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]Takes some surfeit of possessiveness, and an utter absence of self-awareness to rail against a kid's cartoon FFS. To be fair, this is a poison among a lot of fanboys of pop culture these days and not exclusive the Trek: wherein they can't seem to process the idea that not everything is going to explicitly speak to them. Be it the overall age-group, sexuality of main characters or whatever. It's pathetic.
As to the designs? Yeah they're not especially "Trek" in appearance, but I just don't have any interest in kids cartoons in general anyway. I know Clone Wars and the like try to angle the material at all ages, but it just comes down to personal taste. That and I just hatttttte TV CGI cartoons; the animation is always so rubbery and blergh. Again, personal taste, more power to people who enjoy Clone Wars et al.
Honestly, I think in principal it's amazing that Trek will expand into kids cartoons: it's literally going to prepare the ground for ... wait for it ... The Next Generation of Trek fans
Not that the angry internet neckbeards will appreciate that - and I'm sure there are already 100s of YouTube videos of idiots like that ranting into their webcam.
Nice virtue signalling rant.
If it has no resemblance to any existing Star Trek then it's not expanding into anything, it's instead a studio using an existing brand to make more money.
People who disagree with you aren't idiots or pathetic by the way, maybe you need to pay more attention when watching Star Trek, you might learn something about attitudes towards others.0 -
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Nice virtue signalling rant.
If it has no resemblance to any existing Star Trek then it's not expanding into anything, it's instead a studio using an existing brand to make more money.
People who disagree with you aren't idiots or pathetic by the way, maybe you need to pay more attention when watching Star Trek, you might learn something about attitudes towards others.
Not sure why you're angry, you taking this personal for some reason?
I have no trouble with people disagreeing with me, don't think myself and Evade here have ever seen eye to eye on this forum as a for instance lol
But some fans ranting about cartoons for kids sight unseen is possessive and the worst aspect of nerd / fan culture. Seen elsewhere not just in Trek. There's literally not a second of footage out there yet the reaction in some corners is ... Yeah. Kinda pathetic reaction for a transparent kids cartoon. And I hate to break it to you, but everything made in the Trek world is for making money - Trek ain't art
But yeah, relax there, watch some Trek yourself
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Not sure why you're angry, you taking this personal for some reason? I have no trouble with people disagreeing with me, don't think myself and Evade here have ever seen eye to eye on this forum as a for instance lol
But some fans ranting about cartoons for kids sight unseen is possessive and the worst aspect of nerd / fan culture. Seen elsewhere not just in Trek. There's literally not a second of footage out there yet the reaction in some corners is ... Yeah. Kinda pathetic reaction for a transparent kids cartoon. And I hate to break it to you, but everything made in the Trek world is for making money - Trek ain't art
But yeah, relax there, watch some Trek yourself
Erm I'm not the angry one here chief! Pop quiz, which one of us is calling people pathetic and idiots?0 -
The cartoon image definitely seems 'off' in terms of Star Trek, and seems far more fitting of Star Wars or somesuch. That's not to say it won't be good, it could be, we won't know until we watch it. That said, it's safe to say virtually every current Star Trek fan in existence who has been watching since childhood, didn't need a dumbed down cartoon to hook them, so I can see where some of the grievances are coming from in that regard. When written properly, Star Trek can appeal to all audiences.
I was sceptical, and even dismissive of Lower Decks at one point after my first attempt to watch it. I've recently finished it, and thouroughly enjoyed it this time around (I stuck with it past the first three eps, and kinda knew what to expect for the second attempt). There were some genuine lol moments, and it had some great stories. I'd consider it dumbed down Star Trek, but it was handled properly, by people who really 'get' what Star Trek is. I loved howin one episode it took the absolute piss out of the **** 'cinematic' lighting in modern Star Trek, with the screen haze, piercing bright lights in every scene, etc etc.....also had a good chuckle at Riker's reason for being late to the bridge of the Titan)
So yeah, I'm not automatically optimistic this kids show will be good, but look, even if it's not, it's no loss to us. I'd say one thing, I'd prob quicker watch the kids show than I would the possible Section 31 show.....it's not as if a kids show will be doing any more or less harm than garbage like that would be/will be (which can be safely said without seeing it, because we know how Section 31 was handled in Discovery - awfully.)0 -
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Erm I'm not the angry one here chief! Pop quiz, which one of us is calling people pathetic and idiots?
Another poster already answered for me but maybe reread what I actually SAID. And who I'm saying it about? You're the one who took aim at me so if you're not angry you sure are strident. I feel sorry, not angry, for the fanboy niche who rage over kids cartoons. Guess what though, I wasn't talking about this forum cos whatever else folks are, they aren't raging neckbeards.Why isn't it art? Because it's popular? Because it was made to earn money?
I can guarantee you most of the stuff you do consider to be "art" was created so the artist could make money.
Greebo made the assertion that Prodigy was some outlier for existing to just make money. That could be said of all Trek. Yes it has often had artistic merit but speculating that Prodigy is the first Trek to exist for money making purposes is naive. CBS/Paramount like money, and aren't making Discovery for the love 0 -
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I don't have a link to what you are talking about. I've not seen this show... It's their a trailer anywhere.
The only info thus far is the press release, that single cast picture, and news such as that Kate Mulgrew was returning to voice Janeway. Beyond that it's just tattle, and ones personal taste for more intentionally kid oriented TV programming. The battle lines of which seem to come down around to single posters' diet when they were kids, and I sense a general discomfort for something we can't immediately excuse watching to our SOs. 0 -
The cartoon image definitely seems 'off' in terms of Star Trek, and seems far more fitting of Star Wars or somesuch. That's not to say it won't be good, it could be, we won't know until we watch it. That said, it's safe to say virtually every current Star Trek fan in existence who has been watching since childhood, didn't need a dumbed down cartoon to hook them, so I can see where some of the grievances are coming from in that regard. When written properly, Star Trek can appeal to all audiences.
I was sceptical, and even dismissive of Lower Decks at one point after my first attempt to watch it. I've recently finished it, and thouroughly enjoyed it this time around (I stuck with it past the first three eps, and kinda knew what to expect for the second attempt). There were some genuine lol moments, and it had some great stories. I'd consider it dumbed down Star Trek, but it was handled properly, by people who really 'get' what Star Trek is. I loved howin one episode it took the absolute piss out of the **** 'cinematic' lighting in modern Star Trek, with the screen haze, piercing bright lights in every scene, etc etc.....also had a good chuckle at Riker's reason for being late to the bridge of the Titan)
So yeah, I'm not automatically optimistic this kids show will be good, but look, even if it's not, it's no loss to us. I'd say one thing, I'd prob quicker watch the kids show than I would the possible Section 31 show.....it's not as if a kids show will be doing any more or less harm than garbage like that would be/will be (which can be safely said without seeing it, because we know how Section 31 was handled in Discovery - awfully.)
+1 I think I'm similarly inclined.
I also am of the feeling that good Trek can hook in people from all ages. Hell...I even remember as a 4/5 year old being hooked by The Wrath of Khan. That one *really* wasn't kid friendly :P I was also wary of Lower Decks until I too experienced a production that appeared to actually care about the universe of Trek. They were clearly having fun with it, with an enjoyable sense of humor and a sort of shared language we've all gotten used to over the years of watching Trek.
I can understand Viacom's desire to use Trek in a Nickelodeon production. They're re-launcing their streaming service and the only chance these companies have of completeing with Netflix / Amazon is to pad out their platform with as much content as they can get. This is part of why Discovery probably won't get cancelled, and the reason we may end up seeing Section 31 and Strange New Worlds. They need shows, as many as possible....quality be damned (I guess...)
However, Lower Decks was good, and I still suspect that this was due to Kurtzman & Co. being mostly absent from the production. Those people have an uncanny ability to take a potentially good idea and drive it off a very annoying cliff. That was absent in Lower Decks, and my hope at this early stage is that he was also be absent for the production of ST: Prodigy. If so...there is some hope of some good Trek, even if it is a kids show. I am of the firm belief, that even a kids show should be approached with the intention of entertaining everyone watching. Actual "family entertainmnet" in its more useful form, a show that appeals to everyone at mulitple levels, as opposed to a lightly written adventure slokk that will only appeal to the youngest. Very few manage or bother with the approach of broad-appeal, but if we're lucky, maybe they will. I am curious to see what they come up with.0 -
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