being taxed to pay for good causes btw. However the current situation calls for anarchy imo.

pa990

They cant enforce the second property tax at the moment as its suppose to be enforced by the local council / corpo who are under funded and under resourced.

They will have difficulty enforcing the property tax.

but like the TV licence, if you pay it once.. they have you forever.

Solnskaya

Stop getting up early to sit in your car for the daily commute to work. Stop scrimping and scraping to try and pay your mortgage. Stop worrying about childcare, stop worying about buying furniture. Stop worrying about buying smart clothes to appear as you should at work. Stop worrying about paying your VHI. Dont pay your rent. Dont pay your ESB. Dont pay for your kids prams, their clothes, their education. Become a sponger, state supported council tenant who's biggest decision is how much to put on trap 3. Working for a living in Ireland is rapidly becoming a mugs game. Sadly, I worry about all of the above. Now I have to worry about property charges. While those who get a free house from the state whinge about"not putting up with these conditions".

Einhard

Oh just pay the fupping thing. Jesus Christ, everyone agrees that this country is in a dire financial situation and desperately needs to raise income levels and yet, when a very modest tax of less than €2 per week is levied, people are out bitchin' and moanin' about it. Over in another thread we have people rallying against any reduction in the generous pension benefits, in another there's a revolution brewing over cuts to child benefit, and in another the students are getting ready to man the barricades over a rise in fees. We all purport to understand that we spend far too much and the need to reduce expenditure accordingly, and yet even the most slight inconvenience has people spluttering in outrage. Pay the bloody tax. It's been well flagged for over a year. You had the chance to vote the Socialists in and you blew it, so just suck it up.

Sorry for the grumpy tone, but the constant whining about necessary measures annoys me. I wouldn't mind if it were a big surprise, but despite some broken pledges, the parties in government made it clear before the election that there would be a series of harsh budgets. WTF were people expecting??

ShooterSF

pa990 wrote: »

They cant enforce the second property tax at the moment as its suppose to be enforced by the local council / corpo who are under funded and under resourced.

They will have difficulty enforcing the property tax.

but like the TV licence, if you pay it once.. they have you forever.

Unlike a tv a house is a little harder to hide.

"This? No, just landed on my plot of land one day and randomly ended up like that!"

Solnskaya

Einhard wrote: »

Oh just pay the fupping thing. Jesus Christ, everyone agrees that this country is in a dire financial situation and desperately needs to raise income levels and yet, when a very modest tax of less than €2 is levied, people are out bitchin' and moanin' about it. Over in another thread we have people rallying against any reduction in the generous pension benefits, in another there's a revolution brewing over cuts to child benefit, and in another the students are getting ready to man the barricades over a rise in fees. We all purport to understand that we spend far too much and the need to reduce expenditure accordingly, and yet even the most slight inconvenience has people spluttering in outrage. Pay the bloody tax. It's been well flagged for over a year. You had the chance to vote the Socialists in and you blew it, so just suck it up.

Sorry for the grumpy tone, but the constant whining about necessary measures annoys me. I wouldn't mind if it were a big surprise, but despite some broken pledges, the parties in government made it clear before the election that there would be a series of harsh budgets. WTF were people expecting??

No, I for one, won't. It is only a necessary measure because the cnuts are going to hand 3 billion euro over to the unsecured anglo bondholders in the next few weeks.

Plowman

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ShooterSF

Plowman wrote: »

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Our politicians frugal with spending state funds on themselves? Yeah right

Lone Stone

So Settled people 0 - Pikies 1 - richers 999999

you win this round travellers :mad:

pa990

ShooterSF wrote: »

Unlike a tv a house is a little harder to hide.

"This? No, just landed on my plot of land one day and randomly ended up like that!"

i was giving an example, that, once it is paid (tv or property tax) you are on record, and you will receive a reminder every year.

if it is never paid then you are never on record. The enforcement agencies for property tax are under resourced and unable to adequately enforce it.


anyway.. i dont see the need to hide the house, plenty of people have a TV without a licence and they dont have to hide them.

amacca

Einhard wrote: »

Sorry for the grumpy tone, but the constant whining about necessary measures annoys me. I wouldn't mind if it were a big surprise, but despite some broken pledges, the parties in government made it clear before the election that there would be a series of harsh budgets. WTF were people expecting??

Agree to an extent....BUT:D

Solnskaya makes a valid point in the post previous to yours.......what about the council tenants that dont have to pay it (I can see where the govt are coming from exempting people on mortgage interest relief ....as long as they pay it like everyone else when they are out of the hole) but am I wrong in thinking that its a little lax to have an exempted group of this nature...perhaps not, just wondering what you think?


A lot of the houses (the house my parents live in) have been earned over the years with blood, sweat and tears in terms of income that was taxed to the hilt at the time and prices that were much higher than would have been paid for an equivalent house in countries that had a property tax so in a sense they have already paid a premium over and above what they should have had to........to now ask them to pay for something hard earned with money that was taxed to the hilt..................this one will piss off a lot of people...especially when they ramp it up......and I have to say I agree with the pissed off on this one.

dj jarvis

psychward wrote: »

I'm paying maximum fees for it and have already paid for it many times over in taxes. It was taken from me to end up being paid back to me. I have no problem being taxed to pay for good causes btw. However the current situation calls for anarchy imo.

so anarchy will solve this issue - please
that is working out great for the greeks

you think you have it hard? go get the same education in the uk or the us and get back to me

its a fact that people who complete a college degree earn more , live longer and have a better level of education for their children than people that don't

never forget the taxes that the deprived pay also pay for your education
you pay taxes - we ALL pay taxes - some get more benefits than others in the long run

so if you are finding it hard to manage, spare a thought for some family's that cant afford the fees but dont qualify for any help or grants

and last time i heard it costs 80,000 euro to put a person thru college education - unless you are a mature student who used to be a high earner there is no way you paid in taxes for your education

if im wrong please correct me

Einhard

Solnskaya wrote: »

No, I for one, won't. It is only a necessary measure because the cnuts are going to hand 3 billion euro over to the unsecured anglo bondholders in the next few weeks.

Wrong!!

How has it not gotten through to some people that, even without the bailout, we would still be spending waaaaaaaaayyyyyy more than we take in through taxation. It's slightly scary that people don't realise that FF's most financially reckless act wasn't the bailout, but the giveaway budget policy of buying elections from an electorate who were only too happy to run snouts to the trough, and din't give a fook about the obvious mismanagement of the public finances. It's too late now, and thanks to the dickhea*ds who voted for FF over the past ten years, everyone has to suffer. Blame your neighbours and friends, and every gombeen politicians. They deserve more blame than the IMF or EU or even the much maligned bondholders.

Even now, in the midst of unprecedented shrinkage in national income, we still have gombeen dickhea*ds like Willie Penrose resigning over the closure of an army barracks, and legions of gombeen contituents whose only concern is for their own narrow interests. God it sickens me sometimes. Even in the "good times" we still had people queueing up after billions were given away in budgets to complain that they hadn't gotten enough, that their fumblings in the greasy till hadn't been profitibale enough. Fook it sickens me at times. Bring on the Germans I say. We're too fooking stupid as a nation to look after ourselves.

ShooterSF

pa990 wrote: »

i was giving an example, that, once it is paid (tv or property tax) you are on record, and you will receive a reminder every year.

if it is never paid then you are never on record. The enforcement agencies for property tax are under resourced and unable to adequately enforce it.


anyway.. i dont see the need to hide the house, plenty of people have a TV without a licence and they dont have to hide them.

I got ya, that was a bit tongue in cheek

However if our govt. has any cop on at all then systems would alert them of any house numbers in a housing estate below the highest one that paid. Or else a system that polls addresses off some database like an posts. It can't be that hard. As I said a house may or may not have a tv so you never know but it definitely is a house.

Anywho what I've heard is you won't be able to sell up without it paid in full.

dark crystal

amacca wrote: »

Agree to an extent....BUT:D

Solnskaya makes a valid point in the post previous to yours.......what about the council tenants that dont have to pay it (I can see where the govt are coming from exempting people on mortgage interest relief ....as long as they pay it like everyone else when they are out of the hole) but am I wrong in thinking that its a little lax to have an exempted group of this nature...

Because council tenants are just that - tenants. They do not own the properties they are living in, only renting them from the council.

amacca

Einhard wrote: »

We're too fooking stupid as a nation to look after ourselves.

that opinion sickens me.....but maybe I have too high an opinion of my fellow countrymen:(

bonzodog2

Dr.Silly wrote: »

lol... I read that first as a Widow tax ..
but hey, that may come in next year !!!

I read it first as a Wicklow Tax !

SeanW

Kat1170 wrote: »

For ****s sake,every second thread, the Germans do this, the Germans do that, they killed 6+ million people in the gas chambers, should we do that as well :mad::mad:

Is there some kind of standing rule on After Hours that someone has to invoke Godwin's Law within the first few pages of any thread?

amacca

dark crystal wrote: »

Because council tenants are just that - tenants. They do not own the properties they are living in, only renting them from the council.

I have no knowledge but I was under the impression that

1) this rent was at a very favorable rate in comparison to what other types of renters pay in general

2) the rent payments are going towards the cost of buying the house outright

3) the tenant has the option to buy the house outright...do the owners of bought council houses have to pay the tax as a matter of interest?

should they pay nothing at all?

Kat1170

Kat1170 wrote: »

For ****s sake,every second thread, the Germans do this, the Germans do that, they killed 6+ million people in the gas chambers, should we do that as well :mad::mad:

Wow, I never thought I'd actually see someone bring up the holocaust in a discussion about property tax.

This has to be in the running for most severe Godwin of all time.

amacca

bonzodog2 wrote: »

I read it first as a Wicklow Tax !

I could get behind that one all right.....

shifty folk those wicklow people...never liked em personally.

mikom

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Pay it. No one forced you to buy a house

The whole supposed status of being a home owner in Ireland has us ****ed

No wonder most of the Germans rent

Well we are all renting now.
With this tax you will pay ground rent of of 100 Euro a year to the government.
Probably 200 next year, and 300 the year after.
Home owners now have a government landlord.

Fucking sickening.

LighterGuy wrote: »

I know this is nothing new about taxes.
But its funny when you stop and look at it ... paying tax for something you own

See TV licence.
More ****.

Next up........ buy a soccer ball and pay 20 Euro a year to the FAI.

ShooterSF

amacca wrote: »

I have no knowledge but I was under the impression that

1) this rent was at a very favorable rate in comparison to what other types of renters pay in general

2) the rent payments are going towards the cost of buying the house outright

3) the tenant has the option to buy the house outright...do the owners of bought council houses have to pay the tax as a matter of interest?

should they pay nothing at all?

Renters don't pay though the owner does. So both are in the same position but pointless to take the tax off the council. I know where my landlord will be told to go if he expects me to drop €100 on top of my lease.

eth0

SeanW wrote: »

Is there some kind of standing rule on After Hours that someone has to invoke Godwin's Law within the first few pages of any thread?

There's some kind of law that says Irish people have to feel inferior to Germany and nothing bad can be said about Germany, the completely trouble-free country of infinite wealth and wisdom

I have been to Germany and its by no means the perfect country people like to say it is. They have their own problems but you don't hear about them on the news here

For Forks Sake

SeanW wrote: »

Is there some kind of standing rule on After Hours that someone has to invoke Godwin's Law within the first few pages of any thread?

The Godwins Law of Irish inthernets dictates that within the first few posts of any even vaguely economic topic the "rabble rabble rabble, it was the bankers/politicians/Mickey Mouse wot done it" brigade will be along. No matter what the topic in question actually is.

For prime examples, look at the comments on any article on thejournal.ie

Chris Doherty

dark crystal wrote: »

Because council tenants are just that - tenants. They do not own the properties they are living in, only renting them from the council.

It is called Residential Property tax, do the coulcil tenants live in the garden under canvas. I know quite a number of Council Tenants who earn close to 80k (Husband and Wife) and will not have to pay it, Very unfair

psychward

Plowman wrote: »

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You mean the Bank of Ireland in College Green ? The wall facing Dame Street and Trinity College never had windows, the bricked up facade is just an illusion like a fence and actually isnt' part of a building at all. Try googling a picture of it and you'll see what I mean.

Pete M.

Best way to avoid paying it is to not write a cheque or not to make a digital transaction to whoever is going to be given the task of administering it.

Like has been said before, if enough people refuse to do it, then there'll be a whole lot of us in Court, too many in fact to get into the Court.

You obviously missed the meetings in Sligo then about this then Star eh?

psychward

dj jarvis wrote: »

so anarchy will solve this issue - please
that is working out great for the greeks

The Greeks are less justified than us in their anger in that their debt was actually seen and spent by them. Unlike here where our debt was ran up by private stockmarket gamblers. I'm no trendy commie but I have a keen sense of right and wrong.

dj jarvis wrote: »

you think you have it hard? go get the same education in the uk or the us and get back to me

its a fact that people who complete a college degree earn more , live longer and have a better level of education for their children than people that don't

never forget the taxes that the deprived pay also pay for your education
you pay taxes - we ALL pay taxes - some get more benefits than others in the long run

so if you are finding it hard to manage, spare a thought for some family's that cant afford the fees but dont qualify for any help or grants

and last time i heard it costs 80,000 euro to put a person thru college education - unless you are a mature student who used to be a high earner there is no way you paid in taxes for your education

if im wrong please correct me

You lost me at the you think you got it hard part. I'm not claiming any grants. In fact I'm not even claiming child benefit even though I'm probably entitled to it. It's not so easy to put me into a box and label it. I wouldn't bother as I'm not going to use my own personal circumstances to prove or disprove anything and anyway that makes for a bad argument. But to get back to the original accusation about University fees I'm fully paying for them and have done so before. That is all I wish to say on the matter. And it has absolutely no bearing on this property tax issue.

creativedrinker

Daith wrote: »

"The government can't control the sky! What if you lived in a balloon?"

We can recreate the film "up" :rolleyes:

K-9

Solnskaya wrote: »

No, I for one, won't. It is only a necessary measure because the cnuts are going to hand 3 billion euro over to the unsecured anglo bondholders in the next few weeks.

The bondholder payments are on HP, the never never, the credit card. That always works out well but anyway!

Your taxes are for things that have to be kept going every day: SW and PS pay and things like keeping hospitals, schools and garda stations open.

Yep, I know they are closing schools, barracks, hospitals and nursing homes but the few that will remain!

I suppose if we've only a few hospitals, schools and barracks we can all pay 1% tax, or something and the rich can pay the something.

moceri

The initial Household charge is being introduced at €100. It is anticipated that once all property types are registered with the Local Authority, the tax will gradually increased to a level of 0.5% of the property value. A typical house of €300K will be levied a charge of €1,500 per annum.

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/minister-publishes-legislation-detailing-new-e100-household-charge/

Local authorities are virtually unaccountable for how the money is spent. For example why does my Local Authority, having in addition to the Public Library have a separate Staff Library for the exclusive use of Council Staff? There is so much waste, I want to see lots of the fat trimmed before I start paying.

cosanostra

Rumor has it that it will be put on the electricity bill as a method of collection so non payment could result in disconnection

dark crystal

amacca wrote: »

I have no knowledge but I was under the impression that

1) this rent was at a very favorable rate in comparison to what other types of renters pay in general

2) the rent payments are going towards the cost of buying the house outright

3) the tenant has the option to buy the house outright...do the owners of bought council houses have to pay the tax as a matter of interest?

should they pay nothing at all?

1) Council rent is based on the earnings of the occupant/s. The weekly rate charged can vary greatly, depending on income. I know of council tenants who pay more in rent to the council than some home owners pay on a mortgage. Of course, rates for the unemployed or those on low incomes will pay a lower tariff.

2) The rent payments go to the council outright. There is a scheme to buy your council house, but that would be charged the same way as a mortgage is paid. A tenancy agreement with the council is no different to private rental agreement; i.e, the tenant does not own the property, but merely rents on a weekly/monthly basis from the owner.

3) Not entirely sure about that one, but I would assume if the person is paying a mortgage instead of renting, they would be just as liable as any other home owner.