General Star Trek thread

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456227#Comment_121456227

I have a feeling she won't be back. I was surprised she was even in the PIC 3 love in.

Maybe some of the forgotten neglected children will show up like Alexander and Kestra.

Evade

I forgot about Legacy.

crewed by 7, Crusher and La Forge

I tried to understand why there were only two names if there were 7 crewmembers for too long before I realised it was Seven.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456223#Comment_121456223

I agree and the name too. It should be called Star Trek: Frontier and I agree with another poster above that it should have at least 3 Vulcans on it.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121301977#Comment_121301977

"It's not how you portray the idea of a future utopia. Those found families should not need to exist in the future"

What do you mean by that? Are you saying that in the 24th 25th Century etc that that gay couples should not need to exist anymore or they do but its just not a thing anymore?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458301#Comment_121458301

I've given up replying to you until you go back to school and learn what "" are for.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121456234#Comment_121456234

One of the pleasant surprises of PIC season 3 was that Seven did actually feel like proper Starfleet, and that a Captain Seven could actually work. I was convinced that Seven’s snap-promotion to command after 5 mins service (and after years since she stopped being an NCO) was going to piss me off. But First-Officer Seven with Capt. Shaw really worked, much better then I expected. When Seven reached Captaincy, it seemed to make sense, and I could buy the idea of her commanding a Starship.

But I don’t buy the idea of her commanding with a clingy ex-girlfriend as her First-Officer. Especially if that ex is Raffi. A “Legacy” show can work with a Captain Seven if they ditch Raffi and get someone better in there.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458361#Comment_121458361

Also find something better for special advisor Crusher to do.

Also actually find a team who can design starships instead of lifting shte fan fic and deep lore designs. That little support ship is an insult to the name Enterprise, it's backstory as a refit that looks nothing like the original but also an "A" is utterly stupid and it looks like it's from the wrong era.

The Neo-Constitution Enterprise-G. It's like someone asked an AI generator to create a nostalgia wnkfest ship.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121301977#Comment_121301977

"It's not how you portray the idea of a future utopia. Those found families should not need to exist in the future"

What do you mean by that? Are you saying that in the 24th 25th Century etc that that gay couples should not need to exist anymore or they do but its just not a thing anymore?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458921#Comment_121458921

You would need to read up on "gay found families" to understand. It's not the same as a gay couple and in this instance refered to Stamets practical adopting of Adira and Grey.

ilovesmybrick

I think what Breezy is rightly suggesting is that by that point it's just not a deal at all anymore because it is, in its own definition, a utopia that encompasses infinite minds in infinite combinations. By suggesting that Adira and Grey needed to be "adopted" by a gay couple to fit in is contrdictory to that concept and means that the 29th century is about a decade or so behind where we are now in the 21st century.

Simply put, it shouldn't be an issue in Star Trek at that stage.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459298#Comment_121459298

There's a lot of Discovery like that. Communications, and travel, between Earth and Titan ahouldn't have been an issue either but alas.

pixelburp

Hack American screenwriting does seem to like this trope of "family is the one you choose" lately, which I see everywhere, including Disco and it's asinine adoptive family; dunno what spawned it but I cannot stand any invocation of it I see. The "zenith" being Fast & Furious' own "family" (as said like Vin Diesel).

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121459298#Comment_121459298

Awe OK. Thank you.

I agree in whatever century season 3 or 4 of Discovery is set it certainly should not be an issue at all.

TaurenDruid

Yeah, and by the same token, Trek was being all weird and woke, showing that interracial kiss back on TOS! Obviously everyone knew that interracial relationships "wouldn't be an issue." And they doubled-down on that in later series! Remember when they had a Black commander - later captain?! And then - a female captain?! Outrageous that the writers felt the need to include those things, pushing equality and feminism, when we all knew they wouldn't be issues in the utopia of the future!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460794#Comment_121460794

Those examples are exactly what I was getting at.

Uhura, Sisco and Janeway were all big stories in the real world as were Stamets and Culber. It's when you get the non binary person dating the trans person being adopted by the gay couple that it all starts to feel too current in the future. DS9 had similar issues with making jokes out of bi, kink and cross dressing.

This is all from a comment I made in October so I've probably said all this before but I think the Expanse done future non heterosexual relationships way better.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460794#Comment_121460794

Things like that do take you out of it though. DS9's casino heist episode is a perfect example. Sisko getting all worked up because the real Las Vegas discriminated against black people 400 odd years before the episode was set was a bad idea.

A good commentary on a contemporary issue was the episode with the Jem'Hadar child. Brooks directed that episode and decided to make it an allegory for the cycle of 90's gang violence in the US.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460794#Comment_121460794

True, though there was also a little bit of "one step forwards" with Ye Olde Trek's own social emphasises, given the same show that had a Female Captain, also had a female science officer of the "blonde bombshell" variety, who traipsed around in a skintight onesie. With Enterprise then doubling down on the same idea with their "sexy" Vulcan officer learning how to love. Or the convenience that both Dax hosts were conventionally attractive young women; - though to be fair in all those cases, those decisions were often taken by the studio.

I would argue though all those malcontents and fúckwits still existed back in the 1990s - there simply wasn't an algorithm pushing their vomituous opinions into the pop culture discourse, or our screens. Sci-Fi was also still relatively fringe so their antagonism was reserved for periodicals and fan clubs, while moderators and editors made sure their ranting letters got chucked into the waste-basket.

Now? These fúckers run YouTube channels or pollute Boards or Twitter with their bile - giving it an impression there are more that care about "Woke Politics!!!" than in reality. The only thing that has changed is exposure really, IMO etc.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458509#Comment_121458509

I actually kind of like the Neo-Constution. I liked her plenty as the Titan-A, but I'm having a hard time accepting her as Enterprise-G.

It's something about the weight that comes with the name at this stage in Trek history. After Kirk's adventures, the Enterprise name seemed to belong to Starfleet's flagship, which seemed to attach itself to cutting-edge designs which reflected their age.

• Enterprise-B was a brand new Excelsior II, which would probably be one of the most advanced ships in the fleet once we got to Tuesday.
• Enterprise-C was also a trail-blazing example of new technology, bridging the gap between Movie-Treks and what was turning into TNG-Era ship.s
• Enterprise-D was ginantic city-ship, one of the first of her kind.
• Enterprise-E was Starfleet's premier battle cruser, designed for a time of war.
• Enterprise-F was....well a f'ugly bit of fan service to the ST:O crowd, but she looked a big deal.

But Enterprise G...I'm not sure. She seems to damned ordinary to have the name. Not a bad ship at all...but not the legend she should be.

eadrom

As a gay myself, if that matters, seeing Stamets and Culbur brush their teeth together in one of the earlier seasons was great. Unremarked upon. Perfectly normal. In the future it just doesn't matter. Like the Kirk+Uhura kiss, or the black captain, or the female captain. Just didn't matter (in the show).

I'm not trans but I do think they comparatively made far too much of a deal about how right-on and accepting they were of the trans character in later seasons. Suddenly it felt like, even in the 23rd? 25th? (whatever) century, it was still a big issue that needed specific attention and deliberate respect.

But I mean the writing and characters and everything was just awful anyway, so it's not like they only dropped the ball on this issue.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121462603#Comment_121462603

The other difference is Kirk/Uhura was the first ever interracial kiss on US TV. Adira and Grey were not exactly breaking any ground. Grey dating a straight character with that character not having any coming out story or looks/questions from others would have been much more provocative (which these things are supposed to be)

Culber and Stamets felt important in the same way Drummer and her family were (Expanse) precisely because they had no coming out, explanation or tortured back story. They just were.

Also Grey being a Trill who lived as both genders makes it once again a bit of a cop out just like Jadzia only being bi cause Trill stuff was.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121462649#Comment_121462649

It wasn't the first interracial kiss on US TV.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121463892#Comment_121463892

Edit: ya seems to be an urban legend or at least partially.

First kiss between a black and white person it seems rather than interracial. Probably says a lot about the different ways that Asian and African women are sexualised in the media.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121464049#Comment_121464049

Or skin colour was a much more obvious delineation especially considering the picture quality 60 years ago.

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pixelburp

So apparently that Section 31 movie is gonna start filming in Toronto on Jan 29th - so it's still definitely happening 😫

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495484#Comment_121495484

Would you miss Toronto... if some sci fi type accident befell it... wasn't that the plot of a recent SNW ep :)

A small price to pay.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495495#Comment_121495495

Probably one of the few times Toronto got to be itself and not a stand in for any number of US cities.

Sure if you got rid of it, they'd just move to Atlanta or any number of other low tax cities!

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495484#Comment_121495484

There is so much Star Trek and Star Wars now that I just came to the point where I can completely shut my brain off from the bits I don't like.

Space Hitler running S31 will be locked away in the vault with child Leia meeting Obi Wan and Picard fighting Seal Force Borg.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495862#Comment_121495862

While true there's only so much watering down a franchise can endure before it colours the parts you do like.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496292#Comment_121496292

Not for me.

I still watch TNG all the time and I never get annoyed that the ship I am looking at will survive crashing into a planet and then Millennium Falcon it's way through a Borg cube.

I don't think Spock has a sister when I watch TOS.

It's easy if you are not looking for outrage.