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Justin Credible Darts

Evade wrote: »

So the Borg are Skynet?

Swedish I think

AMKC

TheValeyard wrote: »

There is always the rumour that the origin of the Borg may begin in humanities future. So the Borg only send the odd cube to force humanity to upskill and get to a certain technological level before their origin story can begin. Anything else could destroy their own time line.

I am not buying it. Unless someone from the future went into the past and created the Borg wheather intentional or by mistake. Why would they do that do and if they could travel in time surely someone from then could go and fix that mistake to stop them from happening?
The simple fact is we may never know how the Borg becan and I do not really want to unless whoever's came up with it understands Star Trek and does a good story for there origins. Otherwise it is best left as a mystery.

AllForIt

Rawr wrote: »

Just finishing my binge watch of Voyager the other day. It was usually great background stuff to listen to while I did housework.

I noticed a while back, and even mentioned here, that I think I gave Voyager too much of a hard time back in the day. Seasons 5 and 6 were really solid Trek, and a lot of the older stuff was pretty good too.

I watched nearly every single episode, skipping only a handful episodes (Fairhaven...:mad:)....until I reached Season 7. It had some pretty good two-parters in there, but I couldn't find myself watching most of the season. I ended up skipping almost everything except for the 2-parters. I'm starting to wonder if this is why I had such a lingering negative impression of Voyager. Could it be down to a very weak Season 7? I'm starting to think that if the show finished in Season 6, would I have fonder memories.

I've ranted about Endgame before, but 2 things came up again on this rewatch.
-Why the hell did the Borg Queen just let Voyager go when she had 50 cubes available in that nebula to go and get them? We know that Federation starships can't outrun a Cube. She could have easily gotten Voyager assimilated without exposing that trans-warp hub. Just chase them down and get them.
"I'll keep an eye on them..." FFS, and then patching that plot-hole by having her claim that she's doing Seven a favor by not attacking Voyager? If she liked Seven so much then she should just assimilate the ship, she's tried this before...

Also...that very ending was probably the most depressing anti-climax I've seen in a Trek show (until possibly ENT's ending). We spent 7 years with them getting home...and all we get are a handful of seconds of Voyager approaching Earth with some ships joining her. They showed us a bit of a home-coming in the alternate future, but it feels like they should have done something here too. Have Voyager land on Earth, near Starfleet Command or something. The ending we got just felt very muted.

...also...Harry's speech is one the cheesiest things I've seen on that show.

...*Also*....what happened when Neelix tried to call Seven the following day to play more Space Blockbusters? Would he still be able to call the Alpha Quadrant on that system? He probably thinks they're all dead now...

So yea....Voyager deserved better from this Trekkie, it's just a pity they couldn't stick the landing.

I think the point was that 'humanity' was different from all other species they encountered before. Because we're special, right?. So the Borg didn't behave in their usual Borg way in their encounters with humans. That threw the Borg Queen off, as she seemed to be somewhat fascinated and confused by humans, thus clouding her judgement and making mistakes along the way.

Glad you got round to appreciating Voyager. Never had a big problem with it myself, I loved Janeway as captain. All hands on deck, red alert.

My sky is down so watched the first 3 episodes of ST: Picard for the second time. The first few episodes showed really a lot of promise upon reflection.

Shame what it turned in to.

TheValeyard

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My sky is down so watched the first 3 episodes of ST: Picard for the second time. The first few episodes showed really a lot of promise upon reflection.

Shame what it turned in to.

Should have kept the Irish Romulan. She was great.

Rawr

TheValeyard wrote: »

Should have kept the Irish Romulan. She was great.

His Romulan buddies should have been his side-kicks. The 3 of them darting off in an old Romulan shuttle they managed to bang together. Would have been a lot more fun.

Totally, there was better chemistry between them than the main cast.

Hugh killed off was crazy decision too.

pah

Rawr wrote: »

His Romulan buddies should have been his side-kicks. The 3 of them darting off in an old Romulan shuttle they managed to bang together. Would have been a lot more fun.

Or an old TOS Bird of Prey like they went up against later on. That would have been cool and a better fit IMO

Inviere

I was happy enough with Picard (within reason), up until the farcical two part ending. What the hell were they thinking.

pixelburp

Something about the back half, and especially the finale, of Picard felt like a hasty rewrite. Can't put my finger on it exactly but the whole thing felt curiously rushed and messy, in the manner of something cobbled together at the last minute.

Sonics2k

Ironically I always felt that Voyager overdid the Borg. Instead of being that distant, looming and near apocalyptic enemy, the Voyager crew was able to fend them off constantly.

pixelburp

Voyager would probably have worked in today's drama production cycles of 10 to 13 chapters. 22 episode orders are arguably the death of narrative momentum or pacing, even to this day. Filler and dawdling until the finale. Voyager had a punchy, pretty straightforward premise that took 3 words; lost in space. But not necessarily a setup that worked against 2 dozen weekly episodes (unlike the literal coming and goings seen on a space station like DS9). No wonder you got so much garbage that felt like TNG redos.

Of course that often shared "photon torpedoes" YouTube video showed the production couldn't even keep to that premise. It's the little things that strip the tension from a crisis driven plot IMO, shows a lack of care or attention (unlike the BSG reboot, the immediacy of its situation a literal number on a whiteboard, periodically reduced to much heartache)

Justin Credible Darts

Evade wrote: »

So the Borg are Skynet?

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Swedish I think

AMKC

Lol

Rawr

Sonics2k wrote: »

Ironically I always felt that Voyager overdid the Borg. Instead of being that distant, looming and near apocalyptic enemy, the Voyager crew was able to fend them off constantly.

Back in the day, and even a bit now, I feel that the whole Borg addition to Voyager was their attempt to make the show more appealing to Trekkies like myself who preferred to follow a Trek show dealing with Alpha Quadrant issues.

I was quite the "Quadrant-ist" back in the day and I was mostly into watching DS9, while watching Voyager in the hope that something Alpha Quadrant related might happen. Also beyond the quite chilling Vidiians, all the show had to offer in the way of antagonists were the Kazon...who were kind of like a poor man's Klingon. (In retrospect I kind of like the Kazon...but I didn't back then)

Then we get the Borg and they become a major theme, with an Ex-Borg in the show too.
I get the impression that this was a calculated attempt to rebrand Voyager from: "Lost in the Delta Quadrant" to "Lost in the Delta Quadrant with the BORG!!!!"

Now they weren't fighting random Delta Quadrant clones of classic baddies, they were fighting the biggest baddest scariest Trek villain...who had only just been on the big screen with the TNG crew. Liked First Contact? Watch Voyager!!! We've got loads of Borg, and promise of more!!

That's kind of the impression I got. They needed a hammer which which to promote Voyager, and ultimately used it too much.

Stark

I think introducing the Borg in of itself was a very good idea. it had already being established before Voyager that they originated in the Delta Quadrant so having Voyager complete a 7 year tour of the quadrant while ignoring that would have been a fairly glaring omission. It's just a pity they didn't focus more on addressing the questions like the "how and why" of the Borg rather than simply chucking Borg ships at ratings dips.

Not to mention that they became way too powerful for anyone to resist and could appear anywhere in the galaxy in minutes with their transwarp technology, while simultaneously relying on incompetence to explain why they hadn't assimilated the whole galaxy already. They probably should have taken the opportunity with "Scorpion" to show the Borg being beaten back to a more manageable enemy.

IvySlayer

What about entering the Q Contiuum and taking multiple Q hostage with Q weapons

Evade

The introduction of the Borg in Voyager was decent, a corpse in Blood Fever and then former Borg in Unity including a not insane Romulan. If Scorpion had ended with Voyager engineering a stalemate between the Borg and 8472 it would have shown why they were kept relatively confined and only threw a single cube at Earth each time. The less said about the ridiculous defeats the Borg suffered at Janeway's hands later the better. A Voyager victory by escaping intact would have been more than enough topped off with the occasional raid on a smaller ship for transwarp coils or whatever.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My sky is down so watched the first 3 episodes of ST: Picard for the second time. The first few episodes showed really a lot of promise upon reflection.

Shame what it turned in to.

Episode 5 now... Jaysus it really fell apart.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Episode 5 now... Jaysus it really fell apart.

And I'm not even at plant based planetary defences yet.

Were Picard and Hugh really that close?

To the point of hugs?

I know some of the ladies like him but Narek is still greasy and shifty looking.

Final thought, the image of Rios as a borderline alcoholic, space rogue would work better if, i can't remember her name, wasn't clearly an alcoholic too. Thats too many for a ship with crew and passengers totalling 5.

Rawr

Deleted User wrote: »

And I'm not even at plant based planetary defences yet.

Were Picard and Hugh really that close?

To the point of hugs?

Would have been better if LaForge was there. Would have made a lot more sense for those two to have heartfelt reunion.

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

Were Picard and Hugh really that close?

Geordi was probably the closest to Hugh. Just like he was the closest to Data.

pixelburp

I loved the plant defences. There has never been enough properly cosmic, alien aspects to Trek. Too easily settled into tropes of prosthetic foreheads and cave sets for alien'ness. They mightn't have been practical but the space flowers were esoteric and quite striking. More of that kind of thing please; after all it is meant to be "strange new worlds"

Agree about Geordi.

Sorry to keep poking holes in this piss poor program, but 500 years from now, I'd have thought 300Gigabytes to be an insignificant amount of data by todays standards?

It'd be like my boss asking why i sent an email 30kbytes in size to a Gmail account.

Also, the samurai body guard was thoroughly under utilised.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

I loved the plant defences. There has never been enough properly cosmic, alien aspects to Trek. Too easily settled into tropes of prosthetic foreheads and cave sets for alien'ness. They mightn't have been practical but the space flowers were esoteric and quite striking. More of that kind of thing please; after all it is meant to be "strange new worlds"

Thats a really great point and I agree. It's just their use like many things were very badly deployed.

flazio

Taking nothing away from Michelle Hurds performance as Raffi but that role would have been perfect for Ro Laren. Ideally with Michelle Forbes but I wouldn't have minded a recast.
Also, it's clear that the relationship of Miles and Keiko O'Brien had quite the impact on Data because Soji/Dahj looks pretty much what I'd expect Molly O'Brien to look like when she's grown up.

flazio

flazio wrote: »

Taking nothing away from Michelle Hurds performance as Raffi but that role would have been perfect for Ro Laren. Ideally with Michelle Forbes but I wouldn't have minded a recast.
Also, it's clear that the relationship of Miles and Keiko O'Brien had quite the impact on Data because Soji/Dahj looks pretty much what I'd expect Molly O'Brien to look like when she's grown up.

Great point about Molly O'Brien.

On the last episode now, some really lovely moments, some very cool and then a load of sh!t that doesn't make any sense.

How awesome would it have been for the Borg cube with 7 of 9 as queen, to arrive in the nick of time to save the planet and Picard?

Evade

I'm watching Total Recall, the good one, and I spotted Dukat, Jellicoe, the Doctor, and Kolrami in the cast. I never noticed any of them except Ronny Cox before.

AMKC

Deleted User wrote: »

Agree about Geordi.

Sorry to keep poking holes in this piss poor program, but 500 years from now, I'd have thought 300Gigabytes to be an insignificant amount of data by todays standards?

It'd be like my boss asking why i sent an email 30kbytes in size to a Gmail account.

Also, the samurai body guard was thoroughly under utilised.

Agreed. Sure data had a bigger memory capacity than that. Gigantic is only a billion bytes so really it should be into whatever comes next. I heard it once or twice before. Is it something like a zillion bytes.
Ye Up late or early depending on what way you look at it. Not feeling tired lol.

AMKC

AMKC wrote: »

Agreed. Sure data had a bigger memory capacity than that. Gigantic is only a billion bytes so really it should be into whatever comes next. I heard it once or twice before. Is it something like a zillion bytes.
Ye Up late or early depending on what way you look at it. Not feeling tired lol.

It goes giga then tera then peta.

All the content on PornHub uses about 24 Petabytes of data.

Yes vast amounts, but you would think, sending all your research on synthetic life forms would take up a good deal more than my home entertainment system uses.