Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

srsly78

Wild Bill wrote: »

And how, exactly, would one do that? :rolleyes:

Lots of selfemployed people pay as they earn thru the ROS system. This requires them to fill out a P30 form every 3 months with the amount of paye due. If you are not self-employed then your boss/accounts-person does this for the company (which includes your contribution).

The person that uses the ROS system thus has control of how much paye is declared. They could withhold it this way... Is a really dumb idea of course, that will get them fined heavily.

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Fair enough - you can always forego the extra tenner and opt for the court route

Will Seanie Fitzpatrick be up before me?
Perhaps they will try a non-household tax pensioner before him?

CajunOnTour

dvpower wrote: »

*backs away slowly*

Backing away from the truth won't make it any less true and that's not a bad summary of the situation by Bill.

alastair

mikom wrote: »

Will Seanie Fitzpatrick be up before me?
Perhaps they will try a non-household tax pensioner before him?

Whattaboutery! how novel!

You'll still be prosecuted if you break the law.

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

Its just like when you don't own a car, motor tax dept still want you to register for not having one!

No they dont

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Whattaboutery! how novel!

You'll still be prosecuted if you break the law.

So over 1 million people ( many low income) going by the current figures will be prosecuted before Seanie Fitzpatrick or another banker have seen a judge.
Get ta fuck.

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

Whattaboutery! how novel!

You'll still be prosecuted if you break the law.

Look out Alastair !!! There's a Yeti behind you !!!

Bullseye1

If the number of people registering ends up being very low by the end of the month it would cost them more to collect the money then they propose to take in especially if they decide to go the court route.

tayto lover

alastair wrote: »

She said nothing to me. Must have been later.

No. I was laughing, not her

donalg1

Wild Bill wrote: »

And how, exactly, would one do that? :rolleyes:




It's a "law" perpetrated by an illegitimate Regime with no democratic mandate.

We have a moral duty to fight it.

Seriously enough with the illegitimate Regime nonsense, it was a democratically held election, maybe you need to go to a different thread even start one in the conspiracy theory forum and air your nonsense there, you could entitle it "Who thinks I am crazy" hell you could even create a poll, fairly one sided towards the yes side I reckon though.

Biggins

alastair wrote: »

You'll still be prosecuted if you break the law.

:pac:

Bless! Your young!

How many TD's (and Golden circle/Drumcondra Mafia, etc) alone have possibly got away with stuff (and more to come after a never ending waiting game for a Mahon report, is released!) ?

alastair

mikom wrote: »

So over 1 million people ( many low income) going by the current figures will be prosecuted before Seanie Fitzpatrick or another banker have seen a judge.
Get ta fuck.

Not at all - do try and keep up.

Lots of people too lazy to bother registering, lots of people determined to express their distaste by late registration, lots of people who are utterly confused by the whole deal, and whatever number of people who don't actually intend to pay, won't have regsistered by the self-reg deadline.

The awful consequences that will rain down on the majority will be a tenner late reg fine. Nowt to do with Seanie, courts or anything else you'd like to summon up.

But if you're being honest - then yep - you'll be up in court with whatever costs that entails.

donalg1

Bullseye1 wrote: »

If the number of people registering ends up being very low by the end of the month it would cost them more to collect the money then they propose to take in especially if they decide to go the court route.

Nobody is going to be prosecuted and nobody will be brought to court. It will just remain as a charge against the property until paid thats all.

Maybe they will just lump it on to the property tax the first year thats introduced, that would make more sense, (actually as it makes sense they definitely wont do it)

seamus

Wild Bill wrote: »

And how, exactly, would one do that? :rolleyes:

Tell your employer that you would prefer to become a contractor and declare your income yourself. Your employer will save on PRSI, they'd jump at the chance to get you off their books.

Then withhold your income tax from the taxman. He doesn't know how much you're earning.

Bullseye1

Of course they were democratically elected, but not on the route they have taken. Do you not admit that they made promises and hoodwinked people.

If you get elected on lies and false promises how is that democratic?

donalg1 wrote: »

Seriously enough with the illegitimate Regime nonsense, it was a democratically held election, maybe you need to go to a different thread even start one in the conspiracy theory forum and air your nonsense there, you could entitle it "Who thinks I am crazy" hell you could even create a poll, fairly one sided towards the yes side I reckon though.

Bullseye1

donalg1 wrote: »

Nobody is going to be prosecuted and nobody will be brought to court. It will just remain as a charge against the property until paid thats all.

Maybe they will just lump it on to the property tax the first year thats introduced, that would make more sense, (actually as it makes sense they definitely wont do it)

That's not what the pro tax posters have been saying. They have been warning of the consequences of not paying the tax. Court appearances, fines, government seeking costs etc.

mikom

alastair wrote: »

Not at all - do try and keep up.

Lots of people too lazy to bother registering, lots of people determined to express their distaste by late registration, lots of people who are utterly confused by the whole deal, and whatever number of people who don't actually intend to pay, won't have regsistered by the self-reg deadline.

The awful consequences that will rain down on the majority will be a tenner late reg fine. Nowt to do with Seanie, courts or anything else you'd like to summon up.

But if you're being honest - then yep - you'll be up in court with whatever costs that entails.

Sounds like a deal.

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donalg1 wrote: »

Nobody is going to be prosecuted and nobody will be brought to court.

That's not what Hulk Hogan said.
There go those mixed messages again........

Wild Bill

Thanks Cajun: I've analyzed the MO of the tax-groupies here (all three or four of them :rolleyes:):

(1) Their arguments consist almost solely of making various threats on behalf of their Regime.
(2) When someone makes a well supported point (often with links) they resort to mindless abuse and name calling; they never engage the points made.
(3) They "thank" one anothers fact free utterances systematically to give the impression that there is some support for their unsupportable position.

And they repeat this endlessly through 7,000 posts - most written by the same tiny band of Regime supporters.

Apparently they seem to think reality can be changed by this process :cool:

alastair

Biggins wrote: »

:pac:

Bless! Your young!

How many TD's (and Golden circle/Drumcondra Mafia, etc) alone have possibly got away with stuff (and more to come after a never ending waiting game for a Mahon report, is released!) ?

More whattaboutery!

Just go into any day's court session - the banal reality is that small-scale tax evasion is the meat and potatoes of the court system - it's not exactly rocket science to prosecute. Don't pay this thing, insist on your day in court and risk paying well over the odds.

donalg1

Bullseye1 wrote: »

That's not what the pro tax posters have been saying. They have been warning of the consequences of not paying the tax. Court appearances, fines, government seeking costs etc.

Bit OTT on their part though really, fact is the fines are outlined and it states that they will remain on the property thats all, none of this court s***e etc... thats just a load of blown out of proportion guesswork basically.

Certainly wont be anyone going to prison for not paying this charge absolutely no chance of that happening.

Biggins

alastair wrote: »

More whattaboutery!

Just go into any day's court session - the banal reality is that small-scale tax evasion is the meat and potatoes of the court system - it's not exactly rocket science to prosecute. Don't pay this thing, insist on your day in court and risk paying well over the odds.

Good luck to them bringing 1,33333 (approx) people to court then.
Its going to rightly jam up the system!

Wild Bill

donalg1 wrote: »

Seriously enough with the illegitimate Regime nonsense, it was a democratically held election,

The people voted to extinguish FF policy and voted for two parties that would "burn bondholders" and "renegotiate" - etc etc.

The people then got the precise policies they had massively rejected.

Thus the people were disenfranchised; the Regime is illegitimate and the place to point that out is right here where the reality-deniers are supporting an attack, with threats of violence on the Irish people - by an illegitimate Regime.

Regardless of you views on the actual house tax there is only one moral and appropriate response to this attack; fight it with every means possible.

A collateral benefit might be to hasten the inevitable of the crash of the euro-bank extortion policy; the sooner it happens, the sooner recovery can begin.

alastair

Biggins wrote: »

Good luck to them bringing 1,33333 (approx) people to court then.
Its going to rightly jam up the system!

Good luck with believing anywhere near that figure actually oppose payment.

donalg1

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Of course they were democratically elected, but not on the route they have taken. Do you not admit that they made promises and hoodwinked people.

If you get elected on lies and false promises how is that democratic?

So basically they are the same as every other government ever elected in every democratic election in the world throughout the history of time. How come when they were banging on about fixing the countries finances and not paying any attention to the EU IMF during their election campaign I knew this was a load of bull. It was obvious they would have to do exactly what they were told to do by the lads in Europe, I cant be the only one here to have known this.

Biggins

alastair wrote: »

Good luck with believeing anywhere near that figure actually oppose payment.

Aye, that many, it must have all slipped their minds instead.
If only it had of been publicised and spoken about on tv, radio and the papers!
Darn those media types - they never cover some large stories or events!

(I'm realistic - of course some don't oppose it and will pay it at some stage.
care to guess though what % do really oppose it though?)

alastair

Biggins wrote: »

Aye, that many, it must have all slipped their minds instead.
If only it had of been publicised and spoken about on tv, radio and the papers!
Darn those media types - they never cover some large stories or events!

The SSIA scheme had about a year's media coverage - free money! Look at the sign-up profile for that - and the numbers who missed the boat through tardiness. We're not a nation known for our efficiency in signing up for stuff.

Biggins

alastair wrote: »

The SSIA scheme had about a year's media coverage - free money! Look at the sign-up profile for that - and the numbers who missed the boat through tardiness. We're not a nation known for our efficiency in signing up for stuff.

We can rush fast enough, laws for the internet though, related copyright and for the drinks business, when FG and co fear their mates might be losing profit?
Our FG/Labour TD's signed up to those law bills fast enough!

Chucky the tree

Biggins wrote: »

Aye, that many, it must have all slipped their minds instead.
If only it had of been publicised and spoken about on tv, radio and the papers!
Darn those media types - they never cover some large stories or events!

(I'm realistic - of course some don't oppose it and will pay it at some stage.
care to guess though what % do really oppose it though?)

Ever been to an off-license the day before Good Friday? It's not like off-licences being closed on a Good Friday is a little known fact either.

alastair

Biggins wrote: »

We can rush through fast enough, laws for the internet though, related copyright and for the drinks business, when FG and co fear their mates might be losing profit?

Apples and Oranges - but then you knew that already.

donalg1

Wild Bill wrote: »

The people voted to extinguish FF policy and voted for two parties that would "burn bondholders" and "renegotiate" - etc etc.

The people then got the precise policies they had massively rejected.

Thus the people were disenfranchised; the Regime is illegitimate and the place to point that out is right here where the reality-deniers are supporting an attack, with threats of violence on the Irish people - by an illegitimate Regime.

Regardless of you views on the actual house tax there is only one moral and appropriate response to this attack; fight it with every means possible.

A collateral benefit might be to hasten the inevitable of the crash of the euro-bank extortion policy; the sooner it happens, the sooner recovery can begin.

Only problem being FF werent actually in power then, they signed our sovereignty away the night the two Brian's decided it would be a good idea to hand a blank cheque to the banks without actually asking them how much they need.

You see that night would have been the time for protest, so you are a little late.

The last election was held for no other reason than to get rid of FF as they were so disliked at the time, the promises made by all parties were empty as they were never going to have any power.

The sooner you realise we are ruled by Europe the better you will be, you could even take the tin foil hat off then.