Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

Biggins

OldNotWIse wrote: »

anyone know how many have paid to date?

There was a number mentioned last night on RTE.
Around 350K, give or take I think (however don't hold me to it).

OldNotWIse

Biggins wrote: »

There was a number mentioned last night on RTE.
Around 350K, give or take I think (however don't hold me to it).

thanks Will be interesting to see how the figures pan out between now and Saturday...

fishy fishy

funny how they can threaten the ordinary folk with court/jail etc for not paying this, yet let their own cronies do whatever the hell they like, put the country into bankruptcy, and yet not a word to them.

dolallyoh

the tags on this thread are hilarious.

lugha

keithob wrote: »

There new line is the law of the land.... WTF ??? does the law of the land not apply to the fckers who brought this country to its knees financially.

Where does the law of the land apply to Seanie Bertie Derek Quinlan ..... i could go on... they should be wearing balaclavas ....

Ah sure what can you do with these scuts? We live in a country where quite a few people decide for themselves what laws they will obey and what ones they won’t. Terrible Joe.

keithob wrote: »

We must resist from paying this charge as a matter of principle.

Alas, and despite this reality being pointed out many times, we (the taxpayer) will be paying, one way or the other. The only thing in question is how.

Ogham

OldNotWIse wrote: »

anyone know how many have paid to date?

About 420,000 according to this http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-paid-the-household-charge.html

Biggins

Ogham wrote: »

About 420,000 according to this http://www.moneyguideireland.com/how-many-people-have-paid-the-household-charge.html

Strange! Looked it up.
The government says different slightly due to processing!

The number of properties that have been registered for the household charge was 395,232 at 5pm on 27th March 2012 according to the Local Government Management Agency

Note the following!

They also said that there were about 20,000 registration forms that had not yet been entered onto the system. (So – that is a possible figure of 420,000 registrations.)

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/category/household-tax

Buford Tannen

OldNotWIse wrote: »

anyone know how many have paid to date?

Almost around the same number that gave Fianna Fail first preference vote in the last election

the groutch

and that's registrations, not necessarily payments

Frank Black

the groutch wrote: »

and that's registrations, not necessarily payments

Buford Tannen wrote: »

Almost around the same number that gave Fianna Fail first preference vote in the last election

Is that the sound of doubt creeping into to the 'Don't Register' campaign I can hear?

constitutionus

the groutch wrote: »

and that's registrations, not necessarily payments

and it what one of the other lads on this thread has said is true it would include a fair number of people who are exempt as you have to register to get the exemption !



looking good for my guestimate of 30% take up so far.

the_syco

Izzy Skint wrote: »

t won't be easy but if our politicians had any [EMAIL="B@LLS"]B@LLS[/EMAIL] they could and should do all this first.....

If they had balls, they would cut the salaries of all the politicians pay!

constitutionus

gov now admiting (think it was hayes , but it was on radio 1) that itll be christmas before they get full complaince !



EDIT.

It was varadkar. just on newstalk now.

Buford Tannen

black francis wrote: »

Is that the sound of doubt creeping into to the 'Don't Register' campaign I can hear?

The only sound of doubt is coming from the government,do you not listen to the news?

Frank Black

Buford Tannen wrote: »

The only sound of doubt is coming from the government,do you not listen to the news?

I predict the following.

Govt will hold the line that there will be no extension to the deadline until Friday. On Friday afternoon, they will announce, that due to the sheer volume of people attempting to register in the last couple of days, the deadline will be extended by a number of days, perhaps even a week.

Media will continue to report a surge in numbers registering, those currently wavering or adopting a 'wait and see' approach will cave in and register during the extension period.

The 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign will have failed to make the kind of statement that they had hoped - they really needed around 80-85% of the population to fail to register to have even a slim chance of getting this charge abolished.

You heard it here first.

constitutionus

black francis wrote: »

I predict the following.

Govt will hold the line that there will be no extension to the deadline until Friday. On Friday afternoon, they will announce, that due to the sheer volume of people attempting to register in the last couple of days, the deadline will be extended by a number of days, perhaps even a week.

Media will continue to report a surge in numbers registering, those currently wavering or adopting a 'wait and see' approach will cave in and register during the extension period.

The 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign will have failed to make the kind of statement that they had hoped - they really needed around 80-85% of the population to fail to register to have even a slim chance of getting this charge abolished.

You heard it here first.

shades of gay mitchell's presidential campaign there !

Bruthal

black francis wrote: »

I predict the following.

Govt will hold the line that there will be no extension to the deadline until Friday. On Friday afternoon, they will announce, that due to the sheer volume of people attempting to register in the last couple of days, the deadline will be extended by a number of days, perhaps even a week.

Media will continue to report a surge in numbers registering, those currently wavering or adopting a 'wait and see' approach will cave in and register during the extension period.

The 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign will have failed to make the kind of statement that they had hoped - they really needed around 80-85% of the population to fail to register to have even a slim chance of getting this charge abolished.

You heard it here first.

Yea, fooling the nation with the 100 euro intro charge failed by the deadline, so try fooling them again.

constitutionus

jays phil hogan on pat kenny now talking about social solidarity.

i think there is phil !

but its not about PAYING this charge .

phil1nj

black francis wrote: »

I predict the following.

Govt will hold the line that there will be no extension to the deadline until Friday. On Friday afternoon, they will announce, that due to the sheer volume of people attempting to register in the last couple of days, the deadline will be extended by a number of days, perhaps even a week.

Media will continue to report a surge in numbers registering, those currently wavering or adopting a 'wait and see' approach will cave in and register during the extension period.

The 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign will have failed to make the kind of statement that they had hoped - they really needed around 80-85% of the population to fail to register to have even a slim chance of getting this charge abolished.

You heard it here first.

You are probably right but there is a referendum coming up on the 31st of May. How many people will vote No just to give the government a kicking for the shyte way this was organised ? Also, how long before some opposition party starts using the property tax/household charge issue as a platform to gain votes (**cough, FF, cough**) at the next election. Promising this, that and the other with regard to who should pay, levels of payment, exemptions etc. Just more of the same old shennanigans to look forward to down the line. Oh and the prospect of abuse of this tax/charge should have people worried methinks.

constitutionus

jays pat opened a can of crap there on the notion of dublin house taxes being used to fund culchie councils !

Wait till someone latches onto that one

goz83

black francis wrote: »

I predict the following.

Govt will hold the line that there will be no extension to the deadline until Friday. On Friday afternoon, they will announce, that due to the sheer volume of people attempting to register in the last couple of days, the deadline will be extended by a number of days, perhaps even a week.

Media will continue to report a surge in numbers registering, those currently wavering or adopting a 'wait and see' approach will cave in and register during the extension period.

The 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign will have failed to make the kind of statement that they had hoped - they really needed around 80-85% of the population to fail to register to have even a slim chance of getting this charge abolished.

You heard it here first.

I have a €5 bet on paddy power 5/1 for less than 30% to have PAID by the dead line. I think I will throw another €15 at that bet, so I will be €100 up. I predict that a good few will register and pay just beyond the deadline, or within an extended deadline, but the government will have to take the funds in another way....most likely income tax. It will spell the end of them and they will spend another decade, or two trying to recover after the next election.

goz83

phil1nj wrote: »

You are probably right but there is a referendum coming up on the 31st of May. How many people will vote No just to give the government a kicking for the shyte way this was organised ? Also, how long before some opposition party starts using the property tax/household charge issue as a platform to gain votes (**cough, FF, cough**) at the next election. Promising this, that and the other with regard to who should pay, levels of payment, exemptions etc. Just more of the same old shennanigans to look forward to down the line. Oh and the prospect of abuse of this tax/charge should have people worried methinks.

I also bet on a "NO" vote for the referendum. :pac:

Paparazzo

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/gene-kerrigan-one-hundred-reasons-to-dislike-big-phil-3060496.html

Last week, Phil announced that he has the legislation to break into our bank accounts and take the hundred euro. He can force companies to deduct it from wages, and state bodies to deduct it from benefits. And he will. "I'm not going to budge a bit," said Phil.
Yesterday, the Irish Independent revealed that Phil has instructed councils to create "household charge collection teams", with hundreds of officials knocking on doors.
These Little Phils (or Hogan beags), will look you in the eye and say, "Phil sent me to break your legs", or words to that effect.
I wonder how many people will reply, in the words of Phil Hogan TD, when he was asked in February 2009 to take a 10 per cent voluntary cut in his €110,000 pay: "No. My personal circumstances don't allow that at the moment."
Phil is on about €170,000 now, plus generous expenses. Just saying.

I think if I get a notice in the door to pay it (still haven't got anything about it), I'll return it to the local council office with "My personal circumstances don't allow me to pay this" written across it.

My name is URL

http://www.thejournal.ie/homeowners-warned-over-bogus-household-charge-collectors-398857-Mar2012/

THE GOVERNMENT HAS urged people to be vigilant after reports that con artists are attempting to take money from homeowners under the pretence of collecting the household charge.

“Under no circumstances should people hand cash over to anybody purporting to be collecting the Household Charge,” the Department said in a statement

goz83

Must be the council knocking doors. You know...right hand not knowing what left hand is doing, even when both hands are chugging the life out of us all.

dvpower

Paparazzo wrote: »

I think if I get a notice in the door to pay it (still haven't got anything about it), I'll return it to the local council office with "My personal circumstances don't allow me to pay this" written across it.

Good plan. Does this work with Income Tax too?

Bruthal

dvpower wrote: »

Good plan. Does this work with Income Tax too?

At least income tax is based on income.

goz83

robbie7730 wrote: »

At least income tax is based on income.

and how little of it can be avoided.

goz83

Just a thought. The government want to raise 160m from this charge. They could throw a bet on with the bookies for 40m for under 30% to have registered AND paid by the march 31 deadline. When they win, they win 200m. If they lose, well.....lets just say they have been known to lose more on other bets. The banks for example...

Frank Black

goz83 wrote: »

I have a €5 bet on paddy power 5/1 for less than 30% to have PAID by the dead line. I think I will throw another €15 at that bet, so I will be €100 up. I predict that a good few will register and pay just beyond the deadline, or within an extended deadline, but the government will have to take the funds in another way....most likely income tax. It will spell the end of them and they will spend another decade, or two trying to recover after the next election.

Haven't seen a worse bit of betting advice since this..

black francis wrote: »

The anti-household charge people still have time to put €50 on Long Run at 2/1. Come 3.30pm you'll have your charge paid for the next 12 months.