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Old diesel

POGAN wrote: »

New 192 i40 are 1.6 with ad blue ( going to be fun to see how that goes) Tucson on rpu aren’t bad but driving courses are issues who can drive bmw or Audi cbd3 only!

If you mean the adblue when you say "going to be fun to see how that goes" - the reality is that adblue is going to be a big thing on diesels now.

So the Gardai will have to adapt to it.

CharlieCroker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The i40 is grand for most of the work. We need more units with higher spec cars. RPU should be in higher spec than regular units.

The i40s are balls of sh1te for police work!!! Things spend more time in the garage nearly as much as the 11 Avensis.

Crap to drive, seats are awful for 8-10 hours a day, hard ride, build quality is poor. As a family car/rep mobile then they might be ok but they were only bought as patrol cars because they're cheap. I preferred the previous focus we had every time and they weren't perfect either.

POGAN wrote: »

New 192 i40 are 1.6 with ad blue ( going to be fun to see how that goes) Tucson on rpu aren’t bad but driving courses are issues who can drive bmw or Audi cbd3 only!

I think the Tuscon course is only a one day refresher for CBD2. Plenty of RPU lads here driving it on CBD2.

Sgt. Bilko 09

bigdaddymac wrote: »

Why so?

One thing HQ are utterly careless at is cash management.
Everything is on the cheap.
Family estates for front line response cars is ridiculous.

punisher5112

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

One thing HQ are utterly careless at is cash management.
Everything is on the cheap.
Family estates for front line response cars is ridiculous.

100%

So many other makes/models that would fit much better.

POGAN

CharlieCroker wrote: »

The i40s are balls of sh1te for police work!!! Things spend more time in the garage nearly as much as the 11 Avensis.

Crap to drive, seats are awful for 8-10 hours a day, hard ride, build quality is poor. As a family car/rep mobile then they might be ok but they were only bought as patrol cars because they're cheap. I preferred the previous focus we had every time and they weren't perfect either.



I think the Tuscon course is only a one day refresher for CBD2. Plenty of RPU lads here driving it on CBD2.

It is one day course and yes it’s cbd2 but for high speed stuff like BMW’s ( we won’t talk about 5 2016 estates in depot and college only used for asu training)

New Skodas coming no one knows who getting them... rpu, branch or specialist! DOCB have few already

California Dreamer

But someone think thats 100 crap cars are better than 50 decent cars.

Bigus

California Dreamer wrote: »

But someone think thats 100 crap cars are better than 50 decent cars.

Seems logical enough to me for 95% of the use , but then agin I’ve never been outrun by a gangster.

CharlieCroker

POGAN wrote: »

It is one day course and yes it’s cbd2 but for high speed stuff like BMW’s ( we won’t talk about 5 2016 estates in depot and college only used for asu training)

New Skodas coming no one knows who getting them... rpu, branch or specialist! DOCB have few already

Sorry, I misread your post.

Fair enough that the 530 and Q7 are cbd3 only. They're not needed for the regular.

Hopefully they'll buy a ball of 2.0 mondeos before they go out of production like they did in 07.

carzony

Am I right in saying the Garda have always prefered the Fords of any generation rather than other brands?

bigdaddymac

Why don’t the lease the cars more effective way the major haulage companies do it from the manufacturers.

punisher5112

bigdaddymac wrote: »

Why don’t the lease the cars more effective way the major haulage companies do it from the manufacturers.

Costs would be huge. They're vrt exempt, insurance exempt, NCT exempt and tax....

No leasing company could do that.

The 2020s

The PSNI have Superbs, Octavias and Kodiaqs.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Skoda are a remarkable patrol car, even Volvo or go back to ford they are unbelievable maker’s of patrol cars.

For me Hyundai don’t cut it I’ve drive i30 and i40. The car is screaming at 3thousand revs and struggles to keep up with almost any car the offenders have. Take the pursuit for example in east wall a few weeks ago. The regulars in the i30s lost the accord and it too 10 minutes to find it again when the marked pajero found and stayed tail end with it.

The equipment plus the overall performance of the i40 make it ridiculous for a patrol car personally speaking there now.

punisher5112

The best was when it was ah let's get them all i30.... Oh wait the equipment on the dash doesn't fit.... Oh well, say nothing we will just keep getting the i40 and nobody will notice....of course after get a sh1t load of i30

mpc

punisher5112 wrote: »

Costs would be huge. They're vrt exempt, insurance exempt, NCT exempt and tax....

No leasing company could do that.

An Post lease a significant proportion of their fleet as well as councils and many other state/semi state companies. The only long term and economical option for AGS is to lease.

AGS may procure their fleet at knock down prices but it's not fit for purpose - what use is a 10+ year old Fiesta/Mondeo/Corolla on the road. It's massively uneconomical and a H&S risk.

punisher5112

mpc wrote: »

An Post lease a significant proportion of their fleet as well as councils and many other state/semi state companies. The only long term and economical option for AGS is to lease.

AGS may procure their fleet at knock down prices but it's not fit for purpose - what use is a 10+ year old Fiesta/Mondeo/Corolla on the road. It's massively uneconomical and a H&S risk.

Not if kept in order and they retire when they hit the agreed mileage or before depending.

I agree they need better vehicles and should do like the UK where they retire them much sooner.

Look how some ended up here after they used them...

Couple of X5 and the Vectra OPC etc. Ex psni that one...

Old diesel

I know there's "an arguement" that the regular units don't need "massive" power.

But these are still 999 emergency response vehicles - so SHOULD still have fit for purpose capability right.

Be able to handle well when driven with some speed for example. Good brakes.

Give the driver confidence they are in a vehicle that can do everything they need to do.

The likes of Skoda and VW give you a variety of horsepower levels too.

Even like your normal 150 ps 2.0 diesel Superb can move along okay. And while not a sports car - still better then i40.

The i40s driving position/seating is also TERRIBLE imo and I'd have thought that would alone be a deal-breaker.

The one I sat into reminded me of a dentist's chair.

mpc

Old diesel wrote: »

I know there's "an arguement" that the regular units don't need "massive" power.

But these are still 999 emergency response vehicles - so SHOULD still have fit for purpose capability right.

Be able to handle well when driven with some speed for example. Good brakes.

Give the driver confidence they are in a vehicle that can do everything they need to do.

The likes of Skoda and VW give you a variety of horsepower levels too.

Even like your normal 150 ps 2.0 diesel Superb can move along okay. And while not a sports car - still better then i40.

The i40s driving position/seating is also TERRIBLE imo and I'd have thought that would alone be a deal-breaker.

The one I sat into reminded me of a dentist's chair.

Agreed response cars need to be fit for purpose.

For a general beat car a Focus estate/Octavia 1.6 are more than adequate imo, these cars would generally patrol built up areas. I would be of the opinion standard response cars shouldn't be involved in pursuits as they pose a greater risk than their worth. If you look at the likes of the UK and continental Europe most forces have standard response cars and then high powered pursuit standard cars.

E.g. The standard patrol vehicle in Germany & NL is a VW Transporter but they have high powered BMW's/Merc's etc on the RPU.

delly

Back in 2014, I had to get x3 estates of the i30 class in the company I work for. I checked the usual suspects, Skoda, Ford, Opel, etc. and they were either too high a cost for the budget, or had a crappy warranty. I then looked at the i30 and the Kia Ceed. Both were around the €25k mark, but when it came to test driving, the Ceed was a lot more comfortable. They are based on the same shell, as they are sister companies, but only when I delved into the performance specs, the Kia had a 115 bHP 1.6 engine, whereas the i30 was about 108 bHP IIRC. The net performance difference was about 1.5 for 0-100kmh, but what was even funnier was that the 1.6 in the Ceed was faster than the 1.7 in the i40.

I was going to be driving one of the Ceed's, so I made sure that I got the best in that class for the budget. Seems obvious to me that whoever made the decision on Hyundai was very far removed from working a shift.

bigdaddymac

I see bmw do what they refer to as authority spec cars. So what about all the cars seized and never returned are they used?

punisher5112

bigdaddymac wrote: »

I see bmw do what they refer to as authority spec cars. So what about all the cars seized and never returned are they used?

If they are taken by cab.

Ordinary ones such as insurance are in most cases reclaimed unless absolute sheds.

source

delly wrote: »

Back in 2014, I had to get x3 estates of the i30 class in the company I work for. I checked the usual suspects, Skoda, Ford, Opel, etc. and they were either too high a cost for the budget, or had a crappy warranty. I then looked at the i30 and the Kia Ceed. Both were around the €25k mark, but when it came to test driving, the Ceed was a lot more comfortable. They are based on the same shell, as they are sister companies, but only when I delved into the performance specs, the Kia had a 115 bHP 1.6 engine, whereas the i30 was about 108 bHP IIRC. The net performance difference was about 1.5 for 0-100kmh, but what was even funnier was that the 1.6 in the Ceed was faster than the 1.7 in the i40.

I was going to be driving one of the Ceed's, so I made sure that I got the best in that class for the budget. Seems obvious to me that whoever made the decision on Hyundai was very far removed from working a shift.

The issue is in how procurement is managed for state agencies, AGS can't just see what's out there and pick and choose. They have to tender for the procurement and choose from the companies who submit proposals for the tender.

If a car manufacturer didn't tender for the project then their vehicle cannot be considered, even if it is better than the options presented.

That's not to say that a tender cannot favour a certain vehicle in specifying what is required, but in this instance the manufacturer would still need to submit vehicles for the tender process.

Capri

I've a 19 Tucson 1.6GDI,gutless unless you stir it thru the gears 😠,but great for some of the potholes I encounter. Re a 'decent' car for the job, look at what happened to the Golf R 😬
As was said years ago 'police radio waves travel faster than any police car' and a good driver can make a piece of crap sing. Personally I think that good patrol cars are wasted on some drivers, and I remember the red Mondeo Zetec S V6 in D8 that the driver treated like his own pride and joy 😊

The problem with radio waves is they can't follow a car themselves. You need a car that can keep up. Give traffic proper cars and put them out 24hrs. Again, regular don't need top of the range cars.

Sgt. Bilko 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The problem with radio waves is they can't follow a car themselves. You need a car that can keep up. Give traffic proper cars and put them out 24hrs. Again, regular don't need top of the range cars.

The regular units are using 07 fiestas and focus’s still. They need an overhaul. For example marked insignia saloons and Skoda saloons or above average saloons. I don’t agree with a basic model Hyundai estate family holiday with blue lights. They ridiculously heavy to drive the oversteer is a shambles and the added weight in makes them even worse. Patrol cars wether they are RPU or Regs need another think because the current family estates specs are not working personally speaking.

punisher5112

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

The regular units are using 07 fiestas and focus’s still. They need an overhaul. For example marked insignia saloons and Skoda saloons or evening minded saloons. I don’t agree with a basic model Hyundai estate family holiday with blue lights. They ridiculously heavy to drive the oversteer is a shambles and the added weight in makes them even worse. Patrol cars wether they are RPU or Regs need another think because the current family estates specs are not working personally speaking.

I said this and constantly got shot down...

Not looking for golf r or Audi RS4 for everyone but times are changing and we need a force that can show force...

delly

source wrote: »

The issue is in how procurement is managed for state agencies, AGS can't just see what's out there and pick and choose. They have to tender for the procurement and choose from the companies who submit proposals for the tender.

If a car manufacturer didn't tender for the project then their vehicle cannot be considered, even if it is better than the options presented.

That's not to say that a tender cannot favour a certain vehicle in specifying what is required, but in this instance the manufacturer would still need to submit vehicles for the tender process.

I get that and am very familiar with public tenders, but not for anything like this. It's a fatal flaw in this case imho however, if what is submitted is not fit for purpose, then it shouldn't be a case of picking the best worst. Whatever about printers and computers, when it comes to a role like this, the best worst is just not acceptable.

bigdaddymac

Ok ideal situation guys what would you go for?

Sexual Chocolate

bigdaddymac wrote: »

Ok ideal situation guys what would you go for?

Octavia's and Scalas 1.5 petrols for regular, Vrs petrols and 330d's for traffic.

Alkers

foreign wrote: »

Looks like the Golf R.

Any background to this?

Sexual Chocolate

If that's the R they've swapped the alloys for some Highline ones.

carzony

They were chasing a motorcycle gang https://www.thesun.ie/news/4971794/gardai-swoop-biker-gang-road/

Is that Golf not a different colour to the R seen in previous pictures?

I'm not that up on them so could well be wrong.

Sgt. Bilko 09

That’s a MOPs golf it’s not part of what was happening

Old diesel

As a benchmark - there was 1.8/2.0 Mk 3 Mondeo's as the main workhorse for a number of years.

With V6 variants for some roles.

Think the 2.0 Mondeo was at around the 145 bhp mark in petrol form.

In the modern era the 2.0 VAG diesel would seem to compare to a Mk 3 Mondeo.

Plentiful car options from Atecas to VRS Octavia's.

You've got plenty of higher performance options for specialised roles too with VAG.

kooga

Old diesel wrote: »

As a benchmark - there was 1.8/2.0 Mk 3 Mondeo's as the main workhorse for a number of years.

With V6 variants for some roles.

Think the 2.0 Mondeo was at around the 145 bhp mark in petrol form.

In the modern era the 2.0 VAG diesel would seem to compare to a Mk 3 Mondeo.

Plentiful car options from Atecas to VRS Octavia's.

You've got plenty of higher performance options for specialised roles too with VAG.

Hence why the psni have a fleet of vags- was in Belfast last weekend and saw a few Marked a6 avants

belfast stephen

Psni Use Marked and Unmarked Audi A6 to Traffic and ARV also Just Starting to Ge BMW 5 Series Estate For Traffic and use Unmarked Golf's as well Octiva VRS and Skoda Superb Estates as well both Armoured and unarmoured

Capri

Old diesel wrote: »

As a benchmark - there was 1.8/2.0 Mk 3 Mondeo's as the main workhorse for a number of years.

With V6 variants for some roles.

Think the 2.0 Mondeo was at around the 145 bhp mark in petrol form.

In the modern era the 2.0 VAG diesel would seem to compare to a Mk 3 Mondeo.

Plentiful car options from Atecas to VRS Octavia's.

You've got plenty of higher performance options for specialised roles too with VAG.

Certain hi-profile embassy in Dublin has a Superb 4x4 ,doesn't look armoured but you never know
https://mobile.twitter.com/skodauk/status/1001493377421004800

Capri

belfast stephen wrote: »

Psni Use Marked and Unmarked Audi A6 to Traffic and ARV also Just Starting to Ge BMW 5 Series Estate For Traffic and use Unmarked Golf's as well Octiva VRS and Skoda Superb Estates as well both Armoured and unarmoured

https://mobile.twitter.com/skodauk/status/1001493377421004800

Duke O Smiley

Passed a 181 Hyundai Ioniq Garda car in Artane yesterday. Only got a quick glance at it but I’m 99% sure it was fully electric and not hybrid (different grille)

Any idea of how many of these are in use by AGS?

CharlieCroker

Just the one afaik

punisher5112

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Passed a 181 Hyundai Ioniq Garda car in Artane yesterday. Only got a quick glance at it but I’m 99% sure it was fully electric and not hybrid (different grille)

Any idea of how many of these are in use by AGS?

1.

California Dreamer

punisher5112 wrote: »

1.

Isnt it just a show piece?

punisher5112

California Dreamer wrote: »

Isnt it just a show piece?

Pretty much.

Sgt. Bilko 09

punisher5112 wrote: »

Pretty much.

There is also an unmarked white Tucson 182 attached to that district blends in very well

POGAN

punisher5112 wrote: »

Pretty much.

Cbd3 to drive it supposedly

Duke O Smiley

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Passed a 181 Hyundai Ioniq Garda car in Artane yesterday. Only got a quick glance at it but I’m 99% sure it was fully electric and not hybrid (different grille)

Any idea of how many of these are in use by AGS?

Have two apparently.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1086330218401296384?lang=en

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have two apparently.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1086330218401296384?lang=en

Haven't seen the leaf.

POGAN

foreign wrote: »

Have two apparently.

https://mobile.twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1086330218401296384?lang=en

The leaf dun laoghaire council car it’s not ags

Stephen Strange

POGAN wrote: »

The leaf dun laoghaire council car it’s not ags

Yeah, but read the twitter post