Vehicle Gallery - Discussion Thread

POGAN

POGAN wrote: »

Of course... this includes crash repairs etc

And tyres which on Garda vehicles are replaced once below 3mm thread depth.

punisher5112

If they started replacing blown bulbs that would go up considerably....

California Dreamer

punisher5112 wrote: »

If they started replacing blown bulbs that would go up considerably....

Frustrating from a public perception that you can pick up penalty points for a blown light but of course state cars are exempt because you know they are safer (I know I know, save it for somewhere else! :eek:)

BaronVon

No lights isn't a penalty point offence. Fixed charge yes, but no penalty points.

RandomAccess

Saw part of one of the chases the other week in Dublin, the ones that were going on for hours. The car in this case was a Toyota Vitz/Yaris I think.

There was an unmarked focus hatchback hot on its heels and an X5 armed response unit, well at the end of the road there was a 90degree right turn and it seemed like the X5 barely made it round!

Scraping the Door handles..
Must eat tyres, don’t get why they would choose them over an estate.

mpc

RandomAccess wrote: »

Saw part of one of the chases the other week in Dublin, the ones that were going on for hours. The car in this case was a Toyota Vitz/Yaris I think.

There was an unmarked focus hatchback hot on its heels and an X5 armed response unit, well at the end of the road there was a 90degree right turn and it seemed like the X5 barely made it round!

Scraping the Door handles..
Must eat tyres, don’t get why they would choose them over an estate.

There's a serious amount of weight in the back of the ASU's with the equipment and gun safe. I'd imagine ground clearance would become an issue in an estate, especially going over ramps.

The PSNI have A6 Avants which are fairly heavy in the rear

RandomAccess

mpc wrote: »

There's a serious amount of weight in the back of the ASU's with the equipment and gun safe. I'd imagine ground clearance would become an issue in an estate, especially going over ramps.

The PSNI have A6 Avants which are fairly heavy in the rear

Probably a compromise along the lines of the old Volvo XC vehicles or Audi Avant Allroad is the right mix.

RandomAccess

RandomAccess wrote: »

Saw part of one of the chases the other week in Dublin, the ones that were going on for hours. The car in this case was a Toyota Vitz/Yaris I think.

There was an unmarked focus hatchback hot on its heels and an X5 armed response unit, well at the end of the road there was a 90degree right turn and it seemed like the X5 barely made it round!

Scraping the Door handles..
Must eat tyres, don’t get why they would choose them over an estate.

Think I watched the same video and didn't see any issue with the the cornering.

RandomAccess

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think I watched the same video and didn't see any issue with the the cornering.

Wasn't video, live action!

RandomAccess

RandomAccess wrote: »

Wasn't video, live action!

Lucky you! I'll throw up a link to the video. It's very annoying though.

https://youtu.be/MZXBWDOS1sg

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://youtu.be/MZXBWDOS1sg

None of them would make great photographers.....

POGAN

RandomAccess wrote: »

Saw part of one of the chases the other week in Dublin, the ones that were going on for hours. The car in this case was a Toyota Vitz/Yaris I think.

There was an unmarked focus hatchback hot on its heels and an X5 armed response unit, well at the end of the road there was a 90degree right turn and it seemed like the X5 barely made it round!

Scraping the Door handles..
Must eat tyres, don’t get why they would choose them over an estate.

They are only getting X5s for ASU over the Q7

RandomAccess

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://youtu.be/MZXBWDOS1sg

I don't understand why it wasn't forcibly stopped much earlier. Letting it drag on is dangerous to anyone on the roads. Same situation as the scrambler bikes, they know they won't be stopped and can ride dangerous to break off pursuits.

Maybe the Gardai didn't have an opportunity, or have been warned not to wreck cars.

Just seems they are making trouble for themselves.

punisher5112

Looked like the US with every car they have in the chase.....

Was a stinger not used?

Plenty of opportunities.

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

Looked like the US with every car they have in the chase.....

Was a stinger not used?

Plenty of opportunities.

No idea of circumstances of the case but first you need someone trained in the use of the stinger and second you need a spot with hard cover. Other factors to take into account too.

Bigus

RandomAccess wrote: »

I don't understand why it wasn't forcibly stopped much earlier. Letting it drag on is dangerous to anyone on the roads. Same situation as the scrambler bikes, they know they won't be stopped and can ride dangerous to break off pursuits.

Maybe the Gardai didn't have an opportunity, or have been warned not to wreck cars.

Just seems they are making trouble for themselves.

Definitely wouldn’t inspire confidence with law abiding folk , and worse makes the Gardai look like muppets to the young criminals.

It Would certainly encourage me if I was a youth to try my chances fleeing, especially if you can get that result in a Toyota Vitz.

Policing is a lot about optics , and that chase is very very bad optics , sure they even have the Benny hill music dubbed in , to good effect.

Surely it wouldn’t take much out of the budget to have half a dozen specialist persuit cars in Dublin and another 6 posted around the country, with trained drivers to suit. Even Focus ST diesels if you were budget minded.
Or Hyundai i30 N s , seeing as they have the contract and can’t give them away to private punters ?

So how should a chase be ended without endangering the Gardaí, members of the public, the patrol cars, the pursued car and the gougers in the car? Because if it goes wrong the Garda will be investigated. And the budget will be screwed if they start ramming cars.

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So how should a chase be ended without endangering the Gardaí, members of the public, the patrol cars, the pursued car and the gougers in the car? Because if it goes wrong the Garda will be investigated. And the budget will be screwed if they start ramming cars.

Tactical contact, the longer these chases go on the higher the risk....

If there is enough cars they should be used to cut this risk.....

Obviously we are going to be broke so it will be like with the avensis they will have to last.....

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

Tactical contact, the longer these chases go on the higher the risk....

If there is enough cars they should be used to cut this risk.....

Obviously we are going to be broke so it will be like with the avensis they will have to last.....

Sounds easy to do but so much goes into your decision of how and when to do it. Speed is a big factor too. Yanks don't do it over 40 mph I believe. Roads theses chases are on won't be suitable most of the time.

punisher5112

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sounds easy to do but so much goes into your decision of how and when to do it. Speed is a big factor too. Yanks don't do it over 40 mph I believe. Roads theses chases are on won't be suitable most of the time.

P.i.t in the states....

The UK would probably be more suited as they will use the car pin it in or if really warranted like in this case they will ram the car off the road.

donvito99

Cars are lethal weapons (look at the Islamic State's use of them when they don't have access to AKs) so why don't we treat some of these fail-to-stops as we would a fella running around with a gun?

The recent death of a pedestrian in Shankill shows once again that fleeing vehicles are a danger to innocents.

The Gov should think seriously about criteria and a process allowing Gardai to ram or shoot dead criminals who demonstrate that they could cause death or serious injury to the public if their vehicle is not brought to a halt.

Witcher

Walker Texas Ranger there pinging off rounds at cars going 100km/h ^^ will ya wise up for fook :pac:

You're not playing GTA here. Pursuits are dangerous at the best of times without ramming cars off the road.

A lot of that pursuit is through residential areas with people out watching. Where was safe to ram there? In the US pits are done on straight streets/roads which there are plenty of. How many do we have here? How many are wide enough or long enough?

Every action has to follow the core principles of force, is it justifiable, necessary, proportionate?

More pursuits are stood down than continued for safety reasons.

donvito99

Witcher wrote: »

Walker Texas Ranger there pinging off rounds at cars going 100km/h ^^ will ya wise up for fook :pac:

foreign wrote: »

You're not playing GTA here. Pursuits are dangerous at the best of times without ramming cars off the road.

A lot of that pursuit is through residential areas with people out watching. Where was safe to ram there? In the US pits are done on straight streets/roads which there are plenty of. How many do we have here? How many are wide enough or long enough?

Every action has to follow the core principles of force, is it justifiable, necessary, proportionate?

More pursuits are stood down than continued for safety reasons.

Witcher wrote: »

A few more drivers to engage in pursuits would be a fine thing:pac:

'CBD1'

'Stand down'

Well duh.

What I am saying is that we should define failing to stop as an activity warranting a fleeing driver's safety being set aside where there's;

- no innocent passengers in the fleeing vehicle
- absence of a risk to the public i.e. the same criteria which provide for PIT or TPAC or the likes
- no significant risk to Gardai i.e. the same criteria for throwing a stinger out

It might even deter criminals from fleeing in this way (i.e. overtly and at high speed) if they know that the Guards are capable of and entitled and prepared to do them harm if they do flee and pose a huge danger to the general public.

punisher5112

Box them in... Dundrum Garda done it many moons ago with a pajero, both vehicles destroyed but they did stop it..... Wasn't any loss was a clapped out corolla....

Witcher

donvito99 wrote: »

Well duh.

What I am saying is that we should define failing to stop as an activity warranting a fleeing driver's safety being set aside where there's;

- no innocent passengers in the fleeing vehicle
- absence of a risk to the public i.e. the same criteria which provide for PIT or TPAC or the likes
- no significant risk to Gardai i.e. the same criteria for throwing a stinger out

It might even deter criminals from fleeing in this way (i.e. overtly and at high speed) if they know that the Guards are capable of and entitled and prepared to do them harm if they do flee and pose a huge danger to the general public.

Grand, never gonna happen.

donvito99

donvito99 wrote: »

Well duh.

What I am saying is that we should define failing to stop as an activity warranting a fleeing driver's safety being set aside where there's;

- no innocent passengers in the fleeing vehicle
- absence of a risk to the public i.e. the same criteria which provide for PIT or TPAC or the likes
- no significant risk to Gardai i.e. the same criteria for throwing a stinger out

It might even deter criminals from fleeing in this way (i.e. overtly and at high speed) if they know that the Guards are capable of and entitled and prepared to do them harm if they do flee and pose a huge danger to the general public.

Yeah, i have to agree - if I was after committing a serious enough crime, and the Gardai showed up; i'd be more inclined to deliberately drive as dangerously as possible, knowing they'll be told to call the chase off.


It's like the moped gangs in the UK. Have crime rates involving mopeds not dropped a fair bit since the Police became so public about ramming them?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, i have to agree - if I was after committing a serious enough crime, and the Gardai showed up; i'd be more inclined to deliberately drive as dangerously as possible, knowing they'll be told to call the chase off.


It's like the moped gangs in the UK. Have crime rates involving mopeds not dropped a fair bit since the Police became so public about ramming them?

The moped thing went from not engaging to full intervention with specially trained teams. We don't have that level of criminality.

This fellas are mostly kids joyriding.

POGAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're not playing GTA here. Pursuits are dangerous at the best of times without ramming cars off the road.

A lot of that pursuit is through residential areas with people out watching. Where was safe to ram there? In the US pits are done on straight streets/roads which there are plenty of. How many do we have here? How many are wide enough or long enough?

Every action has to follow the core principles of force, is it justifiable, necessary, proportionate?

More pursuits are stood down than continued for safety reasons.

Sorry @foreign had to this 😂

https://youtu.be/8-W9npgp7Hc

punisher5112

Font forget the Golf R was used to stop the Merc on the motorway.... Glad to see it back, love the sound ....

POGAN

punisher5112 wrote: »

Font forget the Golf R was used to stop the Merc on the motorway.... Glad to see it back, love the sound ....

Better video of the flashy chase

It sounds lovely... nice to see Audi unmarked out too 😉
https://youtu.be/cH4KzYTe6Nk

California Dreamer

POGAN wrote: »

Better video of the flashy chase

It sounds lovely... nice to see Audi unmarked out too ��
https://youtu.be/cH4KzYTe6Nk

You have to feel sorry for the lads in the van. Its like the fat kid on the bike in the snapper!

Bigus

California Dreamer wrote: »

You have to feel sorry for the lads in the van. Its like the fat kid on the bike in the snapper!

The van is useful for blocking the road in an estate.

California Dreamer

Bigus wrote: »

The van is useful for blocking the road in an estate.

That chase will be over by the time that van catches up!

punisher5112

Bigus wrote: »

The van is useful for blocking the road in an estate.

I'd use a bus, dog van perhaps or even public order unit, can't see but could well need the back up in a certain area.

POGAN

Bmw 5 series estate from the college are out and about now saw one at checkpoint on Facebook there

carzony

Focus RS seen on the 'inside the K' tonight, looks class with the rear reds flashing.

POGAN

carzony wrote: »

Focus RS seen on the 'inside the K' tonight, looks class with the rear reds flashing.

OP IV unit... few them around some nice Gucci cars

Duke O Smiley

Anyone watching Inside the K tonight? Noticed a blue Golf R in the background of some video footage (when they were looking for the knife in the bottle banks)

Have they another R so?

POGAN

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Anyone watching Inside the K tonight? Noticed a blue Golf R in the background of some video footage (when they were looking for the knife in the bottle banks)

Have they another R so?

Don’t think that was AGS car

Sgt. Bilko 09

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Anyone watching Inside the K tonight? Noticed a blue Golf R in the background of some video footage (when they were looking for the knife in the bottle banks)

Have they another R so?

That was the witness that seen them throw the blade in the bottle bank...

Hogzy

carzony wrote: »

Focus RS seen on the 'inside the K' tonight, looks class with the rear reds flashing.

A Focus RS Garda car??? Are you serious????:eek:

Duke O Smiley

Hogzy wrote: »

A Focus RS Garda car??? Are you serious????:eek:

it’s an ST

punisher5112

Sgt. Biko, he did what.....


He tried pulling over an unmarked unit in a clapped out old Megane, was he retarded.....

Duke O Smiley

Where is that video available?

Sgt. Bilko 09

punisher5112 wrote: »

Sgt. Biko, he did what.....


He tried pulling over an unmarked unit in a clapped out old Megane, was he retarded.....

Yep, he tried to stop an unmarked patrol lol I was shocked when I heard it because we In this literally where chatting about a few weeks ago about order lights from wish and alli express someone has obviously done it for real though haha

Sgt. Bilko 09

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Where is that video available?

It’s going around social media, it’s on Facebook also.
I just Can’t upload it here due to file type

punisher5112

Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »

Yep, he tried to stop an unmarked patrol lol I was shocked when I heard it because we In this literally where chatting about a few weeks ago about order lights from wish and alli express someone has obviously done it for real though haha

That's hilarious 😂 I ordered a light bar for sun visor and it was meant to be orange, they sent me blue/red....

I've never used it and never would.

carzony

I seen the ful video. If he was driving an i40, Mondeo, or any car regularly associated with AGS it would have been very convincing. The rear light set up was quite good.