Formula 1 2012: General Discussion Thread

antodeco

Frankie Lee wrote: »

€88,000 million

dorkacle

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Lol Daniel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFnnwdlerJM

Warning: clip contains swearing.

What a muppet, he wasn't even looked where he was going. :pac:

I never liked Montoya tbh and this video just confirms that for me!

Corben Dallas

Montoya same as Maldonado .... NO WAY!!!

JPM had the talent to be world champion and was by far one of the best overtakers in F1, when Pastor 'tries' to over take someone it usually ends in carbonfibre. (And that was when there was no DRS or Kers ... u had to use skill to overtake.

It was McLaren's stupid reaction to the crash that took out Kimi(both McLarens) @ indy that made JPM jump ship to the US full time, lets not forget that JPM dominated Indycars b4 he joined F1. (It was Button backing off mid corner that gave him nowhere to go, it wasnt a 'Turkey Red bull' type team mate clash.)

Also Monza related> does JPM still hold the lap record for Monza? lap average (top?) speed of 245mph????!!!!! :eek:

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Pastor has also bankrolled his way to F1, he has speed and put together a win, but the 'red mist' seems to kick in too much, he should also get a race ban if he doesnt tone it down on track.

Daniel S

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Montoya same as Maldonado .... NO WAY!!!

JPM had the talent to be world champion and was by far one of the best overtakers in F1, when Pastor 'tries' to over take someone it usually ends in carbonfibre. (And that was when there was no DRS or Kers ... u had to use skill to overtake.

Pastor has also bankrolled his way F1, he has speed and put together a win, but the 'red mist' seems to kick in too much, he should also get a race ban if he doesnt tone it down on track.

Agree with that, but think about it. If everyone played by the rules, it wouldn't be as fun. :pac:

Infoanon

Corben Dallas wrote: »

It was McLaren's stupid reaction to the crash that took out Kimi(both McLarens) @ indy that made JPM jump ship to the US full time, lets not forget that JPM dominated Indycars b4 he joined F1.

In fairness was it not JPM reaction ? - JPM did a deal with Ganassi to do Nascar and then told Mclaren that he was off !

Corben Dallas

Montoya knew/was told whats coming down the line and left. McLaren went nuts cause Mercedes Board was at the race, ilmor, american sponsors and they were goin to nail JPM ..... so he did deal with Ganassi and left.

the culture of deference

Corben Dallas wrote: »

Montoya knew/was told whats coming down the line and left. McLaren went nuts cause Mercedes Board was at the race, ilmor, american sponsors and they were goin to nail JPM ..... so he did deal with Ganassi and left.

JPM was a legend. Very little money and backing compared to nowadays. He should have had at least 1 F1 championship to his name. I remember hearing that he use to travel on animal freight planes from Colombia to go racing in the states.

And a sense of humour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqr9U4u2j7w

the culture of deference

dorkacle wrote: »

What a muppet, he wasn't even looked where he was going. :pac:

I never liked Montoya tbh and this video just confirms that for me!

In all fairness it was the cameramans fault.

His wife is brilliant. Clip could have been a lot different.

Charlie-Bravo

the culture of deference wrote: »

In all fairness it was the cameramans fault.

His wife is brilliant. Clip could have been a lot different.

Paddock Control: The incident involving JPM and the cameraman is under investigation...

...neither were looking at each other FFS. JPM completely overreacted.

Lads stick on the Indycar finale, it's gonna be special!

the culture of deference

astrofluff wrote: »

Paddock Control: The incident involving JPM and the cameraman is under investigation...

...neither were looking at each other FFS. JPM completely overreacted.

He's latin blood in him.

He would have battered the camera man if the wife wasn't there. You can tell by Connie's reaction that this happens ALL the time.


Connie: No No NO Juan Pablo, calm it down .. calm ... calm it down. No No yes the cameraman is a pri6k

the culture of deference

Looks like Lewis in NOt going to Merc

Mercedes is offering the seven-time World Champion a new contract for 2013, while Schumacher is apparently pushing for a unilateral option that would allow him to decide to keep racing in 2014, as well.


http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-report-mercedes-offering-michael-schumacher-2013-contract/

Max_Charger

astrofluff wrote: »

Paddock Control: The incident involving JPM and the cameraman is under investigation...

Hamiltons fault.

Myrddin

Max_Charger wrote: »

Hamiltons fault.

In fairness, Schumacher had a hand in it too

Infoanon

the culture of deference wrote: »

Looks like Lewis in NOt going to Merc

Mercedes is offering the seven-time World Champion a new contract for 2013, while Schumacher is apparently pushing for a unilateral option that would allow him to decide to keep racing in 2014, as well.

Although he has a contract, if Lewis goes to Mercedes I can see Nico leaving and going to McLaren.

vectra

the culture of deference wrote: »

Looks like Lewis in NOt going to Merc

Mercedes is offering the seven-time World Champion a new contract for 2013, while Schumacher is apparently pushing for a unilateral option that would allow him to decide to keep racing in 2014, as well.


http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-report-mercedes-offering-michael-schumacher-2013-contract/

Looks like he could be going

McLaren has made contact with Sergio Perez as it explores potential replacements for Lewis Hamilton, according to the Mail on Sunday.

http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/88963.html?CMP=chrome

Myrddin

I wonder if the rumors about Schumacher looking for a two year deal are a smokescreen after Bernie let slip about him leaving? Maybe he's leaving after all, Hamilton will go to Merc & Perez will move to McLaren?

Top Dog

EnterNow wrote: »

I wonder if the rumors about Schumacher looking for a two year deal are a smokescreen after Bernie let slip about him leaving? Maybe he's leaving after all, Hamilton will go to Merc & Perez will move to McLaren?

I hate conspiracy theories :mad:

Because they always bring up valid suggestions that I hadn't previously considered :pac:

Can you tell that I'd rather not see the back of Schumi just yet?

the culture of deference

EnterNow wrote: »

In fairness, Schumacher had a hand in it too

10 race ban for Maldonado for reminding us of JPM

Alter-Ego

Can't talk about JPM without posting this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUJjm0yXNc

Tea 1000

Top Dog wrote: »

I hate conspiracy theories :mad:

Because they always bring up valid suggestions that I hadn't previously considered :pac:

Can you tell that I'd rather not see the back of Schumi just yet?

Wait until mid-way through next season, when Merc finally have a decent car and all the British tabloids spouting about Hamilton winning with ease when Schu couldn't do in 3 years therefore is better than any other driver of all time...

Myrddin

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Wait until mid-way through next season, when Merc finally have a decent car and all the British tabloids spouting about Hamilton winning with ease when Schu couldn't do in 3 years therefore is better than any other driver of all time...

God yeah, that'll do my head in

the culture of deference

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

I'd personally take Senna over Maldonado any day. Sure Maldonado got William's first win in a very long time but apart from that he has only scored one other time compared to Senna's total of 7 points scoring drives. Maldonado is quick but he always seems to be where the trouble is. Senna's consistency will in my opinion leave him higher up the scoreboard at the end of the season.

Give Maldonado a year or 2. When he calms down. He is a racer, he has cost himself loads of points but he has quallyied the car way higher than it should have been. If only they had kept Ruben's.

lolie

Cant really see senna keeping his seat near year, take the name away and he's a fairly ordinary driver.
I'd put money on bottas gettin his drive assuming he gets funding.

Also Jake humphrey leaving bbc for bt vision so wonder who'll get the f1 gig from next year?

vectra

lolie wrote: »

Cant really see senna keeping his seat near year, take the name away and he's a fairly ordinary driver.
I'd put money on bottas gettin his drive assuming he gets funding.

Agreed.

http://www.pitpass.com/47322-Sennas-Williams-future-in-doubt

Myrddin

lolie wrote: »

Also Jake humphrey leaving bbc for bt vision so wonder who'll get the f1 gig from next year?

Ah ffs is he leaving? The golden era of F1 presentation will truly come to en end. 2009 to 2011 with Jake, Eddie, Brundle & dare I say it, DC as the presentation team was a real joy to watch. Full & complete weekend coverage, no ads, Red Button Forum, Classic GP's...& all for free.

If Jake leaves & DC gets the job it may just be enough to kick me over to Sky. Setanta is unbearable as is, but without the BBC weekends to look forward to I think I'll seek greener pastures {not that I hear Sky is all that great but still, the coverage sounds world class}

frostie500

It's just an extension of what we've seen all year. The coverage that the BBC gave was hands down the best in the sports history. It was informative and funny and brought so many new fans to F1 (and indeed a lot of old fans back)

This year with Brundle, Ted, Crofty and Davidson all moving to SKY the BBC product was weakend but SKY has seemed cold or impresonal for me this year, even though when the race starts Brundle is still the best commentor on F1. Meanwhile the BBC pre-race stuff is still superb and the banter between EJ, Jake and DC has been as good ever....however I dont like Ben Edwards as the lead commentator.

Now we have a situation where there are two channels each offering a product that is very good (compared to previous years) but isnt a patch on what we had before. I know there was nothing that could be done about the way the deals transpired but its sad that the coverage has suffered to such a degree

Myrddin

frostie500 wrote: »

Now we have a situation where there are two channels each offering a product that is very good

All true. But the problem with BBC's offering is that it's only 50% of the season, meaning it has to go hand in hand with Setanta.

And speaking of Setanta, the UPC rep here has agreed to pass our feedback onto marketing. I know there's no plans yet for UPC to carry Sky F1...but if enough of us made a loud enough noise, maybe that will change in the future?

Post here & make some 2.4 litre v8 noises and help the plight - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056754192

jsn.peters

Any new F1 threads ?

the culture of deference

I have got use to sky now. Herbert is excellent, Brundle and crofty the same. Damon is still a bit wooden but he is a WC. The practise sessions are where you hear the best banter.

The coverage is repetitive but I couldn't watch BBC highlights anymore.

Myrddin

the culture of deference wrote: »

I have got use to sky now. Herbert is excellent, Brundle and crofty the same. Damon is still a bit wooden but he is a WC. The practise sessions are where you hear the best banter.

The coverage is repetitive but I couldn't watch BBC highlights anymore.

BBC without Jake is the death knell of BBC coverage for me. I know they made this deal with Sky to save money, I wonder how many viewers it will costs them in the end though

Sky's coverage has improved over the course of the season, the two main weakpoints for me are Lazenby and that they just seem to try to fit too much into some sessions.

Jordan 199

Alonso: any new Ferrari driver must be stronger than Massa.

Fernando Alonso says Ferrari must be convinced it is hiring a driver who is stronger than Felipe Massa if it decides to replace the Brazilian.

Massa's future at the Maranello team has been in doubt since the opening few races of the season. Several drivers, including Sergio Perez, have been linked to his seat in recent months.

Alonso labelled the drivers on that list as "little names" compared to Massa and his achievements in Formula 1.

"I've been working with Felipe for three years now and we have a very good relationship," said Alonso on Thursday in Singapore.

"If the team decides to change Felipe, anyone who arrives has to be better than Felipe.

"I've seen a lot of names written, and I don't know if they have been written with the head or the heart.

"With all the names you hear, if you compare what Felipe has done in Formula 1 and what these little names have done in Formula 1..."

The two-time champion stressed that another priority for Ferrari should be to find a driver who respects its tradition and is ready to work for the team.

"I think we need to respect the decision the team will make," said Alonso.

"In my opinion we need to have a driver that respects Ferrari, that respects the tradition that here we work for the team, for the red cars, and this is the first priority."

Article on Autosport.

Myrddin

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Schumacher it is then :pac:

Joking aside, surely thats really really unlikely?

Jordan 199

EnterNow wrote: »

Joking aside, surely thats really really unlikely?

Indeed. I can see Schumi staying at Mercedes.

If Massa is replaced at Ferrari, it will be with a driver who will do a better job, but also a driver that won't scare Alonso.

the culture of deference

EnterNow wrote: »

Joking aside, surely thats really really unlikely?

Who knows what idea's for the show Bernie has in his head. Remember Irvine going to Ferrari.

Would MS ever go back there?

Rascasse

Could you imagine him getting the "Fernando is faster than you" call?

No chance of him going back to Ferrari I reckon. In that article Fernando basically says he wants Massa, and thats what'll probably happen.

Myrddin

Rascasse wrote: »

Could you imagine him getting the "Fernando is faster than you" call?

No chance of him going back to Ferrari I reckon. In that article Fernando basically says he wants Massa, and thats what'll probably happen.

I tend to agree, its not a role that would suit Alonso nor Schumacher

Frank Bullitt

I see Massa getting another year, if he can keep his form from Monza.

I also think Hamilton will stay at McLaren.

lord lucan

Provisional calendar for next year according to Autosport.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102674

Wouldn't mind a spin over for Canada & New Jersey back to back.:)

Myrddin

Hamilton with a silver helmet, hmm

Also no audio feed for Setanta's coverage of FP1. "Circumstances beyond our control"...bollox, what a utter tripe channel.

Myrddin

Vettel sporting another new helmet design, this time incorporating flashing led's onto the top of it. Getting a bit much at this stage

the culture of deference

Rascasse wrote: »

No chance of him going back to Ferrari I reckon. In that article Fernando basically says he wants Massa, and thats what'll probably happen.

EnterNow wrote: »

I tend to agree, its not a role that would suit Alonso nor Schumacher

For reputation Alonso would have to dominate MS. Anything less would be a failure for him against a 21 year veteran. MS is still driving to WC standards and this year he could have been up there but for car failure.

EnterNow wrote: »

Vettel sporting another new helmet design, this time incorporating flashing led's onto the top of it. Getting a bit much at this stage

He is turning into lady Gaga or peter gabriel. A new hat even time he go's outside

Jordan 199

EnterNow wrote: »

Vettel sporting another new helmet design, this time incorporating flashing led's onto the top of it. Getting a bit much at this stage

I'd say all those helmet design changes are down to Red Bull and not Vettel.

Myrddin

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I'd say all those helmet design changes are down to Red Bull and not Vettel.

Why wouldn't Webber be changing the designs too in that case? I'd say he gets paid a fortune to advertise different designs etc

EnterNow

EnterNow wrote: »

Why wouldn't Webber be changing the designs too in that case? I'd say he gets paid a fortune to advertise different designs etc

Impossible to know but Webber isn't the golden boy like Vettel is. If it was Red Bull insisting on it it would be Vettel indirectly getting paid by advertisers. I just think it's Vettel not giving a crap about tradition and adding more money to his/Red Bull's pile.

Jordan 199

EnterNow wrote: »

Why wouldn't Webber be changing the designs too in that case? I'd say he gets paid a fortune to advertise different designs etc

It's because Vettel was backed by Red Bull in other formula before he came to F1. He has a long association with Red Bull.

the culture of deference

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I'd say all those helmet design changes are down to Red Bull and not Vettel.

No it is Vettel. He wants to keep all his own memorobilia

Max_Charger

Designs are by Jens Munser, Seb has an input but nothing to do with Red Bull. He purely designs racing helmets for drivers. http://www.jmd.de/neu/

Myrddin

My first day watching Sky F1...now I like Hamilton I've no probs saying that...but jesus christ, is Herbert in love with him or something?