Did you get hit by your parents?

Liam Byrne

bath handle wrote: »

kelty wrote: »

When I was younger my father use to beat me, my bother and sisters with a cane when we became unruly. Didn't do us any harm and he brought us up good and proper to be polite and respectful of others.
W
He sacrificed all of his savings to put all 4 of us through college and now all of us have successful careers. He wanted what was best for us and I am thankful to him for that.

Caning can be very unhygienic when the same cane is being used on a few children. Wooden canes cannot be fully cleaned and as there is always a chance of the skin breaking in use tnus contaminating the cane.if z wooden cane is used, it should be rattan which is flexible and not bamboo which is rigid and mibht shatter. I do not believe in violence towards children.

Feck the unhygenic - caning is wrong.

bath handle

Liam Byrne wrote: »

bath handle wrote: »

kelty wrote: »

When I was younger my father use to beat me, my bother and sisters with a cane when we became unruly. Didn't do us any harm and he brought us up good and proper to be polite and respectful of others.
W
He sacrificed all of his savings to put all 4 of us through college and now all of us have successful careers. He wanted what was best for us and I am thankful to him for that.

Caning can be very unhygienic when the same cane is being used on a few children. Wooden canes cannot be fully cleaned and as there is always a chance of the skin breaking in use tnus contaminating the cane.if z wooden cane is used, it should be rattan which is flexible and not bamboo which is rigid and mibht shatter. I do not believe in violence towards children.

Feck the unhygenic - caning is wrong.

May be, but if people are doing it they should be hygienic about it. There seems to be more of it going on in the recession.

RussellTuring

Liam Byrne wrote: »

As I clearly stated above and throughout the thread, punching is not discipline!

Grand. So why did you bring up discipline when we were talking about violence?

You were the one who said "maybe he deserved it", trying to make a link that I have repeatedly objected to in this thread.

Smacking =/= punching
Punching =/= discipline

I don't believe that punching is equivalent to smacking (or discipline) but they are both forms of violence. Do you disagree? Also, getting what you deserve is either justice or revenge, not discipline.

And you don't have any authority or obligation to discipline a partner.....you do have to discipline your child.

What exactly do you consider discipline so? And does this necessity to discipline children imply a necessity to smack?

How many times does the above have to be stated before people stop twisting it?

Now that's begging the question.

Liam Byrne

RussellTuring wrote:

Grand. So why did you bring up discipline when we were talking about violence?

I didn't. Another poster "bought it up" re "deserving it" and I replied.

The thread title could be taken multiple ways, and having only been disciplined with the odd snack maybe it wasn't meant to include me. Maybe I'll just bow out altogether and let people who were punched, caned and whatever else just work away, because moderate views obviously aren't welcome.

RussellTuring

Liam Byrne wrote: »

RussellTuring wrote:

Grand. So why did you bring up discipline when we were talking about violence?

I didn't. Another poster "bought it up" re "deserving it" and I replied.

The thread title could be taken multiple ways, and having only been disciplined with the odd snack maybe it wasn't meant to include me. Maybe I'll just bow out altogether and let people who were punched, caned and whatever else just work away, because moderate views obviously aren't welcome.

The point is that you brought up the notion of discipline when the conversation was about violence. Looks like a tacit admission that you equate the two.

doomsday

Yes, I did.
It wasn't unusual back in the day.

BeerWolf

Behaviour of kids nowadays is quite often deplorable compared to a few decades ago, simply because, imo, those people against smacking their child now were those brats back in their day that were smacked.

I'm all for a little discipline of kids being out of order or being bold. A smack on the bum is perfectly fine by me, though I'm totally against actions like usage of a belt and the like... that's completely over the boundary of being abusive.

Liam Byrne

RussellTuring wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

RussellTuring wrote:

Grand. So why did you bring up discipline when we were talking about violence?

I didn't. Another poster "bought it up" re "deserving it" and I replied.

The thread title could be taken multiple ways, and having only been disciplined with the odd snack maybe it wasn't meant to include me. Maybe I'll just bow out altogether and let people who were punched, caned and whatever else just work away, because moderate views obviously aren't welcome.

The point is that you brought up the notion of discipline when the conversation was about violence. Looks like a tacit admission that you equate the two.

Looks like nothing of the sort. That's a pathetic, biased, unfair and unnecessary fabrication.

It's also been clearly refuted already.

So you can continue this attack solo - no point in me replying to someone who refuses to read without projecting or twisting.

Kosseegan

bath handle wrote: »

May be, but if people are doing it they should be hygienic about it. There seems to be more of it going on in the recession.

Nylon canes are perfectly hygeinic if wiped with spirit after use.

doomsday

Kosseegan wrote: »

Nylon canes are perfectly hygeinic if wiped with spirit after use.

You have experience of this? on kids?:mad:

margio

Kosseegan wrote: »

Nylon canes are perfectly hygeinic if wiped with spirit after use.

Never mind the hygenic aspect, caining equates to nothing else but child abuse, and if foreign nationals cain their children they should remember one thing, when in Rome you do what the romans do.

Kosseegan

margio wrote: »

Never mind the hygenic aspect, caining equates to nothing else but child abuse, and if foreign nationals cain their children they should remember one thing, when in Rome you do what the romans do.

The Romans were well able to discipline children.

stovelid

This thread is now so drawn out, some of the anti-smacking zealots probably even have kids by now.

stimpson

stovelid wrote: »

This thread is now so drawn out, some of the anti-smacking zealots probably even have kids by now.

Nice oxymoron. The Zealots were a warmongering Jewish sect. I'm sure they would have zealously approved of smacking their kids.

stovelid

stimpson wrote: »

Nice oxymoron. The Zealots were a warmongering Jewish sect. I'm sure they would have zealously approved of smacking their kids.

How is it an oxymoron? The modern usage of the noun, as quoited, is fine.

Are you really resorting to etymological nit-picking to make a point?

stimpson

stovelid wrote: »

How is it an oxymoron? The modern usage of the noun, as quoited, is fine.

Are you really resorting to etymological nit-picking to make a point?

OK, if you're going to be pedantic about it, the modern definition is

an immoderate fanatical or extremely zealous adherent to a cause

I would think those who advocate methods other than smacking would be the moderates in the debate.

Maybe your post was more moronic than oxymoronic.

stovelid

stimpson wrote: »

OK, if you're going to be pedantic about it, the modern definition is



I would think those who advocate methods other than smacking would be the moderates in the debate.

Maybe your post was more moronic than oxymoronic.

You're just adding insults and semantic straw-clutching to your already exhausted tactic of abuse-porn now.

stimpson

stovelid wrote: »

You're just adding insults and semantic straw-clutching to your already exhausted tactic of abuse-porn now.

Guilty as charged, if you call using facts "semantic straw clutching".

And I didn't insult you. I called your post moronic. You don't have to be a moron to write a moronic post. <- now that's semantic straw clutching

Kosseegan

stimpson wrote: »

OK, if you're going to be pedantic about it, the modern definition is



I would think those who advocate methods other than smacking would be the moderates in the debate.

Maybe your post was more moronic than oxymoronic.

They are far from moderates. They are politically correct do-gooders who are trying to ruin an entire generation with mollycoddling. Another ghastly experiment in interfering with parents rights. At least there are still some people around who know how to rear children properly, but how long can they last against the onslaught of the spoilers.

stimpson

Kosseegan wrote: »

They are far from moderates. They are politically correct do-gooders who are trying to ruin an entire generation with mollycoddling. Another ghastly experiment in interfering with parents rights. At least there are still some people around who know how to rear children properly, but how long can they last against the onslaught of the spoilers.

Why don't you have a cup of tea and a nice lie down. There's a good chap.

Kosseegan

stimpson wrote: »

Why don't you have a cup of tea and a nice lie down. There's a good chap.

Because I have more to do than you, obviously.

stimpson

Kosseegan wrote: »

Because I have more to do than you, obviously.

It's amazing how much time you save by not beating your children.

stovelid

stimpson wrote: »

It's amazing how much time you save by not beating your children.

I think this is what's called the discursive dregs of the thread.

Needs to be locked at this stage.

MungBean

stovelid wrote: »

I think this is what's called the discursive dregs of the thread.

Needs to be locked at this stage.

Doesnt need to be locked, the people who have no interest in the discussion just need to move on.

bath handle

stimpson wrote: »

Kosseegan wrote: »

Because I have more to do than you, obviously.

It's amazing how much time you save by not beating your children.

When did you stop beating yours?

stimpson

bath handle wrote: »

When did you stop beating yours?

I never need to.

Chuck Stone

MungBean wrote: »

Doesnt need to be locked, the people who have no interest in the discussion just need to move on.

In fairness I think the arguments have become circular and irresolvable.

If a mod wants to lock it up I'm perfectly fine with it.

(I hate this thread so every time it hits the front page I'm like 'ah FFS')

Either way, I'm out.

bath handle

stimpson wrote: »

bath handle wrote: »

When did you stop beating yours?

I never need to.

That implies that if you "needed to" , you would.

stimpson

bath handle wrote: »

That implies that if you "needed to" , you would.

I don't see that it's any more effective than non violent methods, therefore I don't see that I'll ever "need to".

lividduck

Yup,I was.

lividduck

Kosseegan wrote: »

Nylon canes are perfectly hygeinic if wiped with spirit after use.

Where can you purchase them?

boobar

Not my parents....no.

LH Pathe

Hit, thats putting it polite I got whacked n here I am, back from the dead but nevermind that shït...

cuz there's kids out there right now getting hit on, by thier parents. some perspective.

jay phelan

Yeah a little smack if I was really bold. Although I never thought it harmed me in the long run I wouldn't be able to do it to my own kids.

brownlad

im black and i got my ass BEAT !

vixen chaser

Ireland has become a complete joke. Parents giving their kids a good wallop has become a taboo subject. People are writing in here and to other forms of media complaining that they saw a person hitting a child in public, big deal and fair play to them. I was watching the snapper last night, a great film but my point been is it showed how family life used to be in this country. Colm Meaney's charcter Dessie Curley giving the kids a clip around the ear when they acted the bollix. If that happened in a modern film, there would be blue murder. That's how I was raised, but unfortunately I won't be able to raise my kids that way when I have some, but as long as the law allows me I will be giving them a wallop across the legs. Ireland has gone down the drain especially since the Mellenium. To make matters worse there is a blanket ban of smacking kids in Ireland being mooted, so tell me this anti smacking do gooders, if my child committs a crime and the Judge makes me legally responsible for his actions, and if I attempt to put him in line by giving him or her a slap or two, then I am the criminal, so where is the justice there?. When I was a young fellow and I stepped out of line I knew about it. My Father showed me right from wrong with his hand and the odd time with his leather belt. I have the highest respect for him. I know he didn't enjoy doing it, but I had to learn right from wrong, and it was his job to do it. In school we were also taught respect, and given a good clatter when we deserved it. Today I consider myself a well mannered young man with morals, which is obviously lacking in kids these days. My Father worked himself to the bone, and my two Brothers and four Sisters were all put through college, and I now have a successful career paved out for myself at age 30. I have yet to bash someone's brains in and I have no anger issues of any kind. I look back at how I was discliplined by my Father favourably, he is my hero in life and if people don't like my views, just get over it. I had the perfect Irish childhood. We were fairly poor/working class but most of all we were happy, and nobody who considers my Father a child abuser because of how he put me in line dont know what they are talking about.

little feat

I have a 7 year old boy myself and I've never once felt the need to clip him, my own Dad tried to be a disciplinarian but never really had the stomach for it. I find if you treat children with respect and explain to them what they are doing wrong they will respond although you may have to repeat the message.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

vixen chaser wrote: »

Ireland has become a complete joke. Parents giving their kids a good wallop has become a taboo subject. People are writing in here and to other forms of media complaining that they saw a person hitting a child in public, big deal and fair play to them. I was watching the snapper last night, a great film but my point been is it showed how family life used to be in this country. Colm Meaney's charcter Dessie Curley giving the kids a clip around the ear when they acted the bollix. If that happened in a modern film, there would be blue murder. That's how I was raised, but unfortunately I won't be able to raise my kids that way when I have some, but as long as the law allows me I will be giving them a wallop across the legs. Ireland has gone down the drain especially since the Mellenium. To make matters worse there is a blanket ban of smacking kids in Ireland being mooted, so tell me this anti smacking do gooders, if my child committs a crime and the Judge makes me legally responsible for his actions, and if I attempt to put him in line by giving him or her a slap or two, then I am the criminal, so where is the justice there?. When I was a young fellow and I stepped out of line I knew about it. My Father showed me right from wrong with his hand and the odd time with his leather belt. I have the highest respect for him. I know he didn't enjoy doing it, but I had to learn right from wrong, and it was his job to do it. In school we were also taught respect, and given a good clatter when we deserved it. Today I consider myself a well mannered young man with morals, which is obviously lacking in kids these days. My Father worked himself to the bone, and my two Brothers and four Sisters were all put through college, and I now have a successful career paved out for myself at age 30. I have yet to bash someone's brains in and I have no anger issues of any kind. I look back at how I was discliplined by my Father favourably, he is my hero in life and if people don't like my views, just get over it. I had the perfect Irish childhood. We were fairly poor/working class but most of all we were happy, and nobody who considers my Father a child abuser because of how he put me in line dont know what they are talking about.

Is your father a priest?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you're not a troll, so:

1 - The Snapper is just a movie
2 - Ireland going down the drain was down to economic reasons, nothing to do with the topic
3 - Regardign the criminology question, if you slap your child you will not be prosecuted, if you abuse them you will. You do not say how hard you would slap them so I can't comment any further.

vixen chaser

We both know, that Ireland has gone down the drain, long before the recession. I would like to be able to slap my kids as hard as it would take, to make sure they knew not to do it again, but no, the do gooders with their hippy methods of child rearing would make sure I'm made an example of. I defend my views with a heart and a half

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

vixen chaser wrote: »

We both know, that Ireland has gone down the drain, long before the recession. I would like to be able to slap my kids as hard as it would take, to make sure they knew not to do it again, but no, the do gooders with their hippy methods of child rearing would make sure I'm made an example of. I defend my views with a heart and a half

1 - No it hadn't.
2 - You still don't say how hard "it would take". Perhaps you are legally allowed to do this?
3 - Not smacking is not a "hippy method".

vixen chaser

I know the snapper is just a movie, but it reflected how kids were reared back then, instead of now with a xbox in one hand and a big mac in the other and a mouth that knows nothing else but to back answer, but look the kids are not to blame

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

vixen chaser wrote: »

I know the snapper is just a movie, but it reflected how kids were reared back then, instead of now with a xbox in one hand and a big mac in the other and a mouth that knows nothing else but to back answer, but look the kids are not to blame

Not sure who these kids you mention are?

vixen chaser

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

1 - No it hadn't.
2 - You still don't say how hard "it would take". Perhaps you are legally allowed to do this?
3 - Not smacking is not a "hippy method".

Yes it has, someone brought it up very early in the thread, or else another one about the fact that you never see a child get up and offer a seat to an elderly person or hold the door for someone. Then there is that brats that hang around the streets obviously upto no good

vixen chaser

And no, my Father is not a Priest. Why would you ask such a thing?. I had the same childhood as all my friends, who also respect their parents

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

vixen chaser wrote: »

Yes it has, someone brought it up very early in the thread, or else another one about the fact that you never see a child get up and offer a seat to an elderly person or hold the door for someone. Then there is that brats that hang around the streets obviously upto no good

There is no creidble link between child morality or lack thereof and Ireland "going down the drain". Especially considering the law on dsicplining children hasn't actually changed all that recently.

If there is such a deline I would say there are for more likely reasons to cause it, number one being a failure to teach kids right from wrong and too much tolerance of inappropriate media in a child's life. Being forced to act out of fear doesn't really teach them anything morally speaking, and that's irrespective of what method of disciplline you use.

vixen chaser wrote: »

And no, my Father is not a Priest. Why would you ask such a thing?. I had the same childhood as all my friends, who also respect their parents

Because you keep capitalising the f in father.

LH Pathe

I lashed out at my ma the other nite. I said ma; just cut the end of my hair round the back there fückd if I am goin to the barbers. So there was I all composed in the chair n she went grrrrr n pulled it; the old red mist came down and I boxed her in the head

fleeting moment of madness. Just one of those things..

vixen chaser

You are very observant. No he was just an ordinary man, but a great man. I thought the word father needed a capital letter, sorry I checked it there and it doesn't. Look I know people that have kids and trust me I can always pick out the ones that are smacked. I have Nephews and Nieces and some of my friends have kids also. The ones who were never got a slap are mouthy and blatantly disobedient. The ones who get the slap when it's warranted are the exact opposite. Now I'm not sorry if my views upset people, and if I ever have kids I will smack them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

vixen chaser wrote: »

You are very observant. No he was just an ordinary man, but a great man. I thought the word father needed a capital letter, sorry I checked it there and it doesn't. Look I know people that have kids and trust me I can always pick out the ones that are smacked. I have Nephews and Nieces and some of my friends have kids also. The ones who were never got a slap are mouthy and blatantly disobedient. The ones who get the slap when it's warranted are the exact opposite. Now I'm not sorry if my views upset people, and if I ever have kids I will smack them.

Sorry for being the grammar Nazi .

When you say these kids were not smacked, do you mean not dsiciplined at all or not smacked? If they were, what dsicplinary methods do their parents use and why dont they work?

I ask because you seem to be making a direct connection between not smacking and unruly behaviour, as if a child is incapable of good behaviour unless smacked.

Also, how do you explain the fact that in countries that have banned smacking, they manage to bring up moral-abiding children anyway?

inagoodway

i grew up in the eighties and it was normal then to get beaten, not with a closed fist, but with an open hand or a belt,

it surely helped keep me out of more serious trouble,

but in the year 2012 i find reverse psychology and normal psychology is a better way to discipline children, or to show them the way, as it were.

Babybuff

I will never slap my kid. There was one occasion when she was about 12 where it was warranted and she felt my palm on her face but I knew the moment it happened it would never happen again and I apologised profusely. She is a good kid, for the most part she never needed a slap. That one time it happened I know that it was partially my anger that motivated my response and that's why I knew it was wrong.

Slapping is not a way of disciplining a child, it's a way for an adult to express their anger/frustration at a situation and while the child might be the root cause of it an adult should have found better way's of responding to it.

My child isn't mouthy or disobedient, she's not exactly a saint either but her intentions are good. She's ended up being fairly strong minded/willed, can communicate better than most adults I know, knows what she wants and has great determination and a talent for being able to deliberate and most usually will win any argument put before her, things which would under normal circumstances cause most parents to go mad. I see them as character traits that help her succeed in life. She's grown up into a confident young woman, she knows the difference between right and wrong (most of the time) and she's kind, gentle and smart too, which helps.