Vehicle Gallery - Discussion Thread

Witcher

punisher5112 wrote: »

I get bored in traffic ok;-)

Fair dues :pac:

POGAN

roadmaster wrote: »

The same as the original ESB rangers they where the small engines. Why do they do this to literally save a couple of euros over performance

They aren’t response though well not suppose to be

Capri

Like the Capitol riot, security have to be ready at any moment. King of Morocco security motos just about nailed the attacker https://youtu.be/m13VQXHH4JU

Capri

Wig-wag headlights, better to have full beams like at 3.02 on this NL ambulance. Seen Nordics with 2 large spotlights used in the same manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKESQjDYG5E

That dash cam was in great spot to catch that moped getting binned...

Anyone watched that cop car workshop on Dave? It’s daytime telly and gimmicky but interesting all the same...they seem to lose a lot of squad cars to ‘tactical collisions’ by the looks of it they were repairing or writing of a car every few days...

Would gardai be trained on similar manoeuvres or is it something that’s not encouraged? Or do we just not hear about it when it doesn’t happen

Lenar3556

Here, I would think purposefully instigating a collision with a motorcycle would generally be seen as excessive and disproportionate.

CharlieCroker

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Here, I would think purposefully instigating a collision with a motorcycle would generally be seen as excessive and disproportionate.

Depends on what they've done.

Run a few red lights - yes
Street robbery or a smash and grab - no

Moped crime in London had become pandemic because the gougers knew the police wouldn't chase/ram bikes. Now they will, that type of crime has significantly reduced

Sgt. Bilko 09

Lenar3556 wrote: »

Here, I would think purposefully instigating a collision with a motorcycle would generally be seen as excessive and disproportionate.

Not really as it is tactical contact, which is widely implemented across most European states but not Ireland.
There is a video of Norwegian police chasing a moped and trying to do the same contact.
PA and GSOC would have a field day if a gard did such action, that as well as the Facebook comment contributors “my little angle wouldn’t hurt a fly”.

I digress, the contact is proportional and the danger of the public is taken into account when the call is given to block. The moped gangs in London use the pathways and on coming traffic as bid to get away. It is rampant in London so I believe that why they have such calls.

I think the public would rather a tax payers patrol car get damaged than themselves or there property get damaged.

Lenar3556

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Not really as it is tactical contact, which is widely implemented across most European states but not Ireland.
There is a video of Norwegian police chasing a moped and trying to do the same contact.
PA and GSOC would have a field day if a gard did such action, that as well as the Facebook comment contributors “my little angle wouldn’t hurt a fly”.

I digress, the contact is proportional and the danger of the public is taken into account when the call is given to block. The moped gangs in London use the pathways and on coming traffic as bid to get away. It is rampant in London so I believe that why they have such calls.

I think the public would rather a tax payers patrol car get damaged than themselves or there property get damaged.

My point was that you don’t see that here and such action would be seen as excessive but in the most exceptional of circumstances.
I would see that as a positive reflection of Irish society and indeed the effectiveness of our policing service in avoiding the need for such force and the high level of associated risk.

Lenar3556

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Depends on what they've done.

Run a few red lights - yes
Street robbery or a smash and grab - no

Moped crime in London had become pandemic because the gougers knew the police wouldn't chase/ram bikes. Now they will, that type of crime has significantly reduced

Well I was referring to this country. It wouldn’t typically be seen as a reasonable use of force in response to a street robbery.

punisher5112

London and other UK cities are big into moped and motorcycle.

In Ireland it's very low, so low that bikes are rarely used.

I can remember back in 2000/01 bikes were much more visible.

Atlantic Dawn

punisher5112 wrote: »

London and other UK cities are big into moped and motorcycle.

In Ireland it's very low, so low that bikes are rarely used.

I can remember back in 2000/01 bikes were much more visible.

I can't remember the last time I saw a 50cc moped on our roads. In the late 90's the place was awash with Yamaha Aerox, Peugeot Speedfight etc, I think insurance and legislation around licencing killed them off which is a shame as they were pretty much one step up from a fast pushbike in terms of complexity to get up and running.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Lenar3556 wrote: »

My point was that you don’t see that here and such action would be seen as excessive but in the most exceptional of circumstances.
I would see that as a positive reflection of Irish society and indeed the effectiveness of our policing service in avoiding the need for such force and the high level of associated risk.

Ok, it seems like a statement against a manoeuvre, I believe another commentator picked up on it that way also, maybe worded slightly different or the way you stated above. It would be a progressive move on ags part if it was back from the top down but unfortunately it isn’t.

Sgt. Bilko 09

punisher5112 wrote: »

London and other UK cities are big into moped and motorcycle.

In Ireland it's very low, so low that bikes are rarely used.

I can remember back in 2000/01 bikes were much more visible.

Very true, it’s more of a continental mode of transport now. A friend of mine was in Barcelona for work and the bike units are driving the new BMW C evolutions...they a very quick and travel in twos normally.

delly

Back when I first got a digital camera, I kept it in the car and took photos of anything remotely interesting, so happen to have some photographic evidence of said issues.

punisher5112

delly wrote: »

Back when I first got a digital camera, I kept it in the car and took photos of anything remotely interesting, so happen to have some photographic evidence of said issues.

The auld green corolla, one of the longest kept motors in the fleet....

Stephen Strange

punisher5112 wrote: »

The auld green corolla, one of the longest kept motors in the fleet....

It's only a few years since I saw it parked outside Pearse street

onmia

Ah the old magnetic roof light , i had a member shake one at me on lower bridge street , tryin to cut traffic it wasnt even plugged in. Im nearly sure it was that green Corolla

CharlieCroker

Remember an auld buck telling me once that when they took a corner too hard one night, light came flying off and straight through the window of a parked car. Light got ripped straight out of the socket.

Not sure if they ever went back to retrieve it

Sgt. Bilko 09

punisher5112 wrote: »

The auld green corolla, one of the longest kept motors in the fleet....

Outside pearse street like a monument

California Dreamer

Dohvolle wrote: »

Dash strobes came along, and magnetic roof lights ended up stuck to the top (or side) of a locker somewhere.

I would pay good money just to have the flat one.

Always reminds me of seeing the unmarked Granada's in the 80s around the border region.

Capri

No messing in Manchester https://youtu.be/2Hg-YJ7t5BY

CharlieCroker

Capri wrote: »

No messing in Manchester https://youtu.be/2Hg-YJ7t5BY

Proper order

Sexual Chocolate

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Outside pearse street like a monument

Still ? I haven't seen it in years but it used to park outside Woodstock in Phibsbourgh some mornings.

Capri wrote: »

Aussie unmarked M3 https://youtu.be/lSXjWADUK6Q

BMWs are really becoming a thing over there now. Seen a few G30 530ds myself when they were introduced. Victoria Highway Patrol are also using X5s. The days of the traditional Falcons and Commodores are limited.

You could say that the Aussie polices forces have more variety then here and possibly the UK from what I've seen. I've even seen an i40 once :eek:

CharlieCroker

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Still ? I haven't seen it in years but it used to park outside Woodstock in Phibsbourgh some mornings.





BMWs are really becoming a thing over there now. Seen a few G30 530ds myself when they were introduced. Victoria Highway Patrol are also using X5s. The days of the traditional Falcons and Commodores are limited.

You could say that the Aussie polices forces have more variety then here and possibly the UK from what I've seen. I've even seen an i40 once :eek:

The days of Falcons and Commodores are gone. They've stopped making them. In fact, Holden as a company ceased at midnight on 31/12/20.

That's why aussie police moved. They'd no choice

Sexual Chocolate

CharlieCroker wrote: »

The days of Falcons and Commodores are gone. They've stopped making them. In fact, Holden as a company ceased at midnight on 31/12/20.

That's why aussie police moved. They'd no choice

I never realised they pulled out altogether, actually quite shocked to hear that. Guessing the growing popularity for VAG and Koren stuff was probably their demise. You'd never really see older European cars over there tbh.

CharlieCroker

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

I never realised they pulled out altogether, actually quite shocked to hear that. Guessing the growing popularity for VAG and Koren stuff was probably their demise. You'd never really see older European cars over there tbh.

Ford pulled out a few years ago, 2016/17 iirc and Holden changed from a V8 rwd saloon to a rebadged Opel insignia for the Commodore.

That was never going to fit the bill compared to what they were used to.

Police in New Zealand were faced with the same problem. They recently announced they were going with the Skoda Superb

https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300167005/nz-police-select-skoda-to-supply-new-cop-cars-as-holden-rolls-into-sunset

irishgti

Big difference on when partol cars are scrapped over there and here.
" Patrol cars are considered for replacement at an age of six or seven years, or once they reach 120,000km."

donvito99

Is the lack of higher spec/performance cars made available by dealers here a problem for AGS in procuring their fleet? Or is it purely down to cost?

Sexual Chocolate

Cost

POGAN

Dohvolle wrote: »

That's what our rules say.

300,000 cars and 500,000 km for vans & specialized

POGAN

donvito99 wrote: »

Is the lack of higher spec/performance cars made available by dealers here a problem for AGS in procuring their fleet? Or is it purely down to cost?

Cost and driver qualifications with cbd3 as hasn’t being a course in years / ever!

The 5 or 6 marked 530Ds took over 4 years to be attached to units

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

Is the lack of higher spec/performance cars made available by dealers here a problem for AGS in procuring their fleet? Or is it purely down to cost?

When needed they go to UK. The ASU XC70's were special order. More 'recently' the Insignia's were again brought in from UK.

California Dreamer

foreign wrote: »

When needed they go to UK. The ASU XC70's were special order. More 'recently' the Insignia's were again brought in from UK.

I remember chatting to some lads in an ANPR car and they were telling me the ANPR system was bought second hand from the PSNI.

Capri

€16mil on vehicles https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-motorbikes-to-hgvs-16m-spend-sees-the-garda-fleet-hit-a-record-high-40049620.html

California Dreamer

Capri wrote: »

€16mil on vehicles https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-motorbikes-to-hgvs-16m-spend-sees-the-garda-fleet-hit-a-record-high-40049620.html

And add this stuff on to it as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40204202.html

The largest item expenditure was in the purchase of vehicles, which came to €8.3m and was paid to three different carmakers
— Jaguar Land Rover Ireland, Hyundai Ireland, and Ford.

Land Rovers?????

CharlieCroker

California Dreamer wrote: »

And add this stuff on to it as well.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40204202.html

The largest item expenditure was in the purchase of vehicles, which came to €8.3m and was paid to three different carmakers
— Jaguar Land Rover Ireland, Hyundai Ireland, and Ford.

Land Rovers?????

Water unit

punisher5112

Dohvolle wrote: »

Would I have seen a marked Garda Kona yesterday? It seemed too small to be a Tuscon.

Yes, unfortunately yes you did.....

There is 20 something of them

Markcheese

Dohvolle wrote: »

Someone in HQ must have thought "you know, we never replaced the fiesta patrol cars with anything".

What's wrong with a kona ? ( Obviously for local use, not as a pursuit or road policing unit)
I'm surprised that they're not using kona evs , the life cost should be way lower than petrol or diesel ..

Markcheese

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Water unit

Is there anything a discovery can do that a land cruiser can't ? ,

CharlieCroker

Markcheese wrote: »

Is there anything a discovery can do that a land cruiser can't ? ,

No, afaik it came down to the disco and the land cruiser but there was a supply issue with the Toyota at the time.

Someone tried to give them a 2.0 Tuscon initially

Markcheese

Dohvolle wrote: »

Try driving one wearing a stab vest. Try being a member at the taller end of the scale, wearing a stab vest trying to get in or out of one, let alone drive one.
Any garda vehicle could end up being the one that has to keep in contact with criminals who are trying to evade capture. It isn't always RSU or Road Policing.

I'll bow to others in terms of the internal size , and yeah as uniform and kit gets bulkier ( and hopefully more effective/protective) then the vehicle is going to have to follow ... I've never been in a kona but it looks a lot bigger than an old fiesta ..
Is a kona any slower than an i30 ?

California Dreamer

I know plenty that would still take that 87 Corolla over a new Kona!!!!

punchdrunk

Dohvolle wrote: »

The Granada and the land rover one, looks wrong.
Army didn't use that type of landie at the time those Granada were still in use. (not without ****load of aerials and more windows.)
It must be for a movie or something?

Agreed, looks staged- it’s lit like a film set

Capri

punchdrunk wrote: »

Agreed, looks staged- it’s lit like a film set

Land Rover is British army spec, and Granada is the 2.0 engined one doing the rounds at shows. The lights on the roof light bar should be the 'crumpet' ones,not the tall Hellas and the reg plate has clip on letters rather than the usual pressed ones...Movie set:cool:

d51984

For the bonus point, name the movie....

carzony

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-motorbikes-to-hgvs-16m-spend-sees-the-garda-fleet-hit-a-record-high-40049620.html


A massive investment of €16m on the purchase of vehicles has increased the size of the Garda fleet to a record high of over 3,100.

Latest figures up to the end of last week show that the force has 2,364 cars, of which 976 are marked and 1,388 unmarked, while there are 496 vans, 127 motorcycles, 88 4x4s, and 53 others – which include HGVs/trucks, minibuses, prison escort trucks and seven-seater cars.

The statistics include the vehicles allocated to the national Garda units.

California Dreamer

carzony wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-motorbikes-to-hgvs-16m-spend-sees-the-garda-fleet-hit-a-record-high-40049620.html


A massive investment of €16m on the purchase of vehicles has increased the size of the Garda fleet to a record high of over 3,100.

Latest figures up to the end of last week show that the force has 2,364 cars, of which 976 are marked and 1,388 unmarked, while there are 496 vans, 127 motorcycles, 88 4x4s, and 53 others – which include HGVs/trucks, minibuses, prison escort trucks and seven-seater cars.

The statistics include the vehicles allocated to the national Garda units.

Welcome to yesterday! 🙄

Sgt. Bilko 09

d51984 wrote: »

For the bonus point, name the movie....

71?

kub

carzony wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/from-motorbikes-to-hgvs-16m-spend-sees-the-garda-fleet-hit-a-record-high-40049620.html


A massive investment of €16m on the purchase of vehicles has increased the size of the Garda fleet to a record high of over 3,100.

Latest figures up to the end of last week show that the force has 2,364 cars, of which 976 are marked and 1,388 unmarked, while there are 496 vans, 127 motorcycles, 88 4x4s, and 53 others – which include HGVs/trucks, minibuses, prison escort trucks and seven-seater cars.

The statistics include the vehicles allocated to the national Garda units.

Have all of the Covid rentals gone back ?


I seen a few white Tuscons around Cork City in the last few days not fully marked up, just with Garda on them and they have unmarked type blues.