Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

Ian64

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Has to be the most ridiculous tax ever. Whats next? An underpants tax? A levee based on how you tie your shoe laces?

Fvck off.

What an idiotic comment, every other country in Europe has a property tax, in France they have both a tax on the property and a habitation tax paid by the person living it as well.

Ian64

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The Germans have to pay property tax too.

Real property tax

Municipalities levy a tax on real property. The tax rates vary because they depend on the decision of the local parliament. The tax is payable every quarter.

I think I heard on the radio that 25 countries out of the 27 in the EU have a property tax, the exceptions being Malta and Ireland. The only ones I know for certain that do are UK, Germany and Greece (just looked it up) but if anyone can show me others that don't I'm certainly open to correction.

France has. I lived in Paris and they have a property tax paid by the owner and a habitation tax paid by the dweller.
The Netherlands als o have.

The Quadratic Equation

If people don't pay untill march 2013, all they have to pay is €230 then, is that correct ? You can only be fined and taken to court for repeat non payment, is that correct ? If everyone copped on and waited untill March 2013 this tax, like thatchers poll tax would fall flat on its face.

Also why do people in rural Ireland have to pay a full household tax ? They have no streetlighting, footpaths, main sewers, public transport etc. etc.

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

Corporation Tax and create a Wealth Tax, of course burning the bondholders is also essential.

Increase Corporation tax so that we drive multinationals like Intel out of the country and have even longer dole queues, a "Wealth Tax" define that?
Burn the bondholders, who are the bondholders? Pension funds, so you want to bankrupt those who paid money into a pension fund for their old age...wow, good thinking!

The Quadratic Equation

Ian64 wrote: »

Burn the bondholders, who are the bondholders? Pension funds

And yet Enda claims he does not know who the boldholders are and their names cannot be released, even under the freedom of information act. So for all you know some of these secret protected bondolders could well be Bertie and Seanie.

It's back to school at upper mount street for you.

dxhound2005

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

If people don't pay untill march 2013, all they have to pay is €230 then, is that correct ? You can only be fined and taken to court for repeat non payment, is that correct ? If everyone copped on and waited untill March 2013 this tax, like thatchers poll tax would fall flat on its face.

Also why do people in rural Ireland have to pay a full household tax ? They have no streetlighting, footpaths, main sewers, public transport etc. etc.

Everyone should have had enough cop on then to vote for parties who would not have introduced a property tax. Fine Gael said before the election they would bring it in and they even said it would be €100 to start with (a rare example perhaps of politicians keeping a promise). It is the law now and any private householder thinking of breaking it should at least read the details and inform themselves of the consequences.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2011/7411/b7411s.pdf

Thatcher's poll tax (Community Charge) was just renamed Council Tax and continues to this day. In England the current average is £1200.

messymess

Ian64 wrote: »

What an idiotic comment, every other country in Europe has a property tax, in France they have both a tax on the property and a habitation tax paid by the person living it as well.

I absolutely hate this attitude. It roughly translates to - 'everyone else takes it in the ass, so we should too'.

Ian64

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

And yet Enda claims he does not know who the boldholders are and their names cannot be released, even under the freedom of information act. So for all you know some of these secret protected bondolders could well be Bertie and Seanie.

It's back to school at upper mount street for you.

The Upper mount Street remark is so purile.
Anyone who has studied economics and banking knows that that bondholders are typically investment companies and pension funds.
Very few individuals would have the neccessary capital to be a bondholder.
Why dont you and your ilk just get over yourself, everyone, and I mean everyone had their nose in the trough, with SSIA accounts, and buyting second and third houses to rent out, to demanding more and more services/grants/welfare payments for less and less tax.
The problem with the loony left is that they demand that the State provide everyone with everything but that at the same time nobody should have to pay for it!

Ian64

messymess wrote: »

I absolutely hate this attitude. It roughly translates to - 'everyone else takes it in the ass, so we should too'.

Better than your attitude which translates to "I want everything and someone else should pay"

Bruthal

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Certainly the public gatherings of 'Anti Household Charge' groups have attracted a distinct group (generally seem to be socialist and have a belief that somebody else should pay for their services other than themselves).

Eur700 or there abouts (dealing with about 7% of the country's problems).

Well, a few here are saying its a paltry sum, the €100 charge, and so it should be easily manageable. Are they the economically illiterate ones you speak of so?

After all, the dogs in the street know its just a token figure.

Annasopra

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

If people don't pay untill march 2013, all they have to pay is €230 then, is that correct ? You can only be fined and taken to court for repeat non payment, is that correct ? If everyone copped on and waited untill March 2013 this tax, like thatchers poll tax would fall flat on its face.

Also why do people in rural Ireland have to pay a full household tax ? They have no streetlighting, footpaths, main sewers, public transport etc. etc.

no I think it could raise to 2500 in fines and this would be deducted from wages

Bishop_Donal

Ian64 wrote: »

France has. I lived in Paris and they have a property tax paid by the owner and a habitation tax paid by the dweller.
The Netherlands als o have.

Switzerland have individual arrangements in each Canton as well. Norway has a substantial property tax, In fact I'd say if anyone spent half an hour researching you'd soon find out that it is widespread.

And... it will happen here. People who don't want to pay it, should sell up and rent (and then be taxed on the sale proceeds of their house in the form of wealth tax).

Ian64

robbie7730 wrote: »

Well, a few here are saying its a paltry sum, the €100 charge, and so it should be easily manageable. Are they the economically illiterate ones you speak of so?

After all, the dogs in the street know its just a token figure.

Simple solution to all this, let those who want to opt out of the charge do so, so long as they fully repay and and all mortgage interest relief that they have recieved!
After all they dont believe that their home should be taxable then they must,by that logic, believe that it should also not qualify for the MIR taxbreak.

Bullseye1

To make this fair everyone who owns a property should pay with no exemptions. The days of subsidising are over.

You should pay more on the second and third property. Less should be paid on primary residence.

If you don't own but rent you should pay a habitual tax. At the end of the day you are the one enjoying the services while living in the house. This would be no different from them paying their heating and electrical.

Why should those still working and struggling to pay their mortgage be left to fend for themselves with a substantial percentage of the population being subsidised with rent allowance?

Bishop_Donal

Ian64 wrote: »

Simple solution to all this, let those who want to opt out of the charge do so, so long as they fully repay and and all mortgage interest relief that they have recieved!
After all they dont believe that their home should be taxable then they must,by that logic, believe that it should also not qualify for the MIR taxbreak.

And when they go to hospital, let them pay for their own requirements.
And when their kids go to school, let it be a private school fully funded from their resources.
And when they need welfare or unemployment assistance, let them go and sh1te.
And when they need the cops because someone has broken into their house with a shotgun, tell them to deal with it themselves.

Just too much crap going on in this country, as if shouting about burning bondholders (a big portion of which are Irish in the first instance) will magic away of current deficit.

Ian64

Bullseye1 wrote: »

To make this fair everyone who owns a property should pay with no exemptions. The days of subsidising are over.

You should pay more on the second and third property. Less should be paid on primary residence.

If you don't own but rent you should pay a habitual tax. At the end of the day you are the one enjoying the services while living in the house. This would be no different from them paying their heating and electrical.

Why should those still working and struggling to pay their mortgage be left to fend for themselves with a substantial percentage of the population being subsidised with rent allowance?

Hear hear! Well said.

Ian64

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

And when they go to hospital, let them pay for their own requirements.
And when their kids go to school, let it be a private school fully funded from their resources.
And when they need welfare or unemployment assistance, let them go and sh1te.
And when they need the cops because someone has broken into their house with a shotgun, tell them to deal with it themselves.

Just too much crap going on in this country, as if shouting about burning bondholders (a big portion of which are Irish in the first instance) will magic away of current deficit.

Well said Donal, and of course many of the loony lefties who oppose everything live in council houses and on social welfare!

Bishop_Donal

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

If people don't pay untill march 2013, all they have to pay is €230 then, is that correct ? You can only be fined and taken to court for repeat non payment, is that correct ? If everyone copped on and waited untill March 2013 this tax, like thatchers poll tax would fall flat on its face.

Also why do people in rural Ireland have to pay a full household tax ? They have no streetlighting, footpaths, main sewers, public transport etc. etc.

No. By March 2013 you will owe Eur142 re: contribution due for 12/13. You will also then be liable for the 13/14 property tax (say - total guess - Eur500?) so you will be shelling out Eur642.

LizButler

schools / hospitals / social welfare or justice system left in this country.[/QUOTE]
Austerity, privatization and the profit driven planning we are curruntly subjected to, including the household tax they think we may be gullible enough to pay, are the things damaging our society.

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

schools / hospitals / social welfare or justice system left in this country.

Austerity, privatization and the profit driven planning we are curruntly subjected to, including the household tax they think we may be gullible enough to pay, are the things damaging our society.[/QUOTE]
The only way to generate economic growth is to pursue profit driven policies, you economic illiterate!
Profits generate taxes!
The bailout is not the problem, the Handout culture pursued by the looney left is the problem.
Time to stand up to the gimme gimme gimme brigade.

LizButler

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

No. By March 2013 you will owe Eur142 re: contribution due for 12/13. You will also then be liable for the 13/14 property tax (say - total guess - Eur500?) so you will be shelling out Eur642.

So as you say better to wait for this tax to be defeated like Thacher's Poll Tax, or, as she called it, Community Charge, and the Dublin Water Tax in the 80's and 90's.
Those who paid lost out. Those that resisted won.
See www.nohouseholdtax.org or phone 1890 98 98 00 for advice, support and to join the campaign to defeat this unfair tax.

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

So as you say better to wait for this tax to be defeated like Thacher's Poll Tax, or, as she called it, Community Charge, and the Dublin Water Tax in the 80's and 90's.
Those who paid lost out. Those that resisted won.
See www.nohouseholdtax.org or phone 1890 98 98 00 for advice, support and to join the campaign to defeat this unfair tax.

Thatchers community charge is alive and well, in the UK it is not unusual to pay over £1,200 per year.
typical SWP/PIRA/ULA lies!

LizButler

Ian64 wrote: »

Time to stand up to the gimme gimme gimme brigade.

I agree, we need to stand up to the greedy, but I see them as the developers, bankers, Troika and filthy rich.

Household tax can be defeated www.nohouseholdtax.org 1890 98 98 00

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

I agree, we need to stand up to the greedy, but I see them as the developers, bankers, Troika and filthy rich.

Household tax can be defeated www.nohouseholdtax.org 1890 98 98 00

The real greedy are the dolite scroungers who want everything provided to them while they pay for nothing, and the lazy public service with their inflated salaries and pensions.
happily this tax has been framed in such a way that it cannot be avoided, sooner or later the tax,penalties, and interest will have to be paid because their is a charge on the property which means it cannot be sold, remortgaged, or transferred without the payment in full. Even if you die it will be paid directly from your estate.
So it just a case of pay the tax now, or pay the tax,penalties and interest later!

dxhound2005

LizButler wrote: »

I agree, we need to stand up to the greedy, but I see them as the developers, bankers, Troika and filthy rich.

Household tax can be defeated www.nohouseholdtax.org 1890 98 98 00

Revolutionary socialists have no interest in the welfare of private property owners. You are just organising this campaign with a view to the disruption of the capitalist system. Your goal is the placing of the means of production into the hands of the working classes, Trotsky style. If you achieve that next could be the seizure of private property by the state.

LizButler

Ian64 wrote: »

Thatchers community charge is alive and well, in the UK it is not unusual to pay over £1,200 per year.
typical SWP/PIRA/ULA lies!

There is still council tax in the UK, They never transferred the rates to VET and other taxes on the individual as Ireland did.
The poll tax was defeated and ended Thacher's spell as prime minister. I am in the United Left Alliance. We, like many others, both in and outside of political parties, are joining together to fight the unfair taxes on homes, household charge, septic tack registration and the proposed property tax. See www.nohouseholdtax.org or phone 1890 98 98 00 for links to local groups, to join the campaign, get support and see the arguments.

Ian64

Definition of a Socialist.
Someone who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone.
or;
A dolite scrounger too lazy to work and take any personal responsibility who thinks it just so easy to demand that someone else should give them a standard of living which exceeds that of those who do actually work for a living!

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

There is still council tax in the UK, They never transferred the rates to VET and other taxes on the individual as Ireland did.
The poll tax was defeated and ended Thacher's spell as prime minister. I am in the United Left Alliance. We, like many others, both in and outside of political parties, are joining together to fight the unfair taxes on homes, household charge, septic tack registration and the proposed property tax. See www.nohouseholdtax.org or phone 1890 98 98 00 for links to local groups, to join the campaign, get support and see the arguments.

Will you also be demanding UK rates of social welfare?

Ian64

LizButler wrote: »

I agree, we need to stand up to the greedy, but I see them as the developers, bankers, Troika and filthy rich.

Household tax can be defeated www.nohouseholdtax.org 1890 98 98 00

The "Filthy Rich"...most of the rich I know of are quite clean and impeccabley dressed!

Bishop_Donal

LizButler wrote: »

So as you say better to wait for this tax to be defeated like Thacher's Poll Tax, or, as she called it, Community Charge, and the Dublin Water Tax in the 80's and 90's.
Those who paid lost out. Those that resisted won.
See www.nohouseholdtax.org or phone 1890 98 98 00 for advice, support and to join the campaign to defeat this unfair tax.

That's not what I said. I do not advocate breaking the law of the land. Go back and read the thread (not just the last few pages you blew in for).

The bottom line is the left / socialists lost the general election last year. Ye never had a better opportunity to make an impact (and never will). Because there is no such thing as real socialism in this country (it's just purely self interests being protected), ye were incapable of organising yourselves into anything meaningful. Instead ye got a small bunch of half wits in for one term (Wallace / Higgins / Daly / Boyd Barrett / Healy to name but a few) and they will be unceremoniously dumped out at the next election please God.

Now it's a case of sour grapes and resist the policies of the democratically elected country (with a huge majority).

It's Policitcal and Economic Treason, and if you had any sense of values, you would do the decent thing - get out of the country and stop being a leech on the people who are genuine in their efforts to improve it for all.