Parking charges up at most train stations

L1011

schemingbohemia wrote: »

If they can't afford the extra 10c for the text how are they filling up the tank of petrol to drive them to the car park or anywhere else for that matter?

You clearly didn't read my post, or otherwise completely failed to get the point of it.

n97 mini

Between the text (13c on most operators) and the maintenance charge it adds close to €40 a year. The cheapest parking tariff is €360 a year.

That means one has to earn close to €800 to pay for parking for the year at an IE train station.

What's mildly insulting is that the car park is to facilitate customers to use the train service but instead has been turned into a revenue generator. And in exchange for your hundreds of euro a year you get no security or supervision and you're not even guaranteed a space, even if you have paid in advance for it.

mickydoomsux

n97 mini wrote: »

BAnd in exchange for your hundreds of euro a year you get no security or supervision and you're not even guaranteed a space, even if you have paid in advance for it.

Besides the 24hr CCTV coverage in all stations with paid parking and the fact that it wouldn't make sense for you to pay in advance of getting a parking space.

n97 mini

Grammar is very poor in that post. Can't follow it.

mickydoomsux

n97 mini wrote: »

Grammar is very poor in that post. Can't follow it.

Way to address me shooting down your usual nonsense with facts again!

Got any more ill informed vitriol for me?

n97 mini

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Way to address me shooting down your usual nonsense with facts again!

Got any more ill informed vitriol for me?

Sorry dude, I could debate with you if you made any sense.

I did pick up something about CCtv from your post, I'm not sure what your point is about it. Only 4 days ago a customer posted their car was broken into and their radio station stolen at Sallins station. Will CCtv get that back for them? Don't think so.

mickydoomsux

n97 mini wrote: »

for your hundreds of euro a year you get no security or supervision

CCTV is a form of security or supervision, in fact it is the form that is most widely used by businesses.

You want people to have it in the quoted post and then a couple of posts later you complain that CCTV (a form of security/supervision, remember?) is useless because it won't get someones car stereo back.

You're either grasping at straws or being willfully stupid in a feeble attempt to prove your point, whatever that's supposed to be.

penexpers

n97 mini wrote: »

Between the text (13c on most operators) and the maintenance charge it adds close to €40 a year. The cheapest parking tariff is €360 a year.

That means one has to earn close to €800 to pay for parking for the year at an IE train station.

What's mildly insulting is that the car park is to facilitate customers to use the train service but instead has been turned into a revenue generator. And in exchange for your hundreds of euro a year you get no security or supervision and you're not even guaranteed a space, even if you have paid in advance for it.

If you're a commuter, it makes most sense to pay 30 euro per month
, in which case only 12 texts would be needed, so extra cost would be €1.20 + €6.

If people think that €2 a day or €30 a month is a lot to pay for parking, they should check the parking rates at stations in the UK....£11 per day or £135 per month in one station I checked.

penexpers

n97 mini wrote: »

Sorry dude, I could debate with you if you made any sense.

I did pick up something about CCtv from your post, I'm not sure what your point is about it. Only 4 days ago a customer posted their car was broken into and their radio station stolen at Sallins station. Will CCtv get that back for them? Don't think so.

Sallins station car park is outside the control of Irish Rail afaik. It was paid parking long before Irish Rail introduced car parking charges.

n97 mini

penexpers wrote: »

Sallins station car park is outside the control of Irish Rail afaik. It was paid parking long before Irish Rail introduced car parking charges.

It's the same as every other IE car park. It's operated by either NCPS or Eurocarparks and you need to pay to use it.

http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey/carpark_information.asp

n97 mini

mickydoomsux wrote: »

CCTV is a form of security or supervision,

Only if it's used properly.

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You want people to have it in the quoted post and then a couple of posts later you complain that CCTV (a form of security/supervision, remember?) is useless because it won't get someones car stereo back.

Your grammar. It's gone again.

kingshankly

n97 mini wrote: »

Grammar is very poor in that post. Can't follow it.

if you seriously can't follow that post its not his grammar you need to worry about,it's your reading skills or your interpretation of the English language that should cause you concern mr pedantic

n97 mini

kingshankly wrote: »

if you seriously can't follow that post its not his grammar you need to worry about,it's your reading skills or your interpretation of the English language that should cause you concern mr pedantic

mickysux, you do know you're not allowed have more than one boards.ie account?

Victor

n97 mini wrote: »

Grammar is very poor in that post. Can't follow it.

On topic please, all of you.

Losty Dublin

Two of the cheapest and assessable car park's in town are Irish Rail's ones at Connolly and Heuston. Park in them for the day and it's €7.50 at the moment. In the main it's around €10 a day elsewhere unless you can use one of the NAMA ones around Dublin's 7 or 4. I'm sure there are a few other cheaper ones which people here can let us know about but parking in the city isn't cheap as a rule.

Hilly Bill

MYOB wrote: »

Wouldn't change the p.a. amount.

Not saying it would, only that the per year amount is only used for effect.

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Not saying it would, only that the per year amount is only used for effect.

No, its not. Its used because its the most standard metric of showing how much something is costing you.

brownacid

This tactic of raising the parking rates will just serve to drive away customers. In my situation my student weekly ticket is around teh €43 mark, add in that I used to spend 8 a week to park and that comes to 51/week. The Matthews bus service goes from outside my estate and costs 50/week. I used the train as it was only one euro more per week and it got me to within a 2 minute walk of where i needed to go. I will now have to pay 10/week extra which has now made me start to take the bus. I am sure I am not the only person who will be thinking like this and the fact is you always get a seat on teh bus, if its cold the heat is on, i its hot the air conditioning is on. If you want to do some work there is complimentary internet.

There bus schedule seems more frequent and runs later. I cannot honestly see why anyone from my area who drives to the station should now continue to get the train if they are not opposed to an extra ten minute walk when they get into town.

It would appear to me that IR have never heard of teh concept of dimenishing returns.

Hilly Bill

MYOB wrote: »

No, its not. Its used because its the most standard metric of showing how much something is costing you.

why? a euro a day says it how it is. Why complain about an euro? if you can afford to run a car then you can afford a an extra euro for parking. Try explaining your hard luck story to those that struggle to pay the fuel bills this xmas because the cost of oil has gone sky high and can only afford the basic amount of oil and wont be putting the heating on to save fuel.
An euro a day? my heart bleeds for you.

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

why? a euro a day says it how it is. Why complain about an euro?

If you got a 2 grand pay cut would you be saying "ah it's only a euro an hour, why complain about a euro" or would you be saying "crap, that's a 2 grand pay cut"?

Hilly Bill

Its not a 2 grand pay cut now is it? You can afford to run a car, you are lucky to have a job and you complain about a euro extra for parking?, there are others worse off and have more to worry about than the parking going up by a euro a day. Clongriffin is free so use that one. Pathetic.

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

why?

Because per annum is the standard metric. The rest of your post is basically just whingeing that the standard metric makes the massive increase look, well, massive.

Terrontress

penexpers wrote: »

SandyfordGuy wrote: »

For what it's worth I think the criticism of train drivers on this thread is over the top. Sure I think they are overpaid still. But saying it an easy job is ridiculous.

€48k for a 48 hour week with some unsocialable hours is not overpaid, IMO.

Does their 48 hour week not involve driving the train for 2 hours and then sitting around for several hours, driving back for two hours and then writing a report of their day?

So they are not working for 48 hours but are required to be there for that amount of time.

mickydoomsux

Terrontress wrote: »

Does their 48 hour week not involve driving the train for 2 hours and then sitting around for several hours, driving back for two hours and then writing a report of their day?

So they are not working for 48 hours but are required to be there for that amount of time.

Last week a train driver had to sit in his cab helpless while his train hit and killed a woman who had decided to end her life.

I suppose you do that kind of thing an awful lot in your job.

Terrontress

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

Does their 48 hour week not involve driving the train for 2 hours and then sitting around for several hours, driving back for two hours and then writing a report of their day?

So they are not working for 48 hours but are required to be there for that amount of time.

Last week a train driver had to sit in his cab helpless while his train hit and killed a woman who had decided to end her life.

I suppose you do that kind of thing an awful lot in your job.

I don't see the relevance. Does this man's experience alter the number of hours worked by Irish train drivers? And if I had to deal with horrific deaths on a daily basis as part of my job, as so many professions in Ireland have to, would that make this guy's working week any different or his horrific experience any less horrific?

Given the frequency of trains in Ireland and the small number of track miles in Ireland, I'd be surprised if each driver does 48 hours of productive work per week.

Hilly Bill

MYOB wrote: »

Because per annum is the standard metric. The rest of your post is basically just whingeing that the standard metric makes the massive increase look, well, massive.

Massive increase? lol

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Massive increase? lol

Are you trolling now? I don't often agree with MYOB, but in this case he's right. Simple as.

Hilly Bill

Trolling? having a different opinion is not trolling . 1 euro is not a massive increase simple as. Its an increase but you can hardly call it massive.

What has the train driver got to do with the parking charge or how many hours he/she works?

foggy_lad

lxflyer wrote: »

OK so then knowing when you are in pitch black darkness exactly where the braking locations are to stop a full train travelling at 90mph plus safely at a platform (or a signal that is not in view) is easy?

Come off it.

There are lots of jobs That require far greater skills than those required by train drivers, most of their work is paying attention and watching for lights to come on and signs so they can slow down or speed up etc. every inch of the railway network is signposted. Driving a lorry is a much harder more stressful job IMHO and the driver wil actually do a full weeks work without sitting around for hours each shift.

Hilly Bill

Have you driven a train or a lorry Foggy Lad?

Victor

Um, this thread is about parking charges, increases thereof and the effects thereof.

kingshankly

foggy_lad wrote: »

There are lots of jobs That require far greater skills than those required by train drivers, most of their work is paying attention and watching for lights to come on and signs so they can slow down or speed up etc. every inch of the railway network is signposted. Driving a lorry is a much harder more stressful job IMHO and the driver wil actually do a full weeks work without sitting around for hours each shift.

a totally clueless post

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Massive increase? lol

50% is a massive increase. You can bleat about it being "1 euro" but as a percentage, it IS a massive increase, and adds up to a considerable sum over frequent use - something else you bleat about being mentioned.

What reasons do you have to keep blindly defending an infinity-times-inflation (seeing as fuel, which doesn't affect car parks, aside there's deflation at the moment) increase?

Hilly Bill

As a percentage ye but its still only a euro and you have other options if you dont like it. Everything adds up with frequent use, why not mention how much it will cost you over 20 years while you are at it. If it was gone up from 100 to 150 quid then fair enough but i would imagine you would still complain if the cost was 50c and it went up to a euro. People just want something for nothing these days or next to nothing. Is there a thread on here about the cost of petrol gone up?

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

why not mention how much it will cost you over 20 years while you are at it.

I already dealt with this - because per annum is the metric used by everyone, except you, it appears.

If the cost was 50c and went up to a euro, I'd be complaining more at a 200% increase.

There is no justification for increases of this scale, particularly as all they're doing is monetising things which were paid for years ago.

Terrontress

Hilly Bill wrote: »

As a percentage ye but its still only a euro and you have other options if you dont like it. Everything adds up with frequent use, why not mention how much it will cost you over 20 years while you are at it. If it was gone up from 100 to 150 quid then fair enough but i would imagine you would still complain if the cost was 50c and it went up to a euro. People just want something for nothing these days or next to nothing. Is there a thread on here about the cost of petrol gone up?

They could put petrol up by 50% and it would be less than one euro increase per advertised unit. Many people have a choice not to directly use it either. Would you deem such an increase similarly irrelevant?

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

why not mention how much it will cost you over 20 years while you are at it.

You only mention 20 years, or 5 years, or whatever if it's a product or service that last that specific length of time, like a mortgage or a savings plan. The rest of the time you use annual or %.

Hilly Bill

MYOB wrote: »

I already dealt with this - because per annum is the metric used by everyone, except you, it appears.

If the cost was 50c and went up to a euro, I'd be complaining more at a 200% increase.

There is no justification for increases of this scale, particularly as all they're doing is monetising things which were paid for years ago.

How is it 200%? 100%. 50 plus 50.

The parking is still cheap there and there is no excuse to be making it out to be something extreme.

Hilly Bill

Terrontress wrote: »

They could put petrol up by 50% and it would be less than one euro increase per advertised unit. Many people have a choice not to directly use it either. Would you deem such an increase similarly irrelevant?

If the price of petrol per litre was 20c and it went up to 30c i wouldnt be moaning about it. We are talking about the increase in parking at a station which the cost of parking per day is very cheap compared to any where else and the fact that there is free parking at the next station. Its a case of overreaction as usual on here.

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

You only mention 20 years, or 5 years, or whatever if it's a product or service that last that specific length of time, like a mortgage or a savings plan. The rest of the time you use annual or %.

You mention annually if the cost per annum has gone up when you pay per annum. Its the cost per day thats gone up here so its the daily rate thats relevant not the annual rate. If the cost of your gym membership has gone 50% you work out how much is going to cost you per year not per 2 years or so.

penexpers

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What has the train driver got to do with the parking charge or how many hours he/she works?

Posters here appear to think that the increase in parking charges is going to be used to pay the drivers wages. Or something.

penexpers

MYOB wrote: »

50% is a massive increase. You can bleat about it being "1 euro" but as a percentage, it IS a massive increase, and adds up to a considerable sum over frequent use - something else you bleat about being mentioned.

A "massive" increase which can be very easily avoided. I guess they had to make the cash free option more attractive.

Victor

MYOB wrote: »

something else you bleat about being mentioned.

Given the lack of sheep taking part in this conversation, such demeaning words are inappropriate.

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

If the price of petrol per litre was 20c and it went up to 30c i wouldnt be moaning about it

If it went up from €1.50 to €2.25 would you complain?

Given your general unwillingness to complain I can only conclude that you are very well paid and have lots of disposable income.

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

How is it 200%? 100%. 50 plus 50.

The parking is still cheap there and there is no excuse to be making it out to be something extreme.

Correct, I meant 2x the increase we have now, my mistake

However, you are completely unarguable with. You're unwilling to accept 50% is a massive increase and you're unwilling to let people measure it yearly because it suddenly makes the figure look too big for you to justify.

schemingbohemia

MYOB wrote: »

Correct, I meant 2x the increase we have now, my mistake

However, you are completely unarguable with. You're unwilling to accept 50% is a massive increase and you're unwilling to let people measure it yearly because it suddenly makes the figure look too big for you to justify.

I don't think anyone is denying that a 50% price increase is significant, but again I'll state that it is easily avoidable by everyone with a phone and a credit card or laser card.

The additional charges are very very small for using parkbytext 50c a month for using the service and any text charges if you don't book online.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

L1011

schemingbohemia wrote: »

I don't think anyone is denying that a 50% price increase is significant, but again I'll state that it is easily avoidable by everyone with a phone and a credit card or laser card.

The additional charges are very very small for using parkbytext 50c a month for using the service and any text charges if you don't book online.
In the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

I wouldn't call that "easily" avoidable by any means. Having to provide your card details to park your car isn't a reasonable thing to be expected to do.

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

If it went up from €1.50 to €2.25 would you complain?

Given your general unwillingness to complain I can only conclude that you are very well paid and have lots of disposable income.

I'll complain when there is a need to complain. Dont be assuming.

Hilly Bill

MYOB wrote: »

Correct, I meant 2x the increase we have now, my mistake

However, you are completely unarguable with. You're unwilling to accept 50% is a massive increase and you're unwilling to let people measure it yearly because it suddenly makes the figure look too big for you to justify.

So the reason you use the yearly figure is to justify your argument? 50% can be a massive increase in the price of home heating oil but not when something is very cheap to start of with. A euro its gone up and you are up in arms over it. Do you use the said car park? If the parking charge was €10 and it went up to €11 would you call it a massive increase?

L1011

Hilly Bill wrote: »

So the reason you use the yearly figure is to justify your argument? 50% can be a massive increase in the price of home heating oil but not when something is very cheap to start of with. A euro its gone up and you are up in arms over it. Do you use the said car park? If the parking charge was €10 and it went up to €11 would you call it a massive increase?

No. I didn't even introduce use of the yearly figure. You, however, try to justify your argument by trying to refute the use of standard metrics and insisting that percentages are irrelevant.

€10 to €11 is a ten percent increase. Are you unable to realise that ten is significantly smaller than fifty? If you are, why are you even introducing that as a concept? Ten is closer to the CPI and might be justifiable if they'd not increased prices for, say, three years. 50% after two years, after the parking being free to begin with, is not justifiable by any means.

And I do, occasionally, use an Irish Rail car park. However with this and the fare increases, I suspect I'll drive in to the city as unless I'm there for 3+ hours, it'll be cheaper, and for more the convenience factor will outweigh the savings.