Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

Jen Pigs Fly

mikom wrote: »

Tell him he will indeed be paying a few thousand later, should this tax take hold.

I thought the tax is only for people who didn't pay
What my dad does is his own business, he would put his foot down regarding extra taxes, claiming he was told if he paid the 100euro that's it, nothing extra.
I'm really uninformed about this, all I get are conflicting opinions on views on it, can't find hard, solid facts.

What I really want to know is, when I finish college and I decide to share a room in a house, do I have to pay 100euro?

bgrizzley

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

My dad paid his today.
He said he'd rather pay 100 now than a few thousand later.

He does have a point, he's already losing almost 50% of his income due to taxes.

thats sad Jenny, but i can understand the pressure that people are under with the threats of fines, courts, prison, wages being stopped.
Hopefully he wont have to pay it next year, if things go as they are looking likely to now.

bgrizzley

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

I thought the tax is only for people who didn't pay
What my dad does is his own business, he would put his foot down regarding extra taxes, claiming he was told if he paid the 100euro that's it, nothing extra.
I'm really uninformed about this, all I get are conflicting opinions on views on it, can't find hard, solid facts.

What I really want to know is, when I finish college and I decide to share a room in a house, do I have to pay 100euro?

i believe landlords will add it on to the rent. sorry


edit
not 100 euros but divided between tenants

squod

dvpower wrote: »

Have a wee read of the link you posted.

You're mixing two parts of the article.

No again. I'm quoting two articles.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1114/breaking38.html

Jen Pigs Fly

bgrizzley wrote: »

thats sad Jenny, but i can understand the pressure that people are under with the threats of fines, courts, prison, wages being stopped.
Hopefully he wont have to pay it next year, if things go as they are looking likely to now.

He held of for as long as possible, left it almost last minute. decided it was best for what small chance of protection it may give against fines/court cases/etc.

He would have been considered a high earner during boom years, now his monthly income is halved. My mam is working part time in the public sector, at least she's stable enough.

bgrizzley wrote: »

i believe landlords will add it on to the rent. sorry


edit
not 100 euros but divided between tenants

So there's probably no point in my original plan of gaining some independence by living away for a few months. :rolleyes:

squod

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

So there's probably no point in my original plan of gaining some independence by living away for a few months. :rolleyes:

Don't let the b*stards grind you down.

dvpower

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

I thought the tax is only for people who didn't pay
What my dad does is his own business, he would put his foot down regarding extra taxes, claiming he was told if he paid the 100euro that's it, nothing extra.
I'm really uninformed about this, all I get are conflicting opinions on views on it, can't find hard, solid facts.

There is nothing extra - just a €100 charge. It is an annual charge and it is going to increase next year (we know this because we've already agreed to increase it with the trioka), but no solid figures have been put on what the amount will be.

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

What I really want to know is, when I finish college and I decide to share a room in a house, do I have to pay 100euro?

No. The charge is only payable by homeowners, not by people renting.
Your landlord would have to pay the charge, so this cost might be reflected in the rent, but you would not get a tax bill.

Jen Pigs Fly

squod wrote: »

Don't let the b*stards grind you down.

Ah I'm going to see what happens regarding that. Wouldn't there be a problem though if say 4 people shared a house, and 2 wanted to pay their 25 but the other two tenants didn't ....

Be a fun house meeting.

bgrizzley

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

He held of for as long as possible, left it almost last minute. decided it was best for what small chance of protection it may give against fines/court cases/etc.

He would have been considered a high earner during boom years, now his monthly income is halved. My mam is working part time in the public sector, at least she's stable enough.



So there's probably no point in my original plan of gaining some independence by living away for a few months.

a lot of people in that position and its not being taken into account by the government. But all is not lost. when the government starts threatening people like they are it usually means they are scared....
the people are speaking

Jen Pigs Fly

dvpower wrote: »

There is nothing extra - just a €100 charge. It is an annual charge and it is going to increase next year (we know this because we've already agreed to increase it with the trioka), but no solid figures have been put on what the amount will be.



No. The charge is only payable by homeowners, not by people renting.
Your landlord would have to pay the charge, so this cost might be reflected in the rent, but you would not get a tax bill.

Thanks for putting it all down simply for me. I'm surprised colleges arn't being approached with info about all of this. It's where future home owners/renters can be found in a concentrated group.

dvpower

squod wrote: »

No again. I'm quoting two articles.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1114/breaking38.html

@squod

Here's what you posted.

Unite has urged its 60,000 members not register for the charge before the March 31st deadline

A motion calling for a ballot for industrial action if members have to deduct the charge from wages will be discussed at the union’s national conference next month.

This suggests that Unite will be submitting a motion to ballot for industrial action. This isn't the case - it is the CPSU that will submitting the motion.
You just mixed two seperate parts of the article together - its really no big deal.

demanufactured

http://nohouseholdtax.org/national-assembly-march-24th/

crusher000

I'm against the tax and also can't afford to pay it. Do not have the money to pay full mortage this month, the tax is up on my car and can't afford even the amount for three months.I have a family to put food on the table for also. Both my wife and I are working and can't make enough to pay our monthly bills. Where can I get another 100 from ? Increasing taxes when we're in austerity mode is not the answer. I'll have to take penalties and keep going until it goes to court if that's what this government is about. Not looking for sympathy as I know my situation isn't the exception but becoming the norm. What's the point in paying a property tax if I'm struggling to keep my property ? I can't understand why the government are adding to the suffering but are going to carry on regardless and if a few more people get pushed aside so be it. Compassion is a word that seems to have dis appeared from our vocabulary.

TwoShedsJackson

crusher000 wrote: »

I'm against the tax and also can't afford to pay it. Do not have the money to pay full mortage this month, the tax is up on my car and can't afford even the amount for three months.I have a family to put food on the table for also. Both my wife and I are working and can't make enough to pay our monthly bills. Where can I get another 100 from ? Increasing taxes when we're in austerity mode is not the answer. I'll have to take penalties and keep going until it goes to court if that's what this government is about. Not looking for sympathy as I know my situation isn't the exception but becoming the norm. What's the point in paying a property tax if I'm struggling to keep my property ? I can't understand why the government are adding to the suffering but are going to carry on regardless and if a few more people get pushed aside so be it. Compassion is a word that seems to have dis appeared from our vocabulary.

You have your priorities right - keep a roof over your heads, the lights on, and food on the table - this tax comes dead last on the list.

dvpower

demanufactured wrote: »

http://nohouseholdtax.org/national-assembly-march-24th/

They're still trying to fill the 2000 places for this?

Don't be worrying - I'm sure there will be a surge as the date approaches.

demanufactured

Origionally posted by greenpilot.

11 days of false propaganda ahead. The head of the "Household Charge Collection Agency," Jackie Maguire has been peddling statistics like there is no tomorrow. She thinks that over 1.4 million households will register before the end of March. Here are some interesting details:

1. Jackie Maguire (JM) says the household charge website activity is up 2 fold
FACT :The site traffic is in decline month on month
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/householdcharge.ie#

alexa is like the TAM or JNLR of web traffic. external audience size
sampling based on browser toolbar user stats.

2. JM says that registrations have seen “significant increase over the last
ten days”
not true

average day rate prior to Feb 20th was 2115
average day rate 20 – 27 Feb was 2937

That is a 0.3 fold increase. which is not significant.

3. JM & morning ireland talk of 1.6M needing to register. but
previously JM said and knows it is 1.8M
so they are not 1.4M off the total they are 1.66M off

4. JM says general trend is upward. true. but it only amounts to 30%
increase on extremely flat figures.
if there was a 1000% increase (ten fold) from now to March 31st then
there would still be 700,000 not registered.
And right now they have a 30% increase.

Projected non registered at current rate is 1,596,562 source
http://cahwt.net/calc/

***

Don't give into the FG-Labour hype and propaganda. You saw where that got you in the last election.

Special exemptions to pay advisers €150,000 a year, Ruairi Quinn fiddling his mileage expenses, James Reilly paying €604 on coffee machines for his offic as outlined here:

James Reilly spent €624 of taxpayers’ money on two deluxe Bewley’s coffee machines — one for each of his offices. One has been installed in his office in the health department at Hawkins House while the other sits in his Leinster House rooms.

His spokesman said the minister needed the machines because he worked long hours and the Dáil restaurant and department canteen were not always open.

* He has received tax breaks for maintaining his 13-bed family mansion in Co Offaly. He received tax breaks for six years running to help pay for renovations to the three-storey Laughton House, which is surrounded by 150 acres of farm and woodland.

Oh and by the way, the chairman of the RTÉ board is Tom Savage. Tom who is married to Terry Prone and is Anton Savage of Today FM's Dad is also a director of "The Communications Clinic."

"So what" you might say.

Well, here's what:

James Reilly, the health minister, paid a public relations company €15,000 for advice on health reform as well as for speech writing advice, his office confirmed.

He paid the money last year to the Communications Clinic, whose directors are PR consultant Terry Prone and Tom Savage, the chairman of the RTÉ board.


**

I wonder if the Chairman of the board of RTÉ worries about whether or not a customer of his is criticised on RTÉ programmes?

I wonder if Terry Prone is nervous of criticising a valued customer of hers in her columns in the Examiner or when she is giving her expert opinion on various RTÉ programmes?

Vote NO to the household charge and stop funding this casino.

Allow me to change your mind...

mconigol

dvpower wrote: »

They're still trying to fill the 2000 places for this?

Don't be worrying - I'm sure there will be a surge as the date approaches.

You seem to like predicting surges...:pac:

Maybe there will be no surge for a street protest. It won't make a blind bit of difference if nobody turns up at a protest march unlike if a surge of registrations doesn't materialise however.

demanufactured

mconigol wrote: »

You seem to like predicting surges...:pac:

Maybe there will be no surge for a street protest. It won't make a blind bit of difference if nobody turns up at a protest march unlike if a surge of registrations doesn't materialise however.

Loves the auld surges does dv.

dvpower

mconigol wrote: »

You seem to like predicting surges...:pac:

Maybe there will be no surge for a street protest. It won't make a blind bit of difference if nobody turns up at a protest march unlike if a surge of registrations doesn't materialise however.

I'd be surprised if there aren't at least 3000 people at the National Stadium protest. They would want pictures of an oversubscribed event on the news, not a half empty stadium.

If nobody turns up at the national rally, its hardly going to encourage any waverers, is it?

demanufactured

http://nohouseholdtax.org/your-questions-answered/

http://nohouseholdtax.org/were-winning-weve-got-them-scared/

demanufactured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXIIieaQf-w

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

They're still trying to fill the 2000 places for this?

Don't be worrying - I'm sure there will be a surge as the date approaches.

I'd far rather take my chances on getting a stadium filled with 2,000 people, than be in the Govts position in hoping that 750 times this amount (1 and a half million) or in figures (1500000) people sign up for this sham charge in 10 days time.....

DV, be serious........

Whats the chances of 150,000 people, per day, signing up to this:pac:

lazygal

demanufactured wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXIIieaQf-w

Who would want to be associated with that bunch of ould fellas? Gave me the creeps.

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

Donal, you and I differ greatly on the definition of the word intimidation.


Synonyms: intimidate, browbeat, bulldoze, cow 2 , bully 1 , bludgeon These verbs all mean to frighten into submission, compliance, or acquiescence. Intimidate implies the presence or operation of a fear-inspiring force: "It [atomic energy] may intimidate the human race into bringing order into its international affairs" (Albert Einstein). Browbeat suggests the persistent application of highhanded, disdainful, or imperious tactics: browbeating a witness. Bulldoze connotes the leveling of all spirit of opposition: was bulldozed into hiring an unacceptable candidate. Cow implies bringing out an abject state of timorousness and often demoralization: a dog that was cowed by abuse. To bully is to intimidate through blustering, domineering, or threatening behavior: workers who were bullied into accepting a poor contract. Bludgeon suggests the use of grossly aggressive or combative methods: had to be bludgeoned into fulfilling his duties.

The only people attempting intimidation of any kind are the ones on this thread with their empty threats of people unable to sell homes, getting fined, court appearances etc etc.

And quite predictably, Dx fails to respond once again, which displays a total lack of balls on his part, unsurprising though, its certainly not the first time he's made completely unfounded allegations on this thread.

You say intimidation is to scare someone into compliance, well surely by continually telling someone not to pay this charge because next year they will be paying an awful lot more would fall under your definition of intimidation. Trying to get someone to comply with the non payment campaign by this kind of scaremongering is also intimidation surely.

Or do you just apply the definition when it suits you?

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

Tell him he will indeed be paying a few thousand later, should this tax take hold.

Can you provide a link for this please, something showing where it says the Household Charge will be a few thousand later. Thanks

Ghandee

donalg1 wrote: »

You say intimidation is to scare someone into compliance, well surely by continually telling someone not to pay this charge because next year they will be paying an awful lot more would fall under your definition of intimidation. Trying to get someone to comply with the non payment campaign by this kind of scaremongering is also intimidation surely.

Or do you just apply the definition when it suits you?

No Donal.

What I'm telling people would fall under the definition of truth my friend.
Maybe it wont shoot up next year, but it more than likely will the year after that, this much we all know.

Why do the Govt refuse to tell us otherwise?
Why have the Govt refused to tell us next to nothing about the charge?

Me telling people truthfully, that they already are paying for what this charge claims to be representing Donal, is not intimidation, it is truth!

I'd be the first to start supporting this charge if it was like the domestic rates system in place in the six counties, where once paid, all local services have been paid for the year, (not to mention free health care)

The sneaky fact is, that once this charge gets slipped on to yours, his, and every other household on this tiny island of 4 million people, it will be here to stay along with all the other charges on top.

There is a big difference in truth and scaremongering!

You can fool some people some time.......

Bruthal

lazygal wrote: »

Who would want to be associated with that bunch of ould fellas? Gave me the creeps.

Its not actualy a dating event. It would be too much effort for you anyway.

Bruthal

donalg1 wrote: »

You say intimidation is to scare someone into compliance, well surely by continually telling someone not to pay this charge because next year they will be paying an awful lot more would fall under your definition of intimidation. Trying to get someone to comply with the non payment campaign by this kind of scaremongering is also intimidation surely.

Or do you just apply the definition when it suits you?

People will be paying an awful lot more. No?

Frank Black

robbie7730 wrote: »

Its not actualy a dating event. It would be too much effort for you anyway.

Perhaps not a dating event, but the point is well made.
The 'no' side is made up of a group of people who I would run a mile from before I associated myself with.
The Shinners, Joe Higgens, Joan Collins, The Unions, Wild Bill, People Before Profit - a vertible who's who of crazies and social retards.

€100 is a small price to pay, for not be in anyway associated with this lot.


(Cue outraged responses droning on and on about how the charge won't be €100 next year........)

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

No Donal.

What I'm telling people would fall under the definition of truth my friend.
Maybe it wont shoot up next year, but it more than likely will the year after that, this much we all know.

Why do the Govt refuse to tell us otherwise?
Why have the Govt refused to tell us next to nothing about the charge?

Me telling people truthfully, that they already are paying for what this charge claims to be representing Donal, is not intimidation, it is truth!

I'd be the first to start supporting this charge if it was like the domestic rates system in place in the six counties, where once paid, all local services have been paid for the year, (not to mention free health care)

The sneaky fact is, that once this charge gets slipped on to yours, his, and every other household on this tiny island of 4 million people, it will be here to stay along with all the other charges on top.

There is a big difference in truth and scaremongering!

You can fool some people some time.......

Some people here are saying that if you dont pay by the 31st March the amount due increases by €10 for six months and after that it increases again. This is called scaremongering by the anti brigade yet this is the truth "my friend".

Since when was outlining the facts known as scaremongering? As it is not a rumour then it cant really be scaremongering can it?

However the fact that the anti brigade are saying the household charge will increase massively for anyone that registers this year is based on rumour and not fact which would be more in line with the definition of scaremongering, which I am sure you can appreciate as you seem to like definitions so much.