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breezy1985 wrote: »I don't mind it being uplifting or humanity being better than we are today. I meant there are an awful lot of these youtube fellas or whatever who drone on about Genes vision. Discovery sucks but it ain't because Genes vision was molested and it certainly wasn't the first time some holes were put in the perfect future humans idea either.
Are you dismissing the video I shared or just 'an awful lot of these youtube fellas'? The only point the video makes is that it is no longer uplifting or showing humanity as any better than we are now.
Not sure what you're arguing against.it was also for making sure Troi shows a bit of cleavage and mandatory push up bras for the rest of the ladies. Gene was no angel
That's a straw-man tbh
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The problem is, Gene's vision came born from an era when nuclear annihilation was very much a real prospect (and came close to happening with incidents ala the Cuban Missile Crisis), while internally America was at ground zero of huge societal changes. The yearning for better days felt more acute given the immediacy of the danger - you counldn't Fake News your way into ignoring the possibility of WW3.
While the abstract of a Utopia isn't itself archaic, the idea of humanity pulling itself from the brink seems ... well, too late. We probably won't destroy ourselves via nuclear war but instead seem intent on a painful, slow bleed of the species through climate collapse, while Late State Capitalism has strangled any notion (at least in America) that ordinary people might create a better tomorrow. Meanwhile, factions have politicised something as simple as "let's not poison our only planet", so even acknowledging there IS A PROBLEM has become a battle. Turn off the cloud and we'd hit middle ages in a few years. It's no wonder Apocalypse Fiction took over.
Within that context, Trek's ideals feel positively quaint, and further away than ever. That's not to say it shouldn't be present in the show, just that it has never felt so distant IMO and I kinda get why its writers aren't leaping to scribble tales of Happier Times. Well, that's just me, today. The world may have finally ground me into the dirt
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Are you dismissing the video I shared or just 'an awful lot of these youtube fellas'? The only point the video makes is that it is no longer uplifting or showing humanity as any better than we are now.
Not sure what you're arguing against.
That's a straw-man tbh
Im saying I can't listen to the Genes vision thing anymore and having to listen to Frakes in particular go on about it despite him being a Discovery writer bores me.
The Genes vision thing was thrown at Wrath of Khan and DS9 too and I think Discovery actually tries to do the Genes vision thing but like everything else it failed0 -
The problem is, Gene's vision came born from an era when nuclear annihilation was very much a real prospect (and came close to happening with incidents ala the Cuban Missile Crisis), while internally America was at ground zero of huge societal changes. The yearning for better days felt more acute given the immediacy of the danger - you counldn't Fake News your way into ignoring the possibility of WW3.
While the abstract of a Utopia isn't itself archaic, the idea of humanity pulling itself from the brink seems ... well, too late. We probably won't destroy ourselves via nuclear war but instead seem intent on a painful, slow bleed of the species through climate collapse, while Late State Capitalism has strangled any notion (at least in America) that ordinary people might create a better tomorrow. Meanwhile, factions have politicised something as simple as "let's not poison our only planet", so even acknowledging there IS A PROBLEM has become a battle. Turn off the cloud and we'd hit middle ages in a few years. It's no wonder Apocalypse Fiction took over.
Within that context, Trek's ideals feel positively quaint, and further away than ever. That's not to say it shouldn't be present in the show, just that it has never felt so distant IMO and I kinda get why its writers aren't leaping to scribble tales of Happier Times. Well, that's just me, today. The world may have finally ground me into the dirt
Trek's utopian ideals were born out of a world in despair but now that the world is in despair there's no room for utopian ideals?0 -
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Trek's utopian ideals were born out of a world in despair but now that the world is in despair there's no room for utopian ideals?
No, more that we may have simply gone past the brink of mere despair. What do Utopian ideals offer when the world is already burning, and half its population either attack the teenager warning us, or go to great lengths to well-actually.
This could be the Monday talking so you might be best ignoring me
I'm not sure how you arrest a decline as abstract as environmental collapse. 0 -
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Doing a DS9 run through and came across this piece of "acting", had to share.
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Avery Brooks' performance was just fantastic. Unconventional, but never not magnetic either. It made Sisko feel one bad day away from being properly unhinged...
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