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LETS ALL LAUGH AT PEOPLE WITH DEPRESSION!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Greycat


    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Greycat wrote: »
    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey

    Aware would be the first group i'd contact, also keep posting here anytime, we'll do our best.. There's also a thread in the long term illness forum (under science heading) for anxiety/depression which you might find useful..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Aware would be the first group i'd contact, also keep posting here anytime, we'll do our best.. There's also a thread in the long term illness forum (under science heading) for anxiety/depression which you might find useful..

    yep, definitely Aware is who I'd be thinking of too.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Greycat wrote: »
    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey

    I haev heard good things about the group GROW aswell. In the Psych services section of portlaoise hopital last week I did see an advertisement for a group that catered for partners of people that suffer with depression but I can't remember the name, if I do I will post it asap.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    I must also say thanks to Dev for starting all this off. Reading this thread 6+ months ago made me go to my GP and gave me the courage to talk about my mental health and if it wasn't here then maybe I wouldn't be here now typing this message so to Dev and all the contributors in this thread thank you so much.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Greycat wrote: »
    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey

    In a similar situation myself, my daughter has depression and anxiety and we are finding it hard to get proper help. I've had depression in the past, been doing well for months now but I can feel myself starting to slide. I haven't been able to find much support for the carers of sufferers. I hope you get through it, your partner is lucky to have you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,915 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    eviltwin wrote: »
    In a similar situation myself, my daughter has depression and anxiety and we are finding it hard to get proper help. I've had depression in the past, been doing well for months now but I can feel myself starting to slide. I haven't been able to find much support for the carers of sufferers. I hope you get through it, your partner is lucky to have you.

    +1.
    Same here, I don't have depression but like your daughter, my son does, and anxiety and panic attacks , but to name a few :)

    I have posted in here a good few times , and am grateful for the advice and support I have gotten to be honest. Just someone listening. (reading), makes a difference and can give you a sense of - ok I can cope with this today , if that makes sense :)

    you look after yourself also eviltwin, Hope you start to feel a little better soon.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Greycat wrote: »
    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey

    Grey, once you listen to your partner and understand them thats the majority of the battle in itself. If you feel like you don't understand then maybe go to the GP when your partner is going into them and ask them about local groups you and your partner could attend together. Once you are in it together it will all get easier.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    In a similar situation myself, my daughter has depression and anxiety and we are finding it hard to get proper help. I've had depression in the past, been doing well for months now but I can feel myself starting to slide. I haven't been able to find much support for the carers of sufferers. I hope you get through it, your partner is lucky to have you.

    Mam of 4 wrote: »
    +1.
    Same here, I don't have depression but like your daughter, my son does, and anxiety and panic attacks , but to name a few :)

    I have posted in here a good few times , and am grateful for the advice and support I have gotten to be honest. Just someone listening. (reading), makes a difference and can give you a sense of - ok I can cope with this today , if that makes sense :)

    you look after yourself also eviltwin, Hope you start to feel a little better soon.

    Guys the best thing I can say to you is to talk openly on boards for advice and maybe talk to others who are in your position.

    Mam of 4, i know there is a group for parents of depression suffers, I will try get you the details but I think it is in Tullamore :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,915 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    jonny24ie wrote: »
    Guys the best thing I can say to you is to talk openly on boards for advice and maybe talk to others who are in your position.

    Mam of 4, i know there is a group for parents of depression suffers, I will try get you the details but I think it is in Tullamore :)

    Ah thank you jonny24 , but I doubt I'd be able to get to them anyway but I really appreciate your kind thoughts !!

    Good to know you're doing ok , this genuinely is the best thread on Boards, imo.
    Think it truly helps so many people in so many different ways .


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Greycat wrote: »
    I don't want to intrude on this thread as I myself don't suffer from depression, but my partner has, and so I was wondering if anyone could reccommend a support group or service for partners of people with depression, or if it's possible to ask questions here? I'm nearing my wits end with my partner and through no fault of theirs, I can see us heading for a separation if I don't find some way of venting and getting sound advice on how to deal with situations. Thanks,
    Grey
    Please don't feel like you are intruding at all, the OP of this thread has a whole section for people who are dealing with someone they care about who has depression. Its just as important that people around them have understanding and the awareness to help them in the right direction if and when they do want to talk. You're certainly very welcome here!

    Johnny, thanks, it means a lot when people say that to me but really, this thread has paid me back a hundred fold already!


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Been a while since I posted here.

    I recently had my dosage of Efexor reduced from 150mg down to 75mg, so it looks like I'm on the closing stretch. I'm still not able to effectively manage my life without the need for medication but I do feel like I'm getting closer, so that's something I guess?

    What's mainly getting me down right now is loneliness. :( I spoke previously about a friend I had feelings for, and long story short we got our wires crossed and we're not friends anymore by the looks of things. I signed up for meetup.com but talk myself out of going to meetings, telling myself that I shouldn't try to find friends until I can make a "better" version of myself. After all, why would anyone want to be my friend if I'm not willing to be my own?

    I also signed up for a gym programme but it's only one week in and I'm feeling deflated and demotivated. I had told myself I'd get up early today and go to the gym for a bit of extra training; sure enough, I woke up quite early but instead ended up staying in bed all day. :( Even though I feel like I've made some progress over the past year or so, it doesn't feel like it's been quick enough, and the older I get the less patience I have. How people keep up their motivation to keep going without folding back into old ways I never know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Been a while since I posted here.

    I recently had my dosage of Efexor reduced from 150mg down to 75mg, so it looks like I'm on the closing stretch. I'm still not able to effectively manage my life without the need for medication but I do feel like I'm getting closer, so that's something I guess?

    What's mainly getting me down right now is loneliness. :( I spoke previously about a friend I had feelings for, and long story short we got our wires crossed and we're not friends anymore by the looks of things. I signed up for meetup.com but talk myself out of going to meetings, telling myself that I shouldn't try to find friends until I can make a "better" version of myself. After all, why would anyone want to be my friend if I'm not willing to be my own?

    I also signed up for a gym programme but it's only one week in and I'm feeling deflated and demotivated. I had told myself I'd get up early today and go to the gym for a bit of extra training; sure enough, I woke up quite early but instead ended up staying in bed all day. :( Even though I feel like I've made some progress over the past year or so, it doesn't feel like it's been quick enough, and the older I get the less patience I have. How people keep up their motivation to keep going without folding back into old ways I never know.

    hi

    i dont mean to be rude but one cannot force themselves to have friends. If one goes out to try and make friends they will not. It is spontaneous. To be liked one has to first like themselves. The moral being one will find friendship when they are not looking


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Roquentin wrote: »
    hi

    i dont mean to be rude but one cannot force themselves to have friends. If one goes out to try and make friends they will not. It is spontaneous. To be liked one has to first like themselves. The moral being one will find friendship when they are not looking

    Well I don't think you're being rude at all but I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. After all, the whole point of sites like meetup is for going out and meeting new people; I'm not gonna make friends if I keep entirely to myself and don't make an effort to engage with others, and that's kinda what I'm doing right now because I want to try and "like" myself a bit more first before throwing myself out there at the mercy of others.

    I've never spontaneously made friends, acquaintances maybe but not proper friends. The person who I would count as probably my best friend lives in England, so I don't get to see him that often. And the only proper friend I had that I met up with regularly was the one I mentioned in my last post. :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Well I don't think you're being rude at all but I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. After all, the whole point of sites like meetup is for going out and meeting new people; I'm not gonna make friends if I keep entirely to myself and don't make an effort to engage with others, and that's kinda what I'm doing right now because I want to try and "like" myself a bit more first before throwing myself out there at the mercy of others.

    I've never spontaneously made friends, acquaintances maybe but not proper friends. The person who I would count as probably my best friend lives in England, so I don't get to see him that often. And the only proper friend I had that I met up with regularly was the one I mentioned in my last post. :(

    im not saying dont go out. im saying dont go out to make friends. instead go out to enjoy yourself and you will make friends.

    if one consciously tries to force the issue, you put yourself under pressure. If one tries to force themselves to sleep, they will fail. the trick is to just relax and eventually one falls asleep.

    most things in life rely on instinct. if we consciously try to force the issue we fail.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    As far as friendships go... you have to put yourself in positions where they can happen. That means socialising, getting out there and creating the opportunity for it to happen.

    Motivation, that's a toughie but give the gym a chance, try to really exhaust yourself there, there is a lovely peace and quiet that comes when you are just too tired to maintain the whirlwind of thoughts.
    What I do is simply not listen to myself when I start to "talk myself out of it". Get bloody-minded. Get thick about it. Stick your head down and go, don't even enter into the discussion with yourself, its just not up for debate. Be it the gym or a meetup or whatever. Grit your teeth and do it. No argument.

    That is how you hurt the hobgoblin (my word for the nasty in my head). He doesn't want you to be happy, he doesn't want you to go out, he wants you all to himself, nice and depressed and demotivated. He's the one who whispers in your ear not to go, not to get out of bed.

    Know your enemy.
    How you hurt him is not listening to him. He'll hate it. He'll howl. Feck him, do it anyway. Enjoy the pain he will share with you (because he'll try his damnedest to share the pain with you), enjoy it because its the feeling of victory over this little bastard who has held you back from your life for so so long. Hurt him. Do all the things he doesn't want you to do. Savour the fight because it gets a little easier each time and he gets a little weaker. Don't listen to him, set your course and drive onwards with it. Every time he trys to tell you not to go, go twice that week.
    This is your life, fight him for it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah I know making friends requires effort but right now I feel like I need to improve myself somehow before I'm "deserving" of friends. The loneliness can be a killer but I don't see myself making too many friends until I "like" myself a bit more. Losing a friend to unrequited feelings is a bitch though, I think I've just been completely deflated by that this week. :(
    DeVore wrote: »

    Motivation, that's a toughie but give the gym a chance, try to really exhaust yourself there, there is a lovely peace and quiet that comes when you are just too tired to maintain the whirlwind of thoughts.
    What I do is simply not listen to myself when I start to "talk myself out of it". Get bloody-minded. Get thick about it. Stick your head down and go, don't even enter into the discussion with yourself, its just not up for debate. Be it the gym or a meetup or whatever. Grit your teeth and do it. No argument.

    That is how you hurt the hobgoblin (my word for the nasty in my head). He doesn't want you to be happy, he doesn't want you to go out, he wants you all to himself, nice and depressed and demotivated. He's the one who whispers in your ear not to go, not to get out of bed.

    Know your enemy.
    How you hurt him is not listening to him. He'll hate it. He'll howl. Feck him, do it anyway. Enjoy the pain he will share with you (because he'll try his damnedest to share the pain with you), enjoy it because its the feeling of victory over this little bastard who has held you back from your life for so so long. Hurt him. Do all the things he doesn't want you to do. Savour the fight because it gets a little easier each time and he gets a little weaker. Don't listen to him, set your course and drive onwards with it. Every time he trys to tell you not to go, go twice that week.
    This is your life, fight him for it.

    I think I need to print this out and put it somewhere by my bed where I can read it every morning when I need to.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Losing a friend that way hurts, but in a sense it *should* hurt, that's right and proper. Whats not right is if you "wallow" in it (again, more of my homebrewed language!).

    If you think printing it out will help you, do it! (No copyright here :) ).
    Seriously, do whatever you think will help you in this fight. Doesn't matter how stupid it feels or how much you don't want to do it (I hated the idea of counselling). Just get thick about it, put your pride away and do it. You're in a fight, the prize is your one and only life, stop pulling your punches. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    I just can't wait for today to be over, it's seemed like the longest day ever. Hoping tomorrow will be better!


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I just can't wait for today to be over, it's seemed like the longest day ever. Hoping tomorrow will be better!

    It has to be.

    Think about it. If today was so bad.... well, tomorrow has got to be better.
    I used to crawl into bed, pull the covers over my head and darkly joke with myself "we'll call that a draw".

    Hope things look up for you.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Guys, I heard on the radio this morning that in today's Irish Independant there is a segment for relatives of those suffering with depression.

    Might be helpful to some on here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭picaaf


    DeVore wrote: »
    It has to be.

    Think about it. If today was so bad.... well, tomorrow has got to be better.
    I used to crawl into bed, pull the covers over my head and darkly joke with myself "we'll call that a draw".

    Hope things look up for you.

    ;) we'd call that "going under cover" ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Greycat


    Hi everyone,
    Thanks for all the advice and recommendations, I tried to get back to answer sooner but managed to forget my login :o and then I ran out of 'thanks' for everyone.
    Today's a bit better, though to be honest the frustrations just seething away under the surface. A part of this is because my partner won't go to see anyone, a GP or otherwise for help with this, (they had a very poor experience prior to this which scarred them, and the idea of medication is abhorrent to them as a result), and I'm very aware that you can't make anyone attend a Dr's office. In the back of my mind though I feel like shouting at them that possibly this time it'll be different and there will be help, but I don't. We've discussed it during the up moments and the down moments, and each time it comes back to them being 'fine' and 'able to cope'.
    The second possibly more frustrating part is the, I'm not sure if this is the correct wording, but well, loneliness of it all. My partner has no interests in anything physical, so it's been a long while since we've had any form of sexual contact. They will kiss me, but most times it's affectionate kisses on the cheek, lips or forehead, rather than a lasting snog if that makes sense? Not that I want the face worn off me all the time but more than once in a while would be nice :o. I'm regularly told that I'm loved, and I do believe that, with all my heart, else I wouldn't still be here, but still, it's frustrating, not only in a physical sense, but in a 'wait, what??' sense, when we're having discussions about feelings or such and I'm told 'ah I only really feel neutral most of the time' to other things.
    So, aye, that was a bit of a rant. Thanks for reading, and thanks again for the recommendations, I've looked at the Aware site and there's very very useful stuff there. Admittedly it does essentially start with 'get thee to a gp', and we may be a way away from that yet but still, thanks again :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,165 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Yeah a very common hurdle is the doctor itself.. One bad experience can colour your opinion of future visits.. How would they react if they were going to somewhere with depression as their primary concern? I'm thinking pieta house if there's one local or again back to aware to advise you of specialists in your area.. As for intimacy, that does tend to fade into the background with this illness as in my case I feel very worthless and unlovable most of the time.. It could be to your benefit to attend a support group yourself.. In fact if your partner sees you doing that perhaps it might help spur them on..

    Pm anytime if you want to tall further I hope even a small bit of help happened..


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    Good news my eye is looking great

    I'm just getting fed up of waiting to go back to work


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Greycat wrote: »
    Hi everyone,
    Thanks for all the advice and recommendations, I tried to get back to answer sooner but managed to forget my login :o and then I ran out of 'thanks' for everyone.
    Today's a bit better, though to be honest the frustrations just seething away under the surface. A part of this is because my partner won't go to see anyone, a GP or otherwise for help with this, (they had a very poor experience prior to this which scarred them, and the idea of medication is abhorrent to them as a result), and I'm very aware that you can't make anyone attend a Dr's office. In the back of my mind though I feel like shouting at them that possibly this time it'll be different and there will be help, but I don't. We've discussed it during the up moments and the down moments, and each time it comes back to them being 'fine' and 'able to cope'.
    The second possibly more frustrating part is the, I'm not sure if this is the correct wording, but well, loneliness of it all. My partner has no interests in anything physical, so it's been a long while since we've had any form of sexual contact. They will kiss me, but most times it's affectionate kisses on the cheek, lips or forehead, rather than a lasting snog if that makes sense? Not that I want the face worn off me all the time but more than once in a while would be nice :o. I'm regularly told that I'm loved, and I do believe that, with all my heart, else I wouldn't still be here, but still, it's frustrating, not only in a physical sense, but in a 'wait, what??' sense, when we're having discussions about feelings or such and I'm told 'ah I only really feel neutral most of the time' to other things.
    So, aye, that was a bit of a rant. Thanks for reading, and thanks again for the recommendations, I've looked at the Aware site and there's very very useful stuff there. Admittedly it does essentially start with 'get thee to a gp', and we may be a way away from that yet but still, thanks again :)


    Grey, did you happen to read the segment in the Indo yesterday? If not drop me a PM with your email and I will forward it on to you, I thought it was very useful for people in your position. Going to the GP about it is the hardest thing to do but once that happens things will get easier for your partner :)


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    On a side note I got a letter from the hospital yesterday, I am going to be waiting at least 6 to 9 months for a Psychological assessment, Im not going to let it get me down but that time frame is just a joke in fairness.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    That time frame IS a joke... if you can manage it, try and see a private counsellor. They probably wont cost more than 50 notes a session and twice a month is manageable...


    Going to see the doc/seeking help IS the best thing you can do for your partner I know a very close and dear family where the father was severely depressed and his wife suffered greatly with it and with the kids needing her attention too. a few years ago he got help and treatment and worked at it and now you should see him now with his kids and his wife... their lives are immeasurably better because of some pretty straightforward counselling and some work from him.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    DeVore wrote: »
    That time frame IS a joke... if you can manage it, try and see a private counsellor. They probably wont cost more than 50 notes a session and twice a month is manageable...


    Going to see the doc/seeking help IS the best thing you can do for your partner I know a very close and dear family where the father was severely depressed and his wife suffered greatly with it and with the kids needing her attention too. a few years ago he got help and treatment and worked at it and now you should see him now with his kids and his wife... their lives are immeasurably better because of some pretty straightforward counselling and some work from him.

    Dev, I will still be seeing the consultant before that from what I believe, this is just a Psychological assesment to see if there is something more wrong. If I have to go private I will but I will contact them on Thursday when I'm off work and see whats going on cos I was led to believe I was going to be seen just after easter.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    DeVore wrote: »
    Losing a friend that way hurts, but in a sense it *should* hurt, that's right and proper. Whats not right is if you "wallow" in it (again, more of my homebrewed language!).

    If you think printing it out will help you, do it! (No copyright here :) ).
    Seriously, do whatever you think will help you in this fight. Doesn't matter how stupid it feels or how much you don't want to do it (I hated the idea of counselling). Just get thick about it, put your pride away and do it. You're in a fight, the prize is your one and only life, stop pulling your punches. :)

    I get wallowing in it isn't the right thing to do. If I think objectively then I can understand that perfectly, and it's what I'd say to anyone else in the same situation. Unfortunately, I can't just think objectively. And subjectively wallowing is all I want to do right now. :( I've been broken up with before, and that sucked majorly, but this hurts more for some reason; we weren't even in a relationship and yet I miss him so much. The fact that he was pretty much my only friend who lived nearby just increases the sense of loneliness.

    I'd love to just be able to shrug my shoulders and say "**** happens" and get on with life but it's much easier said than done (like most things in life, I guess!). I've tried mindfulness and CBT techniques before and they didn't seem to do that much for me, though it might be because I was too cynical and stubborn to let them. Right now, I just feel like typing stuff here is about as close to a positive step as I can take right now.


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Yeah, unfortunately it might be straightforward to say but its pretty damned hard to do.

    The CBT/Mindfulness stuff needs you to buy into it or you are going to bail on it before it gets a chance to work.

    I wrote before about a similar situation with a friend of mine and [url=
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92687548&postcount=6416]frying the fish[/url] , its the closest experience I can offer to yours...

    I know its hard to be objective now, but that's what you need to do because your emotional side is a bit off kilter now, so you need to rely more on objectivity.

    Bounce back soon...


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