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Anglo Irish Treaty document of 1921

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    #32
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    FeckinUsername wrote: »
    I believe that there would have been serious disturbance. An all out Civil War indeed. However, the half baked solution rubber stamped in '21 has led to two Civil Wars and almost continual strife in the north eastern part of the country ever since. Perhaps it may have been better if we had just pushed ahead with the democratic will of the people in the first place. Those opposing freedom for the entire country were in a small minority. Granted, they were an armed and militant minority, but a minority none-the-less.

    The democratic will of the people in 1922 was very much in favour of the treaty.


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    #33
    indioblack
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    realies wrote: »
    http://treaty.nationalarchives.ie/

    See it online here.

    The standard view now is that the signing of the Treaty was the right thing to do. With the benefit of hindsight, one finds it hard to quarrel with that view. British/English forces were leaving most of the island’s territory and, as Dev himself ironically proved, the means were there to obtain further degrees of independence later. In a strange way, Dav validated the Treaty he had opposed.
    However, there were a lot of intelligent and sincere people who could not live with the compromise. They should not be dismissed out of hand as fools and extremists. There were arguments on both sides and everyone – apart from a few fanatics - wanted the best for Ireland.Irish Times.


    In hindsight would anyone here like to give there opinions what Ireland might be like if the treaty was not signed.My opinion is they should have come back to Ireland and put it to the dail & people before they signed the treaty regardless of British threats of a terrible war, as it happened we had one anyway.
    I've often wondered what the British wanted in this treaty business.
    Did they want a get-out from the whole thing?
    Why threaten some kind of all-out war at all? Why not just do it?
    What was it - the fear of international criticism - or internal pressure and dissent?
    Put practically - if it was a war to retain Ireland - surely an important symbolic part of the Empire - then why negotiate at all if you have the means to defeat your opponent?


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