2013 Reg Number

R.O.R

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Ah feck I was hoping for 13 TN 13

Just go for 131 TN 131 instead (presuming there will be 131 cars sold in Tipp North next year)

pred racer

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Ah feck I was hoping for 13 TN 13

Next year will be the last TN plate too. Or at least I presume so as TN and TS co. Councils are being merged.

Light Switch

Wonder would i get away with no tax?

Jasus Guard can't have that on my windscreen, its got a 13 in it! Sure even the regs don't have 13 in them now.

Rowley Birkin QC

Threads like this make me despair at the sheer amount of morons that live in this country. If people refuse to take a 13 reg plate they should be taken out the back and painfully disposed of.

Should remove some of the dilution in the gene pool.

carchaeologist

13-insert county-666 would do me just fine.

dahamsta

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

Threads like this make me despair at the sheer amount of morons that live in this country. If people refuse to take a 13 reg plate they should be taken out the back and painfully disposed of.

Should remove some of the dilution in the gene pool.

"But it affects my resale value because of all the other morons! Bwah bwah!"

birchtree

1) Plate 132D1234 still starts with 13!
2) Should rather introduce personalized plates, which would both boost revenue and solve 13D problem without altering the standard sequencing.
3) How come superstition can change rules so quickly, when more important issues are taking years to solve.

How about going right to 14D in Jan 2013? Now that would boost sales!

renofan

carchaeologist wrote: »

13-insert county-666 would do me just fine.

13 CN 666. No-one would go near you then :pac:


Also yesterday and this morning I saw a '08 and '09 car both starting with 120xxx. Looks weird too.

birchtree

Tae laidir wrote: »

This could be a serious issue for the Motor Trade.

Many people will postpone the purchase of a car to 2014, as it's generally a discretionary purchase. They won't admit it's superstition - but it is.

Others will be terrified that there will be fewer purchasers when they come to sell in a few years time.

Great Britain will also have this problem, from September this year. It will be interesting to watch what happens there. As usual, we'll probably wait to see how they get on.

Remember, there are some lovely dark metallic green cars out there that don't sell!

So THAT'S why I got my green car so cheap!

Big Nasty

New car sales for October up 10% on 2011.

Maybe there is some truth in this '13' fear?

awec

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panjero

10% up on October last year. Great news alright.

Was the scrappage scheme in place last year?

For Forks Sake

renofan wrote: »

13 CN 666.

One of the Quinnstones probably has that on pre-order.

It BeeMee

I saw a garage place the other day: 126-xx-12
So if there's a 126, there's surely a 131 somewhere 131-xx-12

So will trade plates have to change to a new format next year too?

noodler

panjero wrote: »

10% up on October last year. Great news alright.

Was the scrappage scheme in place last year?

That SIMI or CSO figures?

I assume October was better than October 2011?

Not Jan-Oct better than Jan-Oct 2011?

Scrappage scheme's last month was June 2011.

Big Nasty

noodler wrote: »

That SIMI or CSO figures?

I assume October was better than October 2011?

Not Jan-Oct better than Jan-Oct 2011?

Scrappage scheme's last month was June 2011.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/car-sales-rise-as-most-drivers-opt-for-diesel-over-petrol-3286467.html

What's interesting about that is that Toyota do not appear in the top four either which I thought was unusual. I know it's only one month of the year but still...........

noodler

MCMLXXV wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/car-sales-rise-as-most-drivers-opt-for-diesel-over-petrol-3286467.html

What's interesting about that is that Toyota do not appear in the top four either which I thought was unusual. I know it's only one month of the year but still...........

Okay so it is just October being better than October.

The annual (Jan-Oct) figures for new private cars are down 13%.

EDIT: http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/transport/VEHLICM2012M10/VL2012M10_release.html

Leonard Hofstadter

VW is now number one for all of this year, although only by about 100 cars.

First time I recall VW being ahead of both Ford and Toyota? It's usually Ford and Toyota that toss it up for first and second (and Toyota usually wins that battle).

Big Nasty

noodler wrote: »

Okay so it is just October being better than October.

The annual (Jan-Oct) figures for new private cars are down 13%.

EDIT: http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/transport/VEHLICM2012M10/VL2012M10_release.html

Correct

captainspeed wrote: »

VW is now number one for all of this year, although only by about 100 cars.

First time I recall VW being ahead of both Ford and Toyota? It's usually Ford and Toyota that toss it up for first and second (and Toyota usually wins that battle).

Exactly my point.

panjero

I'd say there are alot of dealers looking into crystal balls at the moment.
Here hoping for a lucky 13.
Budget day will have a big impact on us all regardless of a 1 being placed after a 3 on a numberplate.

Silvera

It BeeMee wrote: »

I saw a garage place the other day: 126-xx-12
So if there's a 126, there's surely a 131 somewhere 131-xx-12

So will trade plates have to change to a new format next year too?

This has crossed my mind too.

Perhaps 2013 Garage/Trade Plates will also include the new format, e.g. '101-WX-131'?

Alternatively, Trade Plates (which currently start at '101') may now start at '201' to avoid any possible conflict with '131/132 plates? e.g. '201-WX-13'

(Incidentially, if anybody has an old expired trade plate..I'm looking for one to hang on my garage wall).

Iwannahurl

Just bumping this thread rather than start a new one, having read Conor Faughnan on the subject recently.

He has a syndicated column that goes out to local newspapers, and this excerpt is from the Mullingar Advertiser:

You may recall that a few months ago we were talking about possible changes to the Irish registration plate system. Those rumours look a bit more solid now and if the signals that the AA are getting are accurate next year’s registration plates will see the first change in format since 1987.

Motorists were not at all keen on this idea when it first came out. We asked people about it as part of our AA Motorists’ Panel poll and the results were strongly in favour of sticking with the existing system.

In fact the change will not be all that radical; one digit will be added immediately after the year. From next January the registration year will have two halves. January to June cars will have numbers that begin ‘131’, then it is ‘132’ for the second part of the year.

Giving the trade a second January every year will help them by spreading out the demand across the calendar. It will also spread out the depreciation on cars so that they do not drop so thumpingly in value every time Auld Lang Syne rings out. Arguably, as motoring consumers this is no loss to us.

A rather absurd reason that this is happening now is that trade was concerned that people might have been put off buying a ‘13’ reg car for superstitious reasons. That always seemed daft to me; I’m a natural sceptic with a strong distaste for mumbo-jumbo.

I was wrong as it turns out. 8.3 per cent of AA Members said they would be put off by a 13 reg when we asked them in a large poll sample of over 15,000 back in the springtime. Mind you they were admirably rational on their reasons – it was all to do with resale value rather than an actual belief in bad luck.

Link: http://www.advertiser.ie/mullingar/article/56880/car-industry-hopes-changed-plate-will-change-their-luck

MidlandsM

Dealers have already begun to display mocked-up 131 plates.

seamus

Iwannahurl wrote: »

I was wrong as it turns out. 8.3 per cent of AA Members said they would be put off by a 13 reg when we asked them in a large poll sample of over 15,000 back in the springtime. Mind you they were admirably rational on their reasons – it was all to do with resale value rather than an actual belief in bad luck.

Ha! So nobody is superstitious about it, but people are worried about the resale value because they believe people are superstitious about it. Sure...

0ph0rce0

People put off by a number, Oh dear god :rolleyes: some people really have problems.

Tea 1000

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

People put off by a number, Oh dear god :rolleyes: some people really have problems.

You shouldn't be so surprised. Many won't buy anything other than a D reg.

ardmacha

This proposed change is bollix.

In Britain where letters are used this kind of thing may have a role, but here where numbers are used anyone with any interest in the subject can easily see if the car has been registered at the beginning of the year or the end.

A complete waste of time, especially as data entry screens etc will not have to be amended to cater for this nonsense.

CiniO

It seems mad to add another character to reg numbers.
Ireland is a small country, and even though some of our numberplates consist of 9 characters.
Now it might come to 10 in the worst case.

How are people meant to memorise the number in case someone is running away??

UK has got 7 character plates, and they've got 20 or 30 times more vehicles registered than we.

Why don't they use extra character to change every month - it would make more sence.

f.e.
13A - January
13B - February
13C - March
....
13M - December

Silvera

CiniO wrote: »

It seems mad to add another character to reg numbers.
Ireland is a small country, and even though some of our numberplates consist of 9 characters.
Now it might come to 10 in the worst case.

How are people meant to memorise the number in case someone is running away??

UK has got 7 character plates, and they've got 20 or 30 times more vehicles registered than we.

Why don't they use extra character to change every month - it would make more sence.

f.e.
13A - January
13B - February
13C - March
....
13M - December

That mighnt be a bad idea. It would certainly make registrations much smaller and easily remembered. At a guess I'd say if such a system was in place even Dublin would not surpass 7 digits in any given month...if even that.... i.e. would '13A-D-9999' be reached in January 2013?

However, it would not get rid of the "dreaded 13"


Interestingly, Fiat Ireland have suggested getting rid of the 'year' in registrations entirely! They are the only people in the motor trade (or indeed anywhere officially) who I have heard suggesting such a move?!

This would effectively revert to the pre-1987 system, maybe based as follows: Co, Wicklow = 'WW-1, WW-2, WW-3'....etc etc etc.. being issued - perhaps giving drivers their own specific registration for life ...as is the case in Switzerland!

CiniO

Silvera wrote: »

That mighnt be a bad idea. It would certainly make registrations much smaller and easily remembered. At a guess I'd say if such a system was in place even Dublin would not surpass 7 digits in any given month...if even that.... i.e. would '13A-D-9999' be reached in January 2013?

However, it would not get rid of the "dreaded 13"


Interestingly, Fiat Ireland have suggested getting rid of the 'year' in registrations entirely! They are the only people in the motor trade (or indeed anywhere officially) who I have heard suggesting such a move?!

This would effectively revert to the pre-1987 system, maybe based as follows: Co, Wicklow = 'WW-1, WW-2, WW-3'....etc etc etc.. being issued - perhaps giving drivers their own specific registration for life ...as is the case in Switzerland!

I said on this forum many times before that IMHO the best system for Ireland would be ABC123
Three letters, three numbers
That gives 17 million combinations which is more that Ireland will ever need.
It's only 6 character long number so it's easy to read (and that's the main purpose of numberplates).

Indicating year of first registration on numberplate is just dumb IMO.
Having a county indicated, where it doesn't change with the owner doesn't make much sense either, as most cars change it's first owner after 3 maybe 4 years, and very often next owner is from different county.
I live in Mayo, but I assume MO regs are not the majority here...

So simple ABC123 system would be ideal.

RandomAccess

CiniO wrote: »

I said on this forum many times before that IMHO the best system for Ireland would be ABC123
Three letters, three numbers
That gives 17 million combinations which is more that Ireland will ever need.
It's only 6 character long number so it's easy to read (and that's the main purpose of numberplates).

Indicating year of first registration on numberplate is just dumb IMO.
Having a county indicated, where it doesn't change with the owner doesn't make much sense either, as most cars change it's first owner after 3 maybe 4 years, and very often next owner is from different county.
I live in Mayo, but I assume MO regs are not the majority here...

So simple ABC123 system would be ideal.

Would that not get confusing with the NI plates being similar?
I suppose we could use a different colour?

CiniO

RandomAccess wrote: »

Would that not get confusing with the NI plates being similar?
I suppose we could use a different colour?

I never thought about it.
Maybe 123ABC then.
But still it could be confused with Spanish

Anyway - it doesn't really matter. No one is going to change it...

I know some people here like Irish registration system, as it's very clear and lucid. Year - Country - consequent number.
And it's nice indeed, but drawback is that it produces numberplates with big number of characters, and therefore they are hard to read or remember when someone is running away. And that's actually the main reason for numberplates being displayed on cars.

IMHO numberplates should be only for identification purposes, and shouldn't contain any additional info.

I like Spanish system - they've got 1234ABC. And it just goes randomly, so you can't tell how old is the car or where was it registered.

Jordan537

i personally hate the irish system. Having the year of the car is utter ****e!

for instance. If you have a porchse or ferrari or something and the number plate says 00-D-29329 it just makes it look crap because its a 00 car.

the first thing everyone looks at when they see a car is the plates over here to check the year. i hate it!

For Forks Sake

Jordan537 wrote: »

i personally hate the irish system. Having the year of the car is utter ****e!

for instance. If you have a porchse or ferrari or something and the number plate says 00-D-29329 it just makes it look crap because its a 00 car.

I think not, reg plate is last thing you'd be noticing..

Schorpio

So it would seem it's official. I know we've known about it for quite some time, but it was announced with the budget.

NFD100

Bet they haven't standardised fonts. We're the only country that allows whatever you want as long as the size is ok.

Silvera

CiniO wrote: »

I never thought about it.
Maybe 123ABC then.
But still it could be confused with Spanish

Anyway - it doesn't really matter. No one is going to change it...

I know some people here like Irish registration system, as it's very clear and lucid. Year - Country - consequent number.
And it's nice indeed, but drawback is that it produces numberplates with big number of characters, and therefore they are hard to read or remember when someone is running away. And that's actually the main reason for numberplates being displayed on cars.

IMHO numberplates should be only for identification purposes, and shouldn't contain any additional info.

I like Spanish system - they've got 1234ABC. And it just goes randomly, so you can't tell how old is the car or where was it registered.

What you are suggesting is basically the pre-1987 Irish registration system
e.g. a Co. Kildare car reg from the early 1980's = 'NZW 401' (ZW = Kildare).

Not that I disagree with you. The pre-87 system was a good one - it didnt show the 'year' on the plate
...and hence didnt make a car appear 'dated' so soon (in the average persons eyes).

Guy:Incognito

Jordan537 wrote: »

i personally hate the irish system. Having the year of the car is utter ****e!

for instance. If you have a porchse or ferrari or something and the number plate says 00-D-29329 it just makes it look crap because its a 00 car.

the first thing everyone looks at when they see a car is the plates over here to check the year. i hate it!

Maybe we could switch to a letter and numbers reg and use a clever system that doesn't show age. I know, what about the first half of next year the reg is AB13CDE and the 2nd half can be AB63CDE?

_Kaiser_

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Maybe we could switch to a letter and numbers reg and use a clever system that doesn't show age. I know, what about the first half of next year the reg is AB13CDE and the 2nd half can be AB63CDE?

Not directed at you Guy, but more the general theory as it's often floated round here...

Why not get over this stupid "keepy uppy" immature attitude in general and just keep a system that (amazingly for this country) actually works WELL for a change - clear, easy to read and well established.

Pandering to the "but it shows the year on the plate.." brigade is just as bad as the "but 13 might be unlucky!" childishness that now has us with this new farcical setup! :mad:

Guy:Incognito

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not directed at you Guy, but more the general theory as it's often floated round here...

Why not get over this stupid "keepy uppy" immature attitude in general and just keep a system that (amazingly for this country) actually works WELL for a change - clear, easy to read and well established.

Pandering to the "but it shows the year on the plate.." brigade is just as bad as the "but 13 might be unlucky!" childishness that now has us with this new farcical setup! :mad:

I'm a well stated supporter of our current (87-12 ) system. It's simple and has all the necessary info. I wouldn't (have) change(d) it.

Iwannahurl

What additional, or significant, information does the County code add, by the way?

As an aside, one of the most farcical things about the registration system is that you can fail your NCT for not displaying the county name in Irish. Unless that Gaeilgeor fetish has been dropped without my noticing...

Gael23

Will this have any impact on depreciation at all?

dgt

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Maybe we could switch to a letter and numbers reg and use a clever system that doesn't show age?

I.E pre 87

seamus

ryanf1 wrote: »

Will this have any impact on depreciation at all?

Your car with it's 132 reg will have only depreciated 40% in January 2016, and 50% in July.

R.O.R

ryanf1 wrote: »

Will this have any impact on depreciation at all?

Probably, but only only a slight adjustment. Only time will tell really.

djimi

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Maybe we could switch to a letter and numbers reg and use a clever system that doesn't show age. I know, what about the first half of next year the reg is AB13CDE and the 2nd half can be AB63CDE?

Would that really make much difference? People will simply look at the registration date instead of the reg plate to determine the age of the car.

I think the fascination with the year/age of a car is too ingrained in the psyche of the Irish motorist at this stage. Changing the number plate system entirely isnt really going to help much. The change that they have made for 2013 is not going to improve matters at all, as I can honestly see the surge to buy new cars shift from January to July so that people can get the "newer" xx2 plate.

R.O.R

djimi wrote: »

Would that really make much difference? People will simply look at the registration date instead of the reg plate to determine the age of the car.

I think the fascination with the year/age of a car is too ingrained in the psyche of the Irish motorist at this stage. Changing the number plate system entirely isnt really going to help much. The change that they have made for 2013 is not going to improve matters at all, as I can honestly see the surge to buy new cars shift from January to July so that people can get the "newer" xx2 plate.

It's not going to be a huge surge, and it's not going to sell any more cars in the year, but hopefully what it will do is even sales out a bit more over the year than currently.

At the moment you have staff in the dealers running around like mad things for the 3/4 months of the year and sitting there scratching their b0llocks for the rest of the year. Makes it very difficult for dealerships to get staffing levels correct. With the change it should spread things out a bit more evenly.

djimi

R.O.R wrote: »

It's not going to be a huge surge, and it's not going to sell any more cars in the year, but hopefully what it will do is even sales out a bit more over the year than currently.

At the moment you have staff in the dealers running around like mad things for the 3/4 months of the year and sitting there scratching their b0llocks for the rest of the year. Makes it very difficult for dealerships to get staffing levels correct. With the change it should spread things out a bit more evenly.

Will it not just mean that instead of having 4 busy months at the start of the year and 8 quieter months, there will now be 2 lots of 2 busy and 4 quiet months? In other words, it may break things up a little but I cant really see it changing anything. I dont see too many people buying a new car from March when they know that they can get the newer plate in July, and likewise from September when the next year is only a few months away.

rochestown

Silvera wrote: »

This would effectively revert to the pre-1987 system, maybe based as follows: Co, Wicklow = 'WW-1, WW-2, WW-3'....etc etc etc.. being issued - perhaps giving drivers their own specific registration for life ...as is the case in Switzerland!

Good idea and they could charge for the privilege to have your own personalised plate... another revenue generating idea... i like it...

R.O.R

djimi wrote: »

Will it not just mean that instead of having 4 busy months at the start of the year and 8 quieter months, there will now be 2 lots of 2 busy and 4 quiet months? In other words, it may break things up a little but I cant really see it changing anything. I dont see too many people buying a new car from March when they know that they can get the newer plate in July, and likewise from September when the next year is only a few months away.

Next year, I think we'll still see the "busy" period of Jan - April, more of a lul for May & June than in the past couple of years, a slight increase in July & August (compared to the past couple of years) and lower from September onwards than we are used to.

I think over the coming years, as people get more used to the system, I do think we'll see a more even spread of registrations throughout the year. According to UK colleagues their lull is about 2 weeks before the reg changes in March and September, but the rest of the year is more or less constants.

While we still have a year identifier on plates, I don't think we'll ever get to an even spread and the year will always be "front loaded", if it does help to spread sales throughout the year, it can only be a good thing.