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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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    #8552
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    donalg1 wrote: »
    smash wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    It's the same kind of a response you have been giving for a while now. Suppose it is easier than admitting your wrong or answering my questions
    Which question Donal? I have no idea wtf you're actually talking about now!

    I have asked you where you heard that the household charge next year will be based on the amount of a mortgage you borrowed and I have asked you to supply something showing this. So will you please answer that question now?

    Well I'm still waiting.


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    #8553
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Cicero wrote: »
    I don't believe so.:)

    It's worth too much....by next year all processes will be in place - online, post office, forms- just like the car tax - the biggest issue with this tax is not the principle of it....but the fact that "The People" feel aggrieved that proper communication and administration was not put in place ....and so we should feel that way..If the government do a U turn on this, the will loose over a Billion Euro in a 6 year period...not a move likely to happen IMO

    Don't figure:confused:

    How many BILLIONS have they lost to unsecured bondholders at the press of a button, which certainly happened a bit quicker than over 'six years'?


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    #8554
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    donalg1 wrote: »
    No I said negative equity only comes into it when the property is being sold. So don't bother trying to twist my words

    I dont need to twist words. You said negative equity only matters when a person is trying to sell.

    In repossessions, people are not trying to sell. Maybe the bank will be more reluctant to repossess a negative equity home though.


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    #8555
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Ghandee wrote: »
    :D
    Welcome back Paddy!

    Big Phil has been a big question mark in the FG camp exactly.
    He's a sign of uncertainty yet righteousness also.

    He's currently being seen as a millstone around the govt's neck, and has made a pigs ear of this whole fiasco from start to (almost) finish.

    If I was big Phil, I'd be worried about my job right now.......



    Edit..... Na, actually just seen his guaranteed pension........ He'll not be on beans and toast, that's for sure.


    Its good to be back.:D


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    #8556
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Its good to be back.:D

    Good to have ye back:)


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    #8557
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Cicero wrote: »
    I don't believe either pensioners or those on unemployment assistance should be asked to pay...

    These groups of people most often have more disposable income than anyone else!


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    #8558
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    No I said negative equity only comes into it when the property is being sold. So don't bother trying to twist my words

    I dont need to twist words. You said negative equity only matters when a person is trying to sell.

    In repossessions, people are not trying to sell. Maybe the bank will be more reluctant to repossess a negative equity home though.

    So you are twisting my words then ok. Tell me how negative equity matters if the property isn't being sold


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    #8559
    constitutionus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    issue on primetime now for those interested !

    :)


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    #8560
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    donalg1 wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    smash wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    It's the same kind of a response you have been giving for a while now. Suppose it is easier than admitting your wrong or answering my questions
    Which question Donal? I have no idea wtf you're actually talking about now!

    I have asked you where you heard that the household charge next year will be based on the amount of a mortgage you borrowed and I have asked you to supply something showing this. So will you please answer that question now?

    Well I'm still waiting.

    Hello are you there smash or are you gone again. I'm sure you will be back tomorrow with some more crazy claims.


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    #8561
    lastlaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭lastlaugh


    Primetime is on about it now...


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    #8562
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    So its now An Posts fault,according to Phil Hogan.

    FFS,has he got any balls on him to say he got it wrong and that he is SORRY.


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    #8563
    constitutionus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    "typical irish fashion "

    jays phil, contain the contempt .

    your in enough hot water over this as it is !

    spoofing about the troika again. hasnt the balls to say its FG/LAB decision

    :D


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    #8564
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Wtf is this lad looking for an extension for people have had three months to understand the payment process it's hardly f***ing rocket science. What a chump


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    #8565
    constitutionus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    theres goes the ring fencing for public services !

    admin comes out of this too.

    by the way, whens the last time anyone saw a road sweeper in their estate/area?

    i havent seen one since the 80s !


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    #8566
    Cicero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,144 ✭✭✭✭Cicero


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    These groups of people most often have more disposable income than anyone else!

    Those on unemployment assistance or those on a state pension have more disposable income than anyone else?????

    I'd really like to see the figures behind that argument.:)


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    #8567
    coup1917
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    Over 8500 posts here and god knows how many other threads on this...........
    I for one cannot wait for the end of the month for this deadline to pass and this rubbish to be finished with. As soon as this charge was mentioned i assumed it would be charged to peoples electricity bill and i still cannot understand why they left it to people to be honest enough to register...
    Now fianna fail are asking for an extension to help those who havent paid (due to lack of info on the process).... Come off it..! Everyone has known about this for at least 3 months and are well aware of what is required. The fact that the onus is on people to pay it has led to some absolute rubbish being spouted from all quarters... Ive had more leaflets through the door about not paying this charge and campaigns or marches being planned to boycott it....

    Its time for the government to lay down a marker with this.
    - the late fines are a joke, people can well afford to sit it out until they are forced to pay
    - people are sick of paying charges when they see a certain element not paying any tax

    the government need to be cruel to be kind here.. Property taxes are common in other euro countries - they arent implementing something off the wall. This tax needs to be brought in to steady the ship. Payment should be enforced not left for people to decide what is best for the country. They will never please everyone so should just remove all indecision from the equation. Fianna fail threw cash at everyone and anything so long as they remained in government. It just shows the unpopular decisions need to be made to run a balanced economy. Europe are paying our wages right now - they want the tax implemented and we are in no position to argue.
    The governments biggest mistake here was to leave this open to interpretation from every angle.... The softly softly approach is no use to the country anymore. Get this tax in and lets show some direction. We are wasting too much time arguing about this..


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    #8568
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Quote from Phil Hogan on Primetime........


    "We have done 12 months work in just 4 months"

    Yep,Phil,you have done 12 months worth of "fcuk ups" in just 4 months.

    Well done Phil,keep it up,keep on fooling yourself..:D


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    #8569
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    donalg1 wrote: »
    I have asked you where you heard that the household charge next year will be based on the amount of a mortgage you borrowed and I have asked you to supply something showing this. So will you please answer that question now?
    I have answered that question numerous times and told you that I can't supply a link that does not exist based on fact that I stated a fictional "out there" scenario which I reiterated continuously just 2/3 replies ago. Have you bothered to read any replies? You're making yourself look beyond foolish at this stage.


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    #8570
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭jluv


    Did I just hear him say that it is put into one big pot and then distributed to local authorities?


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    #8571
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    donalg1 wrote: »
    So you are twisting my words then ok. Tell me how negative equity matters if the property isn't being sold

    Well originally you said it only affects owners trying to sell.

    Now its something that only matters when a house is being sold you say.

    There is a little bit of difference between an owner trying to sell, and a bank taking the house off them to sell it themselves.

    Also, a negative equity of 100k cant be a comfortable feeling for anyone. Options are reduced. I bet it does effect people that are not immediately planning to sell, but for some not in the situation, its easy to say it does not come into anything unless actually selling.


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    #8572
    constitutionus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    jluv wrote: »
    Did I just hear him say that it is put into one big pot and then distributed to local authorities?


    going into the same pot as motor tax !

    jesus thats as good as saying fup all of it will be spent in your local area.

    feck all of the motor tax take goes on the roads.


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    #8573
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    jluv wrote: »
    Did I just hear him say that it is put into one big pot and then distributed to local authorities?


    But he doesnt know how much of the 100 euro fee will actually go to local services.

    He hasnt got a bloody clue,and that was the proof right there,if ever proof was needed.We all saw and heard it on Primetime.:D


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    #8574
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Well I'm still waiting.
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Hello are you there smash or are you gone again. I'm sure you will be back tomorrow with some more crazy claims.

    Again, making yourself look beyond foolish.

    Now read this slowly, before you ask the question again.
    smash wrote: »
    Ok Donal I'll explain very slowly how this works.... You wanted someone to explain to you how negative equity would effect you if you weren't planning on selling. Numerous examples were given and you disregarded all of them. Then I gave an example of a tax based on purchase price and subsequently said it was a far out example because you wouldn't listen to the factual ones. I never said there were plans for it or that it would happen. I specifically stated it was a far out example but you still disregarded that statement and are looking for a link which does not exist because it was a far out example. I've said far out example enough now so I hope it sinks in this time. It's really not hard to follow a thread, I fail to see how you can't keep up and how you keep blatantly ignoring people when they are actually answering you!


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    #8575
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    paddy147 wrote: »
    But he doesnt know how much of the 100 euro fee will actually go to local services.

    He hasnt got a bloody clue,and that was the proof right there,if ever proof was needed.We all saw and heard it on Primetime.:D

    Feck i missed it, i guess im just going to have to keep trusting phil:eek:


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    #8576
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    smash wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    I have asked you where you heard that the household charge next year will be based on the amount of a mortgage you borrowed and I have asked you to supply something showing this. So will you please answer that question now?
    I have answered that question numerous times and told you that I can't supply a link that does not exist based on fact that I stated a fictional "out there" scenario which I reiterated continuously just 2/3 replies ago. Have you bothered to read any replies? You're making yourself look beyond foolish at this stage.

    So in other words you made it up and I am the one that looks foolish? Ok then. Please stop making things up on future ok smash then we won't have a problem


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    #8577
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    So you are twisting my words then ok. Tell me how negative equity matters if the property isn't being sold

    Well originally you said it only affects owners trying to sell.

    Now its something that only matters when a house is being sold you say.

    There is a little bit of difference between an owner trying to sell, and a bank taking the house off them to sell it themselves.

    Also, a negative equity of 100k cant be a comfortable feeling for anyone. Options are reduced. I bet it does effect people that are not immediately planning to sell, but for some not in the situation, its easy to say it does not come into anything unless actually selling.

    It's easy to say because it's true. Whether they are thinking about selling or actually trying to sell has the same affect.


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    #8578
    coup1917
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    Over 8500 posts here and god knows how many other threads on this...........
    I for one cannot wait for the end of the month for this deadline to pass and this rubbish to be finished with. As soon as this charge was mentioned i assumed it would be charged to peoples electricity bill and i still cannot understand why they left it to people to be honest enough to register...
    Now fianna fail are asking for an extension to help those who havent paid (due to lack of info on the process).... Come off it..! Everyone has known about this for at least 3 months and are well aware of what is required. The fact that the onus is on people to pay it has led to some absolute rubbish being spouted from all quarters... Ive had more leaflets through the door about not paying this charge and campaigns or marches being planned to boycott it....

    Its time for the government to lay down a marker with this.
    - the late fines are a joke, people can well afford to sit it out until they are forced to pay
    - people are sick of paying charges when they see a certain element not paying any tax

    the government need to be cruel to be kind here.. Property taxes are common in other euro countries - they arent implementing something off the wall. This tax needs to be brought in to steady the ship. Payment should be enforced not left for people to decide what is best for the country. They will never please everyone so should just remove all indecision from the equation. Fianna fail threw cash at everyone and anything so long as they remained in government. It just shows the unpopular decisions need to be made to run a balanced economy. Europe are paying our wages right now - they want the tax implemented and we are in no position to argue.
    The governments biggest mistake here was to leave this open to interpretation from every angle.... The softly softly approach is no use to the country anymore. Get this tax in and lets show some direction. We are wasting too much time arguing about this..


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    #8579
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    smash wrote: »
    Ok Donal I'll explain very slowly how this works....
    How does one explain something slowly in a post?:confused: Did you type in your explanation slowly or what?


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    #8580
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    dvpower wrote: »
    smash wrote: »
    Ok Donal I'll explain very slowly how this works....
    How does one explain something slowly in a post?:confused: Did you type in your explanation slowly or what?

    Maybe he meant for me to read it slowly!! It's hard to understand him at times he doesn't always type what he means to say. And half the time he just makes stuff up!


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    #8581
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    donalg1 wrote: »
    So in other words you made it up and I am the one that looks foolish? Ok then. Please stop making things up on future ok smash then we won't have a problem
    No, in other words, I stated a fictional scenario and told you as such and you kept asking for proof. So yes, you do look foolish.


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