General Star Trek thread

Myrddin

IvySlayer wrote: »

Jakes writing thingy is just hard to believe...

And a child navigating a ship at over the speed of light through three dimensional space isn't? :P

IvySlayer

EnterNow wrote: »

And a child navigating a ship at over the speed of light through three dimensional space isn't? :P

I prefer Wesley to Jake, there I said it.

Beefy78

I like Jake a lot. I think he's a very well written and well acted character. Cirroc Lofton had great chemistry with Avery Brooks as well.

sovereign121

Jake didn't bother me all that much, what did disturb me slightly was all that hugging and kissing between him and Ben, it just look awkward and over the top on screen.

downwithpeace

Jake was a good character and making him a writer opened up more plausibility in him being the reporter for the paper during the Dominion DS9 occupation.

Daith

sovereign121 wrote: »

Jake didn't bother me all that much, what did disturb me slightly was all that hugging and kissing between him and Ben, it just look awkward and over the top on screen.

Really? I thought it came across well. They had just lost their wife/mother and I think it showed how much they cared for each other.

Nicely contrasted with Picard and keeping everyone at arms length (not a criticism of the character).

I love the Sisko family to be honest. They just came across as a close, loving family. Even throwing Dax in there as an almost aunt to Jake. I still like the moment in The Visitor where Dax is looking after Jake.

IvySlayer

Just watching The Loss there

Bitch Troi is so much better than regular Troi :P

norrie rugger

I have been slowly getting my wife to watch Trek and anything (and I mean ANYthing) that focuses on Troi has her jumping for the remote.

nyarlothothep

Some of her episodes are atroicious.

Wise Old Elf

norrie rugger wrote: »

I have been slowly getting my wife to watch Trek and anything (and I mean ANYthing) that focuses on Troi has her jumping for the remote.

Wait till you show her "drunk" Troi in First Contact

nyarlothothep

IvySlayer wrote: »

Just watching The Loss there

Bitch Troi is so much better than regular Troi :P

I wonder did Riker ever think of a menage a troi? Sorry, I can't stop myself.

norrie rugger

I don't have time to be looking at Troi talking about now not being the time to worry about the time, as they don't have the time

IvySlayer

Every time I watch DS9 again, I dislike Jadzia less and less. Curzon did this..Curzon did that...one of my previous hosts....gets tedious after a while. No matter what happens in the universe seems like Jadzia has a host that was connected to it..

downwithpeace

She can be annoying at times and most episodes that revolve around her I tend to skip but she has her moment.

Kirby

IvySlayer wrote: »

Every time I watch DS9 again, I dislike Jadzia less and less. Curzon did this..Curzon did that...one of my previous hosts....gets tedious after a while. No matter what happens in the universe seems like Jadzia has a host that was connected to it..

Surely you mean you like her less and less.....or dislike her more and more. :P

IvySlayer

Kirby wrote: »

Surely you mean you like her less and less.....or dislike her more and more. :P

Whatever :pac:

In Season 1 there's an episode where Curzon Dax is accused of murder but she and Sisko argued that Jadzia and Curzon are seperate entities so Jadzia could not be convicted with crimes done by previous hosts

Yet in Season 2 she wants to help Kang, Kor and Koloth kill the Albino cos Curzon took a blood oath and was Kangs son godfather

Make up your mind like

Kirby

I don't want you to think I'm picking on you but I cant resist

IvySlayer wrote: »

In Season 1 there's an episode where Curzon Dax is accused of murder but she and Sisko argued that Jadzia and Curzon are seperate entities so Jadzia could not be convicted with crimes done by previous hosts

She's not legally bound.......

IvySlayer wrote: »

Yet in Season 2 she wants to help Kang, Kor and Koloth kill the Albino cos Curzon took a blood oath and was Kangs son godfather

But she is honour bound.

Daith

IvySlayer wrote: »

In Season 1 there's an episode where Curzon Dax is accused of murder but she and Sisko argued that Jadzia and Curzon are seperate entities so Jadzia could not be convicted with crimes done by previous hosts

That's not really correct. Sisko argued that they were seperate. Jadzia didn't argue at all and seemed to accept that she would die in order to protect the General's memory.

She could have easily told the truth herself, that Curzon was shagging the General's missus.

IvySlayer wrote: »

Yet in Season 2 she wants to help Kang, Kor and Koloth kill the Albino cos Curzon took a blood oath and was Kangs son godfather

Yes and she wanted to protect the memory of the general knowing that she could die.

IvySlayer wrote: »

Make up your mind like

She did and was consistent both times. She followed up on an obligation that Curzon made. Sisko is also consistent in that he didn't feel Curzon's obligations were Jadzia's.

Jadzia as a character has issues. It's obvious the writers didn't know what to do with her early on other than being the science officer and Sisko's friend. In fact they really had an issue in that they needed to flesh out Curzon as a character in order to show the difference in joined Trill's but couldn't flesh out Jadzia for ages.

Also I don't think it's unrealistic that her previous hosts have met other important people. She never met Spock until she went back in time though. I mean who hasn't met Spock!

SarahBM

Watched Insurrection and Nemesis last night. my god Nemesis could have been so much better if it was half an hour longer.

knucklehead6

SarahBM wrote: »

Watched Insurrection and Nemesis last night. my god Nemesis could have been so much better if it was half an hour longer.

And had a different script.

norrie rugger

And plot

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

and didn't exist

GreenWolfe

And didn't have a dodgy Picard clone.

norrie rugger

EarthlyPangaea wrote: »

And didn't have a dodgy Picard clone.

don't think that we can really blame Tom Hardy here. I thought that he did well, considering what the script called for

knucklehead6

norrie rugger wrote: »

don't think that we can really blame Tom Hardy here. I thought that he did well, considering what the script called for

Plus, given the size of the man now he'd probably kick the living crap out of you

SarahBM

Thank god the reboot happened, or else they might have made another one, with the whole Data thing.

I miss Data

IvySlayer

Would a Data vs Lore thing of worked better? I know Data deactivated him, but plot wise, Lore making a back up of himself somewhere could be plausible :P

norrie rugger

Hugh Borg Vs Collective would have worked frikken awesome

SarahBM

Seven of Nine V Locutus!

Kirby

SarahBM wrote: »

Seven of Nine V Locutus!

I hope that's tongue in cheek :P.

I liked jeri ryan and thought seven was a great character but her story was told to be honest. She got a bunch of screen time and character development. Besides, the TNG snobs would have revolted if she ended up being in a movie.

And regarding Nemesis, the problem was a director. You don't ask somebody who doesn't "get" or like trek to direct it. The story in its broad strokes is actually quite a good one....it's very trek. But it was put together poorly. That all stems from the director. A trek person would have been able to look at the screenplay and say "We need to change this and this. A buggie? Not a chance...." etc. etc.