The new trafic mess on the Quay.

iseegirls

Max Powers wrote: »

Frankly, these hysterical threats are ridiculous, drive 50+kms to kk and what expect zero traffic there, silly talk and also silly talk from locals who need to and meant to support their city for their and their families benefit. Quit these silly illogical threats people

Agreed. Kilkenny is a nightmare to drive through as well. Try getting to Dunnes Stores car park there, without facing many lights, roundabouts and long tailbacks.

The Greenway is an amazing enhancement to our county, and linking it to the city is excellent, which will help businesses towards that end of the quay.

alta stare

Max Powers wrote: »

Frankly, these hysterical threats are ridiculous, drive 50+kms to kk and what expect zero traffic there, silly talk and also silly talk from locals who need to and meant to support their city for their and their families benefit. Quit these silly illogical threats people

But to be fair they arent ridiculous. If you drive to kilkenny for shopping it is very easy and quick to get from the motorway to mcdonagh junction. From there the centre is a 5 min walk or if a drive is needed a 2min drive. Personally i wouldn't drive up to kk to do shopping i would shop local but the traffic by the bridge will be mayhem in the mornings and evenings. I see it every day.

It takes me 35mins to get from where i live to the centre of town each morning. If there is light traffic it takes me 10mins. Anymore conjestion on the bridge or the quays and it will be an absolute nightmare in the mornings.

lassykk

Max Powers wrote: »

Frankly, these hysterical threats are ridiculous, drive 50+kms to kk and what expect zero traffic there, silly talk and also silly talk from locals who need to and meant to support their city for their and their families benefit. Quit these silly illogical threats people

It's not silly talk in the slightest. I can drive from where I live (clearly not in Waterford as I talk about crossing the bridge) to the Aldi and Lidl in Kilkenny quicker than I can get out to Aldi/Lidl on the Dunmore Road due to the stupid road layout.

They are not illogical threats and I'm in no way hysterical.

I see no reason to support the city of Waterford if they continue to do things to make it impossible to support them. I have no problems with the Greenway existing but it has zero benefit to me or my family and the proposed road layout is a major hindrance to me.

lassykk

Max Powers wrote: »

Frankly, these hysterical threats are ridiculous, drive 50+kms to kk and what expect zero traffic there, silly talk and also silly talk from locals who need to and meant to support their city for their and their families benefit. Quit these silly illogical threats people

Also, just out of interest... Do the proposed changes affect your daily life in the slightest?

I'm not bothered reading back far enough through this but my memory of this thread is that you are in favour of every proposed change.

Do you have to travel any of the routes affected?

If I lived on the Dunmore Road (not a dig at anyone on the Dunmore road) and worked somewhere off the ring road (estate, etc) it would be very easy for me to say how great all the changes are too.

Max Powers

lassykk wrote: »

It's not silly talk in the slightest. I can drive from where I live (clearly not in Waterford as I talk about crossing the bridge) to the Aldi and Lidl in Kilkenny quicker than I can get out to Aldi/Lidl on the Dunmore Road due to the stupid road layout.

They are not illogical threats and I'm in no way hysterical.

I see no reason to support the city of Waterford if they continue to do things to make it impossible to support them. I have no problems with the Greenway existing but it has zero benefit to me or my family and the proposed road layout is a major hindrance to me.

You see no reason to support the city nearest you where you and your family /friends use, possibly socialise in, possibly educated in,get the benefit of its services, jobs for you or family members or friends,, etc.. Is this the most short sighted comment / attitude I have ever read by someone in the Waterford city boards.

There is lidl/aldi in the Glen, ferrybank, by RSC handy for you rather than for some bizarre reason heading for dunmore road or even more bizzare kk.

TheQuietFella

Look Max, the majority of people have no confidence in ANY decisions now

being made by Waterford CC. That Bridge was nothing more than a money

making exercise and when it wasn't getting enough traffic the Quays were

played with to make it more difficult to travel on and now they are diverting

all traffic down Bridge Street! Can you imagine it on Fridays?

Total gridlock extending along all the Quays and roads leading to Bridge St'

I would safely assume that it would be quicker going to Carlow and back then

heading to Waterford for any type of purchase!

In my opinion WCC should just blow up the bridge and that would leave

everyone with just one option.

lassykk

Max Powers wrote: »

You see no reason to support the city nearest you where you and your family /friends use, possibly socialise in, possibly educated in,get the benefit of its services, jobs for you or family members or friends,, etc.. Is this the most short sighted comment / attitude I have ever read by someone in the Waterford city boards.

There is lidl/aldi in the Glen, ferrybank, by RSC handy for you rather than for some bizarre reason heading for dunmore road or even more bizzare kk.

Sorry I may not have articulated myself well in my comment where I implied I was not willing to support Waterford full stop. I meant that I would not be willing to support a city that is going out of its way to make life difficult for those who need to travel to/from it. If the council wish to keep people out of the city that have to cross the bridge to get there then they will be achieving their goal.

My preference for going to the Dunmore Road Aldi/Lidl is that both are in the same place and despite the travel congestion it is quicker to get to those two than to get to the ones on the Cork Road. That's just a personal preference though so not expecting others to agree on this.

TheQuietFella

lassykk wrote: »

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Very well said!

Harry Palmr

That hulking edifice just inside the Kilkenny border may yet find a market if the Waterford CoCo makes getting into town much harder from that side of the river.

Max Powers

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Look Max, the majority of people have no confidence in ANY decisions now

being made by Waterford CC. That Bridge was nothing more than a money

making exercise and when it wasn't getting enough traffic the Quays were

played with to make it more difficult to travel on and now they are diverting

all traffic down Bridge Street! Can you imagine it on Fridays?

Total gridlock extending along all the Quays and roads leading to Bridge St'

I would safely assume that it would be quicker going to Carlow and back then

heading to Waterford for any type of purchase!

In my opinion WCC should just blow up the bridge and that would leave

everyone with just one option.

Ferrybank to carlow quicker than ferrybank to the quays, that is an incorrect assumption, no matter what traffic level.
it's hard to credit this giving out about the suir bridge when we campaigned for decades for it ,branding it a cash making scheme, for a start, the council or govt is not making on it, no offence but that's silly talk.
is this about people travelling through the city, not into the city, certainly seems so, not people spending money in the city, possibly working out on the cork road/IDA/WHEREVER.if so, this hysterical yelling about taking my business, going to lidl in carlow,kk, New Ross totally not credible.

TheQuietFella

Max Powers wrote: »

Ferrybank to carlow quicker than ferrybank to the quays, that is an incorrect assumption, no matter what traffic level.
it's hard to credit this giving out about the suir bridge when we campaigned for decades for it ,branding it a cash making scheme, for a start, the council or govt is not making on it, no offence but that's silly talk.
is this about people travelling through the city, not into the city, certainly seems so, not people spending money in the city, possibly working out on the cork road/IDA/WHEREVER.if so, this hysterical yelling about taking my business, going to lidl in carlow,kk, New Ross totally not credible.

We were 'looking' for a second river crossing Max to be positioned along the Quays Max and not out in the countryside where it currently resides!

Max Powers

TheQuietFella wrote: »

We were 'looking' for a second river crossing Max to be positioned along the Quays Max and not out in the countryside where it currently resides!

Not too sure about that,a second vehicle river bridge on the quays as opposed to the suir bridge would surely increase traffic on the quays and in the city centre, the very thing people here give out about.a second river crossing on the quays would also mean no city bypass so bringing more heavy vehicles and thru traffic into the city adding nothing to the city.

TheQuietFella

Max Powers wrote: »

Not too sure about that,a second vehicle river bridge on the quays as opposed to the suir bridge would surely increase traffic on the quays and in the city centre, the very thing people here give out about.a second river crossing on the quays would also mean no city bypass so bringing more heavy vehicles and thru traffic into the city adding nothing to the city.

Ok, I agree with you regarding the HGV's but a second river crossing was a must for the city!

Max Powers

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Ok, I agree with you regarding the HGV's but a second river crossing was a must for the city!

I don't know where you and others would stand but I hope next river crossing is the pedestrian one much mooted...would be especially useful for ferrybank residents and north quays.

longshanks

Here is my idea to get people to use the toll bridge.

Charge a nominal fee of say e100 for the year. That would make the toll affordable to anyone with a car. Numbers using the new bridge would then rise dramatically I'd imagine.
The way the tolling operation is set up is that it is supposed to generate a certain amount of profit for the year, any shortfall being subsidised by the government. So make it cheap, people will use it, and we get to screw the government out of a few euro as they pick up tab.
This frees up Ferrybank, the quay etc. and Lassykk can get to the Hypermarket for her messages.

lassykk

longshanks wrote: »

Here is my idea to get people to use the toll bridge.

Charge a nominal fee of say e100 for the year. That would make the toll affordable to anyone with a car. Numbers using the new bridge would then rise dramatically I'd imagine.
The way the tolling operation is set up is that it is supposed to generate a certain amount of profit for the year, any shortfall being subsidised by the government. So make it cheap, people will use it, and we get to screw the government out of a few euro as they pick up tab.
This frees up Ferrybank, the quay etc. and Lassykk can get to the Hypermarket for her messages.

I'd be hugely in favour of a lower fee for annual or even monthly usage.

Much as I appreciate the sentiment it was aldi and lidl I was trying to get to and also I'm a guy ;-)

Aquos76

wmpdd3 wrote: »

In real terms, I live in Ferrybank, if I need something in the supermarket at 2pm in the day, I can just about manage to get to the Hypermarket and back inside half an hour as it is by using Bilberry on the way back.

I dont get this comment to be honest, I travel over and back from ferrybank a few times everyday and the only time id have to use bilberry is after 4:30pm. I am often leaving the city centre and head down the glen and then down bridge street anytime between 12pm and 4pm and id rarely have to head over Summerhill terrace and take a short cut down to the bridge via grattan quay before 4pm.

TheQuietFella

Max Powers wrote: »

I don't know where you and others would stand but I hope next river crossing is the pedestrian one much mooted...would be especially useful for ferrybank residents and north quays.

I personally wouldn't be for a pedestrian bridge as it wouldn't be worth the

expenditure but a proper bridge to accommodate traffic in and out of the city

but with the CC restricting the flow of traffic at Bilberry for the financial benefit

of one entity they are hardly going to undo that by building another!

O Riain

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Max Powers wrote: »

I don't know where you and others would stand but I hope next river crossing is the pedestrian one much mooted...would be especially useful for ferrybank residents and north quays.

I personally wouldn't be for a pedestrian bridge as it wouldn't be worth the

expenditure but a proper bridge to accommodate traffic in and out of the city

but with the CC restricting the flow of traffic at Bilberry for the financial benefit

of one entity they are hardly going to undo that by building another!

If and when the north quays are built up, then a pedestrian bridge is a must.

Even as it is now it is a necessity to be honest.

Ferrybank is part of the city centre yet because you have to walk all the way up to rice bridge and then down again to the city centre, it feels like it's on the opposite end of the county. I'm sure if you built a foot bridge then a lot of people would just walk into town and you'd actually get a lot more people just going into town for a wander.

Cabaal

TheQuietFella wrote: »

I personally wouldn't be for a pedestrian bridge as it wouldn't be worth the

expenditure but a proper bridge to accommodate traffic in and out of the city

but with the CC restricting the flow of traffic at Bilberry for the financial benefit

of one entity they are hardly going to undo that by building another!

You have a fine proper bridge and people won't use it,
Building another bridge into the city centre will only cause more traffic issues, cars in a city kill it. Not make it better.

A pedestrian bridge would encourage more people to walk or cycle into the city centre and would cut commute times out to IDA/WIT and Dunmore by bike massively meaning more people would be likely to make such a commute! This would mean less traffic in the city centre which benefits the city.

A pedestrian bridge would to around where the tower hotel would nicely linked Ferrybank with the city as well, this would benefit both the city and Ferrybank in this regard.

You're mindset is the type of mindset that was against the likes of Dublin bikes and improving pedestrian and cycling facilities in Dublin, sure they aren't worth the money.....

Harry Palmr

A pedestrian bridge with a carpark on the Ferrybank side would be a real boon. If the issue is getting about in a car (and parking) in the city centre esp at busy time like Friday afternoon then a bridge at the Tower would be perfect, you can walk to the shops/entertainment in no time and then drive home having made a short walk across the Suir. It's not like there isn't quite a lot of empty space for parking on the North Quays.

TheQuietFella

Another fashion statement is what your looking for! 'Build it and they will come'

The population of FB doesn't warrant an investment of X millions for a pedestrian

bridge but the city of Waterford needs a second city crossing regardless of what

is currently there.

JMT2016

TheQuietFella wrote: »

We were 'looking' for a second river crossing Max to be positioned along the Quays Max and not out in the countryside where it currently resides!

Delighted that the need for another bridge is being really highlighted from this bilberry debate. Traffic problems in the city are chronic at times especially north of the bridge.

I think that the traffic bridge needs to stay away from the quays though. I suggested dunmore road area to complete the ring road.

By all means have a pedestrian bridge from ferrybank to the city centre too but that won't much for me doing my big shop or people who need car access cos of old age or disabilities etc...

JMT2016

On the bilberry thing, are the only options - one-way bilberry or leave it as is?

It really is a terrible road which is very unsafe, winding and narrow, totally unsuitable for cyclists I think. Plenty of speeding on it too.

Is there any scope to cantileaver the greenway over the river even just on the really narrow bits or cpo the stanley site?

Or even send the cyclists over the red iron bridge and avoid bilberry altogether? Maybe cross back over to the city on this new pedestrian bridge we're talking about!

I think the one-way is the best of the two not great options being provided at the moment, thinking of the cyclists here.

Jambo

JMT2016 wrote: »

On the bilberry thing, are the only options - one-way bilberry or leave it as is?

It really is a terrible road which is very unsafe, winding and narrow, totally unsuitable for cyclists I think. Plenty of speeding on it too.

Is there any scope to cantileaver the greenway over the river even just on the really narrow bits or cpo the stanley site?

Or even send the cyclists over the red iron bridge and avoid bilberry altogether? Maybe cross back over to the city on this new pedestrian bridge we're talking about!

I think the one-way is the best of the two not great options being provided at the moment, thinking of the cyclists here.

The Current Proposal is only a temporary measure according to the council.

The long term plan (widening the road) which was proposed in Feb 2011 (See Council's Planning Site Ref : P8 02/11), is apparently on hold until the foundry site is developed. (according to docs relating to the current Bilberry Plan)

As for a second crossing, there is already a preliminary idea thrashing about on the Kilkenny County Council's Local Area Plan Site for Ferrybank, showing a proposal for a new bridge from Christendom in Ferrybank to Approx Maypak on the Ardkeen side thus linking up with the Outer Ring Road. (I posted a map for this proposal in a thread a few months back)

Max Powers

Jambo wrote: »

The Current Proposal is only a temporary measure according to the council.

The long term plan (widening the road) which was in the pipeline 7 or 8 years ago, is on hold until the foundry site is developed.

(Will try and find link for above later)

As for a second crossing, there is already a preliminary idea thrashing about on the Kilkenny County Council's Local Area Plan Site for Ferrybank, showing a proposal for a new bridge from Christendom in Ferrybank to Approx Maypak on the Ardkeen side thus linking up with the Outer Ring Road. (I posted a map for this proposal in this thread a few months back, ill. Link to it later this morning)

If any developer wanted to put anything in bilberry site,a condition of planning would be improving/widenin road.

Council just don't have the money, maybe if property tax was increased a few percent they could use some extra money to improve, how would people feel about that.....cantilever option is very difficult and very expensive.

TheQuietFella

Max Powers wrote: »

If any developer wanted to put anything in bilberry site,a condition of planning would be improving/widenin road.

Council just don't have the money, maybe if property tax was increased a few percent they could use some extra money to improve, how would people feel about that.....cantilever option is very difficult and very expensive.

Tax them all in southern Kilkenny Max! Aren't they the ones who will be using it!

Taxburden carrier

Max Powers wrote: »

If any developer wanted to put anything in bilberry site,a condition of planning would be improving/widenin road.

Council just don't have the money, maybe if property tax was increased a few percent they could use some extra money to improve, how would people feel about that.....cantilever option is very difficult and very expensive.

Throwing more money at that council wouldn't solve anything.

Hoffmans

Saw ambulance had to mount footpath to get thru traffic yesterday, some mess of a quay

lassykk

Hoffmans wrote: »

Saw ambulance had to mount footpath to get thru traffic yesterday, some mess of a quay

Don't be ridiculous it's perfect in every way and any opposition is just silly.

Once it looks pretty for the tourists that's all that matters