Nokia Lumia 800

vicM

TBi wrote: »

Buy it sim free and get a lower tariff. You pay for the phone over the life of the contract anyway so it's never 'free'.

Or else go PAYG.

Saw it was 449 with vodafone..but it could be locked and their prepay offers are even worse..

PaulieC

vicM wrote: »

Just because he said it was impressive doesnt mean he doesnt have to question some of the aspects of the OS. Sometimes you have come across as very defensive on this thread. I mean I havent seen any irish android user defending google for thier insistence on US specific apps at launch. Think he was a little miffed the Zune pass thing was not available in Ireland etc

Anyways, my missus is due an upgrade and im really selling her the Lumia, but the vodafone tariff is just awful. Anyone got an Idea when its going to be available on other networks esp Meteor/emobile/3

It's exclusive on Vodafone for 1 month. Other networks will have it on 1st March (O2 and Meteor confirmed, not sure about Three)

Corruptedmorals

AntiVirus wrote: »

Coming from Germany it would be sim free but it could be branded to T-Mobile or Vodafone but it doesn't say it is.

If it is branded the only difference would be the mobile carriers logo would appear briefly after the Nokia logo on boot up and there may be some carrier apps pre installed which you can uninstall. The phone itself would not have any branding on it.

It is possible to flash an unbranded firmware on to remove the branding.

Thanks very much:) I don't mind if it has branding. Now I just need an o2 micro-sim.

stevenf17

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Thanks very much:) I don't mind if it has branding. Now I just need an o2 micro-sim.

Just get a scissors and cut your sim down to size. Worked perfectly for me!

hadoken13

gvzAxle wrote: »

"Leaked specs" of a lumia 910

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Nokia-Lumia-910_id6874

basically the same as the 900 except without LTE and with a 12MP camera (instead of 8).

Something like this would be really nice as it would improve upon 2 of the main criticisms of the 800: small screen, and no front-facing camera (910 "spec" shows it would have a 4.3" screen and 1MP ff camera). Now if they put in a micro-sd slot and a better battery I think they'd be onto a winner.

That was a fake post.

hadoken13

GUIGuy wrote: »

That guardian blog is hilariously unprofessional. Matthew Baxter-Reynolds lets himself down very badly. It took him several days to realise that to play all music by an artist you press the play button beside the artists name? He talks about trust... how can I trust a blog from a guy who says it is counter intuitive to launch Internet Explorer by pressing the IE tile.

"Clicking an IE logo seems deeply counterintuitive. For people like me, the IE brand is not helping. It's also welded into Bing, which might be fine but remember this is about trust. I trust Google, I don't trust Bing. So I deleted the IE tile from the home screen and put a shortcut to Google there instead."

OK if you think that Google 'IS' the web then that's you're world view, but there's nothing counterintuitive about launching an app from its tile rather than a shortcut to a site. If you don't like Bing that's fine use Google search app! But your mental model is confused if you think it's counterintuitive to launch IE by clicking on the IE logo!

Similarly he's not a very objective when he compares the inbuilt clock on the iPhone with a 3rd party clock on Windows Phone. The inbuilt clock on WP7 does not suspend when closed. 3rd party apps on the iPhone and Windows Phone both suspended in the first generation of the OS.
3rd party apps 'can' run in the background in Mango if the dev designs them to. If he bought an older iPhone app that suspended in the background would he blame the OS or the 3rd party dev for not releasing a new version, or himself for not realising the difference between an app and an OS?

Oh man that Guardian blog is so full of crap. I would not take anything that they post seriously or go there for technology reviews.

Corruptedmorals

stevenf17 wrote: »

Just get a scissors and cut your sim down to size. Worked perfectly for me!

Ah I wouldn't trust myself..especially since the sim is so old it says esat digifone on it...

AntiVirus

vicM wrote: »

Just because he said it was impressive doesnt mean he doesnt have to question some of the aspects of the OS.

He said it was "Ridiculously impressive" last night then woke up this morning saying he found navigation quickly became a chore like on the Zune. If he had been playing with the phone all night then woke up and posted that, it would have made sense, but he hadn't.

He should buy the phone he likes best, I'd always tell someone to try out other phones first.

vicM wrote: »

Sometimes you have come across as very defensive on this thread.

Defensive? only if someone has come on to post garbage who doesn't post in this thread.

If you look at my posts I've never told someone to buy a Windows phone over an iPhone or an Android. Only with the LG Optimus but you just have to compare it to their other options that they were thinking of. Most of my posts are to help people with their phone.

It's very hard to read the tone of a post so I wouldn't read to much into that.

vicM wrote: »

I mean I havent seen any irish android user defending google for thier insistence on US specific apps at launch.

I haven't seen any Windows Phone user do this either.

AntiVirus

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

Thanks very much:) I don't mind if it has branding. Now I just need an o2 micro-sim.

I got a blank 3 micro sim from the 3 shop in liffey valley, came back to the office and rang them to transfer to the new micro sim. It was working about 1 hour later. I'm sure O2 will do the same thing.

In fact if I had my drivers licence with me they would have done it then and there in the shop

Undead

AntiVirus wrote: »

Nice review

Thanks!

Pyongyang wrote: »

Thanks for the review, it actually helped me decide not to buy a Lumia 800. I had a Zune HD when they launched and I lived the right side of the pond so could use Zune Pass.

It was a major selling point of the Zune yet to not have it available in Ireland when you're trying to flog a new phone with Zune being a massive feature is just absolutely ridiculous. Same with the XBOX features on the OS, I bet a lot of it will be redundant in Ireland.

I want to ditch my iPhone but Windows Phone is just not mature enough yet. For me the Lumia 800 has bags of potential. A lot of it though will not be seen in Ireland for the foreseeable. Why buy in to a half-arsed platform?

My contract expires today, I think I'm going sim-only until something better comes along.

Thanks again for the review though, it genuinely helped me out.

You're welcome, glad I could help - one way or the other!

I agree with you on the Zune aspect, as I said it's really annoying that I have to buy music on iTunes and then move it to Zune.
Other than that though - I've been using WP7 since January 2011, am on my 4th device (Omnia 7-Radar-Titan-Lumia) and I can confidently say that I'll never move to a different OS.*


*Providing Microsoft don't do something drastic down the line and ruin it :P

evolutionqy7

Can you not just set folder scanning in Zune to the iTunes folders and you wont have to do anything just turn Zune on.

I mean its not like an arm and a leg ripped out of Windows Phone. Its actually a missing service of Music service from Zune in Ireland. I pressume Microsoft doesnt see enough point in paing licencing fees to sell music in Ireland for a small group of users on boards.ie damn bastards

I dont think Zune pass would be extremely something missed by average users. But Local Scout is something they have to get their game up.

If no one has noticed its not windows phone missing these features. Its Microsoft services that before the launch of Windows Phone never seen the daylight on this side of the pond.

Local Scout does work. There is just Zero data base for it :S

Oh well i got Navigon for all my google POI's anyway :P

ozymandius

Music Seach doesn't work either for the same reason. And a few other services. Local Scout doesn't eben show up if you set your locale as Ireland. How will Vodafone explain that away? It was OK when it was people bringing in unlocked phones from the overseas. But now expectatins may be a bit higher.

TBi

ozymandius wrote: »

Music Seach doesn't work either for the same reason. And a few other services. Local Scout doesn't eben show up if you set your locale as Ireland. How will Vodafone explain that away? It was OK when it was people bringing in unlocked phones from the overseas. But now expectatins may be a bit higher.

That's a strange point to make. Vodafone were selling the TITAN last year and the LG Optimus since 2010. They've had to explain since then... So...I don't get your point...

I saw a lumia 800 today in person. Is it just me or is the white on screen a little on the blue side?

ozymandius

TBi wrote: »

That's a strange point to make. Vodafone were selling the TITAN last year and the LG Optimus since 2010. They've had to explain since then... So...I don't get your point...

I saw a lumia 800 today in person. Is it just me or is the white on screen a little on the blue side?

Because this is 2 years later and VF will be pushing it hard to the mass market. Not just to us geeks who may tolerate missing things. Also MS have had time enough to support these services by now.

Nope, white is white here.

evolutionqy7

TBi wrote: »

That's a strange point to make. Vodafone were selling the TITAN last year and the LG Optimus since 2010. They've had to explain since then... So...I don't get your point...

I saw a lumia 800 today in person. Is it just me or is the white on screen a little on the blue side?

All amoled screens have a small blue tint. Youll especially see it when screen is off and going against side while tilting.

Tbh its very hard to notice

wheresmybeaver

Interesting new features promised to Hardware partners for Windows Phone 8

Leaked video shows that MS are working on removable microSD storage, NFC (for mobile payments), better data management / recording, multicore processors, different screen resolutions, Zune desktop replacement etc for Windows Phone 8 due around the same time as Windows 8 on desktops (September 2012?)

If I can make my HD7 last me till then there should be some great hardware available; I'm especially keen on NFC technology since there are going to be a lot of Irish retailers supporting it with the arrival of NFC Debit cards from most of the Irish banks. Go to Spar, swipe your phone, lunch is bought!

TBi

ozymandius wrote: »

Because this is 2 years later and VF will be pushing it hard to the mass market. Not just to us geeks who may tolerate missing things. Also MS have had time enough to support these services by now.

Nope, white is white here.

A lot of people tolerate missing things, especially if they aren't advertised as available. Only geeks would really know they are missing.

I didn't see anywhere in the shop about local scout, music search or zune pass. How can Joe Soap miss something he don't know about?

quad_red

They're giving these out on Baggot Street.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/nokiacookie.jpg/

evolutionqy7

quad_red wrote: »

They're giving these out on Baggot Street.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/nokiacookie.jpg/

Mmm coooookies

Vodafone: Paul

Who'd like an Xbox and and a brand new Nokia Lumia 800 Windows phone to go with it?

You do, you say?

Well take a look here on how to enter. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056538643

No catch at all and no requirement to be a Vodafone customer to enter. Good luck!

Paul

AntiVirus

oops wrong thread

aliaslinden

dammnit wrong thread

evolutionqy7

Vodafone: Paul wrote: »

Who'd like an Xbox and and a brand new Nokia Lumia 800 Windows phone to go with it?

You do, you say?

Well take a look here on how to enter. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056538643

No catch at all and no requirement to be a Vodafone customer to enter. Good luck!

Paul

Hey Paul

Mmm not sure is it me but the line "The Nokia Lumia 800 is the first Windows smartphone running of windows 7.5 mango and is exclusive to vodafone"

Should it not be "The Nokia Lumia 800 is the first Windows Phone Mango Smartphone from Nokia which is exclusive to Vodafone"

kmart6

Yeah that stood out to me earlier as well, terrible mistake to make!

Vodafone: Paul

You are of course correct
Sorry about that lads, I'll have amended.

eamon234

Does anyone know if the Lumias Vodafone are selling on billpay are simlocked? I don't have a spare microsim to check.

hadoken13

@Vodafone: Paul

Any idea of when the Cyan model will be coming to Vodafone? I am dying to get this phone but only the Cyan model as I can give it to the missus and get a new Nokia in about 6 months time.

I want to stay with Vodafone too as they've looked after me a lot in the past, so even if o2 have a Cyan model on launch day will not tempt me. But only if it's guaranteed to come to Vodafone.

g0g

I'm seeing out of stock on Vodafone website - must be popular!:)

vicM

AntiVirus wrote: »

He said it was "Ridiculously impressive" last night then woke up this morning saying he found navigation quickly became a chore like on the Zune. If he had been playing with the phone all night then woke up and posted that, it would have made sense, but he hadn't.

He should buy the phone he likes best, I'd always tell someone to try out other phones first.



Defensive? only if someone has come on to post garbage who doesn't post in this thread.

If you look at my posts I've never told someone to buy a Windows phone over an iPhone or an Android. Only with the LG Optimus but you just have to compare it to their other options that they were thinking of. Most of my posts are to help people with their phone.

It's very hard to read the tone of a post so I wouldn't read to much into that.



I haven't seen any Windows Phone user do this either.

My bad, thought you were referring to the issue he had with Zune. Guess it will have a relatively small learning curve especially for people coming from the simple to use iOS.

TBi

I waited 10 months for a white iPhone, eventually got a WP7 because i was bored waiting (and didn't want black iPhone). This white Lumia 800 looks very alluring though. Might wait for it.

AntiVirus

TBi wrote: »

I waited 10 months for a white iPhone, eventually got a WP7 because i was bored waiting (and didn't want black iPhone). This white Lumia 800 looks very alluring though. Might wait for it.

Slashgear have a little video clip of it on their site

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-800-white-official-hands-on-06212165/

TBi

AntiVirus wrote: »

Slashgear have a little video clip of it on their site

I'd like to see what FW it's running. If it has the fixes for audio/camera yet.

kmart6

TBi wrote: »

I'd like to see what FW it's running. If it has the fixes for audio/camera yet.

I'd imagine it's the same as the ones out now until a fix comes!

AntiVirus

kmart6 wrote: »

I'd imagine it's the same as the ones out now until a fix comes!

Yip, its no different to the one's we've got.

Corruptedmorals

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kmart6

Vodafone: Paul wrote: »

You are of course correct
Sorry about that lads, I'll have amended.

In the hopes you see this....

Why are you only carrying the Black, and then offering the choice of Cyan and Magenta covers?!

Any chance of the White edition?!

nialldinho

just noticed it's down to 369.99 on amazon.de without the branding..

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B006GJTC2G/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&psc=1

hadoken13

nialldinho wrote: »

just noticed it's down to 369.99 on amazon.de without the branding..

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B006GJTC2G/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&psc=1

That's a pretty damn good offer too - Irish and UK sites are pricing way higher at the moment.

TBi

nialldinho wrote: »

just noticed it's down to 369.99 on amazon.de without the branding..

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B006GJTC2G/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&psc=1

It goes from €369 to €381,40 when you try to order... plus €7.38 shipping so total is €388.78. Still cheaper than Ireland but i want to know why the price increases?

duffman85

It's just the difference in VAT between Ireland and Germany

€369 includes VAT at German rate of 19%
= €310.08 ex VAT
+€6 ex VAT for delivery
= €316.08 *1.23 = €388.78 inc VAT at Irish rate of 23%

TBi

I was thinking that but if you bought it in Germany you'd pay the german tax and wouldn't have to pay our extra tax. It's strange that they have to change the price when bought online.

PaulieC

TBi wrote: »

I was thinking that but if you bought it in Germany you'd pay the german tax and wouldn't have to pay our extra tax. It's strange that they have to change the price when bought online.

It's VAT alright. The default delivery location for amazon.de is germany, so the german tax is applied. Only when you select a different address i.e. Ireland is the Irish vat rate applied

TBi

It's gone back up to 406. Damn it!

hadoken13

I bought it for €388 approximately before the price went up. Like the phone so far - no branding and fully unlocked. May take me a while to get used to it, but it is a step-up from the n97! I miss folder management and deeper customisation - Symbian was the daddy of all that - they just never evolved that much. Office & xbox live integration is top-notch though.

TBi

Back on sale again... not sure whether to buy or not...

Corruptedmorals

I'm in love with mine.

Just copped zune is only available in America so I have to set up itunes and sync from there. I hope they expand, that's ridiculous.

evolutionqy7

TBi wrote: »

Back on sale again... not sure whether to buy or not...

Ah **** me...If the Cyan one was that price before i bought my Titan i would have went for it!!!

TBi

Corruptedmorals wrote: »

I hope they expand, that's ridiculous.

Blame the record companies, not MS.

evolutionqy7

TBi wrote: »

Blame the record companies, not MS.

As much as I wanna blame the record companies I want to blame MS for not showing enough initiative to expand to smaller markets.

Even though their hands were tied for a long time due to the rules for anti competitiveness

AntiVirus

Did anyone buy the Nokia hard cover for their Lumia's? I got the blue one for my Cyan Lumia and have to say it looks great. Don't be fooled by the pictures online they looked completely different. They're like a coloured chrome but it works really well