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Myrddin

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Happy 46th Anniversary everyone

Google have a cool little doodle for it and all.. check it out

(click on the redshirt when you get to the transporter room )

Haha thats deadly, I killed the Gorn & the redshirt came back onto the bridge

Pride Fighter

Just been thinking of the borg episode from Enterprise. I have to be honest, it does not sit well with me.

_Kaiser_

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Just been thinking of the borg episode from Enterprise. I have to be honest, it does not sit well with me.

Ah yes, the "we never actually called ourselves the Borg (same with the Ferengi episode) so it doesn't mess up TNG" approach to writing. Even though every time we've seen them communicate their first line is "We are the Borg..." :rolleyes:

The episode itself was one of the better Enterprise efforts but so much about that show didn't work in general, from the choice of captain and the mostly invisible supporting cast (what with it being the Archer, Trip and T'Pol show most of the time - that may have worked with TOS but Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly ye aren't!), to stuff like the above, sort porn decon showers, to the abysmal ending!

In fact the only episodes I can say I did genuinely enjoy was the Mirror Universe 2-parter .. as well as being very well written with some great nostalgia value in the original Defiant and the sets/effects and the cool reworked First Contact intro and title sequence, it was actually the most "animated" we'd seen the crew be in 4 seasons of mediocracy (and yes I'd include the whole Xindi season in that).

I would have watched a whole series based around that 2-parter. In fact the subsequent books go into what happened after Sato comes to power and follows on from there and would have made great TV.

To be fair to Bakula, he comes across as a really decent, down-to-earth guy (in The Captains) who I did feel a bit sorry for by the end of it as you can see the whole experience and fan reaction hurt him personally, but ultimately Enterprise killed TV Trek and gave us the new "reboot" version which while entertaining as a generic action sci-fi movie, has now completely thrown away 40+ years of history for flashy special effects and lens flare, CGI action, "comedy value" actors (Simon Pegg as Scotty - WTF??) and an all pretty cast :rolleyes:

Anyway.. I could rant all day but I suppose I better get up and eat something too!

Kirby

Enterprises Season 3s "Twilight" was an excellent episode aswell in my opinion. If you don't feel atleast a little sorry for Archer while watching this episode, you have no soul!

In fact season 3 was the strongest season for me. But then, I'm a sucker for a good arc so that is probably why I think that.

Myrddin

Agreed re Season 3. When you jump off the 'I hate Enterprise' bandwagon, it's actually a really good show. It surpasses Voyager pound for pound {pitting enterprise against the first four seasons of Voyager}

Kiith

Rewatching TNG at the moment, and by god it's a fantastic show. Just finished season 3 and there some brilliant episodes in there. Best of Both Worlds...damn i'd forgotten how good it is.

Also, i love the Galaxy Class. Beautiful looking ship. It's gone back the top of my list.

Kiith

Also, i love the sense of dread that comes with the Borg. They are done really well, and are pretty damn menacing.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

the borg were introduced really well, proper sense of dread and a real feeling of helplessness.

as bad as first contact was for the borg.. I'm not really thrilled with how TNG dealt with them later on either... the whole locutus thing. I just don't buy that the federation is so special the borg would have to assimilate picard specifically just to get a handle on it.

norrie rugger

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

the borg were introduced really well, proper sense of dread and a real feeling of helplessness.

as bad as first contact was for the borg.. I'm not really thrilled with how TNG dealt with them later on either... the whole locutus thing. I just don't buy that the federation is so special the borg would have to assimilate picard specifically just to get a handle on it.

Kinda; the Borg sent only one ship, so it was more of a renascence mission than anything. The Borg always give an option, prior to attack, of standing down rather than being destroyed.
No point wasting resources, in a fight, I imagine.

Pride Fighter

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Ah yes, the "we never actually called ourselves the Borg (same with the Ferengi episode) so it doesn't mess up TNG" approach to writing. Even though every time we've seen them communicate their first line is "We are the Borg..." :rolleyes:

The episode itself was one of the better Enterprise efforts but so much about that show didn't work in general, from the choice of captain and the mostly invisible supporting cast (what with it being the Archer, Trip and T'Pol show most of the time - that may have worked with TOS but Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly ye aren't!), to stuff like the above, sort porn decon showers, to the abysmal ending!

In fact the only episodes I can say I did genuinely enjoy was the Mirror Universe 2-parter .. as well as being very well written with some great nostalgia value in the original Defiant and the sets/effects and the cool reworked First Contact intro and title sequence, it was actually the most "animated" we'd seen the crew be in 4 seasons of mediocracy (and yes I'd include the whole Xindi season in that).

I would have watched a whole series based around that 2-parter. In fact the subsequent books go into what happened after Sato comes to power and follows on from there and would have made great TV.

To be fair to Bakula, he comes across as a really decent, down-to-earth guy (in The Captains) who I did feel a bit sorry for by the end of it as you can see the whole experience and fan reaction hurt him personally, but ultimately Enterprise killed TV Trek and gave us the new "reboot" version which while entertaining as a generic action sci-fi movie, has now completely thrown away 40+ years of history for flashy special effects and lens flare, CGI action, "comedy value" actors (Simon Pegg as Scotty - WTF??) and an all pretty cast :rolleyes:

Anyway.. I could rant all day but I suppose I better get up and eat something too!

Would 100% agree with this. You know a series is bad when a dog out acts most of the main cast. Porthos definitely outacts Mayweather, Hoshi and would be tied with Phlox in terms of acting ability and character development IMO.

downwithpeace

Kaiser2000 wrote:

to the abysmal ending!

The ending was as a result of cancellation, it was filmed and done in such a way that if the show had gone another season then the episode would have been done to lead into the new season. It wasn't and we got that...thing.


Hoshi eventually became tolerable but from the start she was whiny and annoying.
Mayweather was an interesting character but the actor wasn't the best so anytime emotion was tried in his story lines it just fell a part.
Phlox always entertained me, he was different but I can't recall anytime I found the acting an issue, he held his own with Archer, Trip and T'Pol.

Myrddin

I've begun a Voyager run through. No characters on Enterprise are even remotely as annoying as:

Torres - Oh I'm an angry Klingon, I throw things & hit people {:rolleyes:}
Kes - Jesus H Christ
Neelix - Jesus Christ
Kim - Pointless
Paris - Complete waste of an idea

There's five totally pointless annoying characters right off the bat. Yes Neelix became somewhat bearable in the later seasons, but Ent didn't have this luxury. So before one gives out about the weak characters on Ent...lets call a spade a spade here, Voyager's characters were twice as bad & had nearly twice the air-time,

I'll say it again, Enterprise was a MASSIVE improvement over Voyager if you compare the first four seasons.

Myrddin

Crawling through my Voyager run through, I've just finished Season 1 Episode 4, The Phage.

Instead of making the Vidiians a real sinister, scary, malevolent race who harvest your organs while your still alive...they're written as an almost apologetic, sorry race with human like emotion {the Vidiian who chose to offer to help Neelix after Janeway spared his life}.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would have been much better to have the Vidiians hiding in the shadows, ready to jump out & steal your lungs at any moment type people. Evil, unapologetic, an almost sinister love for it is how they should have been, it would have added to the sense of dread, isolation & desperation faced by the crew of Voyager.

Writing them as they're written, its just bland, unimaginative, & downright boring. All the hall marks of early Voyager really.

Also, this thing with Kes & Neelix. Looking at Neelix, its clear he's besotted with Kes, shows real emotion towards her & you can tell she means a great deal to him. When I look at Kes though, I see none of that. What I do see, is someone who's thankful of Neelix, owes him a great deal & appreciates him. I don't see love or affection of any kind from her. She does say she loves him etc, but I don't know whether its because she is so badly acted, or its written this way {which I doubt so early on}, but looking at Kes I don't think it would have bothered her too much if Neelix had died in the episode. In fact, I almost get the sense she'd feel free of him {who wouldn't! But joking aside here}

As I said, I know she eventually breaks up with him...but I don't think this was ever forseen this early on in the show. I think Jeniffer Lien was just way out of her depth

helimachoptor

You are very right Enter, you'll get to an ep later in the series where the

Vidians essentially try to board Voyager in order to steal the organs of everyone on board.

Thats what should have been happening through the time they were on the show.

But instead they were turned into grovelling snot bags who werent threatening at all.

Myrddin

helimachoptor wrote: »

You are very right Enter, you'll get to an ep later in the series where the

Vidians essentially try to board Voyager in order to steal the organs of everyone on board.

Thats what should have been happening through the time they were on the show.

But instead they were turned into grovelling snot bags who werent threatening at all.

Ah yeah, I remember it's a space vortex episode where Voyager is doubled I think {as if one isn't bad enough }

But yeah, the Vidiians*, such a wasted opportunity!




*insert any & every Delta Quadrant species and the sentence still works. They even eventually messed up the Hirogen...da fugg like

helimachoptor

Yeah the Hirogen, another example of having a kick ass species that we're declawed.

Also you'll notice that in the first episode where Tuvok and 7 are captured there's minimizing effect on them and the Hirogen are like 9 foot tall, however in all other eps they essentially get background Klingon actors who are just a bit taller and stick on them Hirogen war paint. Threat -> Gone!

Myrddin

helimachoptor wrote: »

Yeah the Hirogen, another example of having a kick ass species that we're declawed.

Also you'll notice that in the first episode where Tuvok and 7 are captured there's minimizing effect on them and the Hirogen are like 9 foot tall, however in all other eps they essentially get background Klingon actors who are just a bit taller and stick on them Hirogen war paint. Threat -> Gone!

I remember it well, Seven & Tuvok are on the Hirogen ship for the first time & the Hirogen are HUGE. Eventually declawed as you put it, & are happy to hunt holograms. Tsk tsk

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

would I be allowed mention here that I'm selling something ST related on adverts?

helimachoptor

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

would I be allowed mention here that I'm selling something ST related on adverts?

Dont see why not..

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

--edit

it has been made so

helimachoptor

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

well it can be removed if it's against the rules or whatever

http://www.adverts.ie/dvd/star-trek-the-next-generation-complete-boxset/2077956


I'll take sixty for it if anyone wants it, just if I put the price down as 60 on adverts every smart ****er on there will offer 30.

I'd be interested but have them downloaded mate, hopefully a fan will pick them up

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

someone did earlier today, forgot to edit the post

Pride Fighter

Just watched the first series of TNG again on Pick TV. I always thought it was the weakest season of TNG but cannot help but thinking it is better than I thought. Way better than any of the first 2 DS9 seasons, but obviously seasons 3-7 of DS9, its hard to come close to any of them for any series of Trek.

Cannot wait for Negilum in series 2, what a badass episode

Myrddin

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Cannot wait for Negilum in series 2, what a badass episode

Where Silence Has Lease...love it :cool:

Myrddin

Voyager, Season 1 -Eye Of The Needle

Not too bad an episode considering it was so early in the first season. Kim discovers a tiny wormhole that leads to the Alpha Quadrant, though it later transpires to be a rift in time too which means the other end of the wormhole was 20 years in the past.

I still believe they could have done better things with the premise though.

Beefy78

Yeah I remember quite enjoying that episode and thought that the concept was good. I'm going to start a Voyager watch soon. I think there's almost certainly a few episodes that I've never seen in the middle there somewhere.

I just started the 8-episode final DS9 arc. Watched the first one last night. I remember the meat of the plot from here but I can't have seen these episodes since 2000 I'd have thought. Very good television.

downwithpeace

EnterNow wrote: »

Voyager, Season 1 -Eye Of The Needle

Not too bad an episode considering it was so early in the first season. Kim discovers a tiny wormhole that leads to the Alpha Quadrant, though it later transpires to be a rift in time too which means the other end of the wormhole was 20 years in the past.

I still believe they could have done better things with the premise though.

It's a standout episode in the entire series but it suffers from to much Harry Kim, other then that it's an enjoyable use of time rather then the standard screwy time based episodes.

Beefy78 wrote: »

I just started the 8-episode final DS9. Watched the first one last night. I remember the meat of the plot from here but I can't have seen these episodes since 2000 I'd have thought. Very good television.

Agreed and I might watch them again over the weekend

Goldstein

Theoretically speaking, if you could get 1,000s of trekkies to all shout "SOLD!!!!" at the same time, would it sound like the Borg?





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downwithpeace

I like, staying on that site there's an interesting T-Shirt with a Zombie Red Shirt with the caption "He's undead Jim".

norrie rugger

Other than it looks like it would end up stabbing me, I would be all over this