Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

K-9

becksy79 wrote: »

some info i have came across regarding the household charge, apologise if this has already been posted.

The household charge is NOT Mandatory registration is voluntary, payment obligatory.
Today we made four calls into the householdcharge.ie
We spoke to Roisin, Brian O’Gorman, Maeve and Ariel
What we found out, and what they admitted to us was astounding (call them on 01-2224000 ).
... ... 1. The household charge is NOT Mandatory registration is voluntary, payment obligatory.
2. If you don’t register, thus far, they cannot force you to, or force you to pay (sweet).
3. Their CEO is a man called Paul McSweeney.
4. They may or could issue a fine (great).
5. But they might have a problem with collection of this if you don’t register.
6. They might pursue it through the Courts. The trouble is, if it becomes a Constitutional matter, they might end up in the high Court, the cost of which might be prohibitively expensive for them. A terrible situation for Phil Hogan & his IMF hench-men.

It works exactly like declaring tax if you are self employed. It's called self assessment, it's up to you to declare your business and pay taxes. This is the same principle, it isn't up to Revenue to baby sit people to register a business and pay tax, and indeed send in returns every year.

Just so as Ye are all aware: Ye do not legally own land or property.

Page 156 - Section 1.
“The Irish Law Reform Commission, a body composed entirely of lawyers, has made a startling proposition to the Irish Government: that direct physical ownership
of land should be introduced in the country and feudal tenure ended. All landholding Irish citizens are feudal tenants under the Irish constitution, not owners. This in AD 2006! The Irish hold, don’t own, land”. – K.Cahill


the attatchment has more info posted on facebook recently to help explain more

Sounds like more freemen nonsense tbh, I'd say the quotes are completely taken out of context by some eejit who thinks he's found some legal eureka.

The Quadratic Equation

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Jesus wept. Are we just making stuff up now?

Nope I've seen it in action up close and personal.

I leave making things up to your dear leader Enda and yourselves :

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

donalg1

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Jesus wept. Are we just making stuff up now?

Nope I've seen it in action up close and personal.

I leave making things up to your dear leader Enda and yourselves :

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

FFS again really?

becksy79

K-9 wrote: »

becksy79 wrote: »

some info i have came across regarding the household charge, apologise if this has already been posted.

The household charge is NOT Mandatory registration is voluntary, payment obligatory.
Today we made four calls into the householdcharge.ie
We spoke to Roisin, Brian O’Gorman, Maeve and Ariel
What we found out, and what they admitted to us was astounding (call them on 01-2224000 ).
... ... 1. The household charge is NOT Mandatory registration is voluntary, payment obligatory.
2. If you don’t register, thus far, they cannot force you to, or force you to pay (sweet).
3. Their CEO is a man called Paul McSweeney.
4. They may or could issue a fine (great).
5. But they might have a problem with collection of this if you don’t register.
6. They might pursue it through the Courts. The trouble is, if it becomes a Constitutional matter, they might end up in the high Court, the cost of which might be prohibitively expensive for them. A terrible situation for Phil Hogan & his IMF hench-men.

It works exactly like declaring tax if you are self employed. It's called self assessment, it's up to you to declare your business and pay taxes. This is the same principle, it isn't up to Revenue to baby sit people to register a business and pay tax, and indeed send in returns every year.

Just so as Ye are all aware: Ye do not legally own land or property.

Page 156 - Section 1.
“The Irish Law Reform Commission, a body composed entirely of lawyers, has made a startling proposition to the Irish Government: that direct physical ownership
of land should be introduced in the country and feudal tenure ended. All landholding Irish citizens are feudal tenants under the Irish constitution, not owners. This in AD 2006! The Irish hold, don’t own, land”. – K.Cahill


the attatchment has more info posted on facebook recently to help explain more

Sounds like more freemen nonsense tbh, I'd say the quotes are completely taken out of context by some eejit who thinks he's found some legal eureka.

Honestly I know nothing about this subject, doesn't make me an eejit!
A very good friend who knows many intelligent things about many subjects campaigns tirelessly to get the right info out on these kind of issues passed this onto me!

Take it or leave it but please don't rubbish it!

Frank Black

becksy79 wrote: »

Take it or leave it but please don't rubbish it!

but it's rubbish.

dxhound2005

becksy79 wrote: »

Honestly I know nothing about this subject, doesn't make me an eejit!
A very good friend who knows many intelligent things about many subjects campaigns tirelessly to get the right info out on these kind of issues passed this onto me!

Take it or leave it but please don't rubbish it!

You can inform yourself by reading the report here.

http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Reports/Report%20eConveyancing.pdf

The section you were told about is on page 19, nothing much to do with the Household Charge.

Phase 3 involved publication of a Report by the
Commission, to include draft legislation to give effect to the proposals
for reform. This culminated in the Commission’s Report on Reform
and Modernisation of Land Law and Conveyancing Law (LRC 74–
2005), published in July 2005. This contains a draft Land and
Conveyancing Bill of 133 sections, incorporating over 90
recommendations for reform, and intended to replace more than 150
pre-1922 statutes on land law and conveyancing, dating back as far as
1285. Although they remain on the statute book, many of these pre-
1922 statutes have become either obsolete or superseded by more
recent legal developments. Some key features of the draft Bill are:
· abolition of feudal land tenure (such as the fee tail estate which
featured in Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice) and its
replacement with a more streamlined ownership model;
· simplification of the law of mortgages so that a mortgage will
involve a simple charge as security on the land instead of a
transfer of ownership to a financial institution;
· a new statutory scheme for trusts of land to replace the
complex Settled Land Acts which were aimed principally at the
large landed estates; and
· reform of conveyancing laws which, although used frequently
by conveyancers in everyday property transactions, date back
almost 150 years and are framed in unnecessarily archaic
language.

The Quadratic Equation

donalg1 wrote: »

FFS again really?

Really. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

donalg1

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

FFS again really?

Really. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

Just makes you look stupid really though #credibilitygone

tayto lover

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Really. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

What about Enda's T.V. address to the nation " it is not your fault" and his latest utterances "the Irish people went mad and borrowed too much all because of greed".

Has Enda lost the plot between those two speeches ?
His party must be reeling with his latest turnabout. Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde = our Enda.

donalg1

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

FFS again really?

Really. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

“Those who never retract their opinions love themselves more than they love truth.”
― Joseph Joubert

tayto lover

donalg1 wrote: »

“Those who never retract their opinions love themselves more than they love truth.”
― Joseph Joubert

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

donalg1

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

“Those who never retract their opinions love themselves more than they love truth.”
― Joseph Joubert

"It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home" - Enda Kenny, 1994

     
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”
 
 Albert Einstein

misschoo

The €2 a week people are shouting about - it's €100 that peeps have to cough up between Jan & the end of March. Yes I know what you're saying so lets sing about budgeting for the €2 a week from 31/03/12 onwards - but for now some people can't afford €100 between January & March for this year!!!!

I CAN'T & I have to fork out €200!! - me being one of those "Landlords who are rolling around in it"!!!

The Quadratic Equation

donalg1 wrote: »

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”

Albert Einstein

And Enda is the living proof of it.

tayto lover

donalg1 wrote: »

     
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”
 
 Albert Einstein

" let me say to you all,you are not responsible" in his pre-budget speech but now "it is your fault because you were greedy". Enda Kenny 2012
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is our Enda.

Stereomaniac

Well I think he's always had this very vicious, almost frightening side to him. When he was in opposition it was shocking. Then he becomes this very personable bloke when in power.

Chips Lovell

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Nope I've seen it in action up close and personal.

OK. If you've seen it, then tell us who rang what judges to get the verdict they desired.

The Quadratic Equation

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

OK. If you've seen it, then tell us who rang what judges to get the verdict they desired.

Watched a very wealthy councilor ring up about his bully boy son on an assault charge. Did it in his office, right in front of me, just to prove he could in an attempt intimidate me and my family. Judge, an old party collegue and school pal, faked an eccentric wobbly with the Gardai evidence in court and threw the case out. Son got off, laughed all the way down the court steps. The local Guards were disgusted. He was got in the end though . . . . but not by the puppet state.

Now perhaps you'll be kind enough to share with us the names of the top secrect Anglo bondholders ?

Chips Lovell

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Watched a very wealthy councilor ring up about his bully boy son on an assault charge. Did it in his office, right in front of me, just to prove he could in an attempt intimidate me and my family. Judge, an old party collegue and school pal, faked an eccentric wobbly with the Gardai evidence in court and threw the case out. Son got off, laughed all the way down the court steps. The local Guards were disgusted. He was got in the end though . . . . but not by the puppet state.

What councillor and what judge?

The Quadratic Equation

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

What councillor and what judge?

Love to. I was the only one in the room, so his word against mine. They are not stupid you know.
So drop me a PM with your name and adress, and I'll make some discreet enquiries to see if you can be trusted.

Now. Names of Anglo Bondholders please.

Bruthal

mikom wrote: »

Slick50 wrote: »

Don't think there'll be much arguing with that. Good job Ian64's not around.

He is a bit busy raging over on the Prison forum.....

Seems to be 2 of them gone, one to prison, and donal must of went back to the vatican tax haven.

Chips Lovell

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Love to. I was the only one in the room, so his word against mine. They are not stupid you know.
So drop me a PM with your name and adress, and I'll make some discreet enquiries to see if you can be trusted.

So you've got no proof to furnish us with at all? Thought so.

The Quadratic Equation

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

So you've got no proof to furnish us with at all? Thought so.

PM please. Oh and don't forget the names of the anglo bondholders, there's a good lad.

dxhound2005

Joshua Jones wrote: »

In a supposedly free and democratic society it is a citizens perogative, some may say duty, to oppose laws which they feel are unjust and unfair.

No doubt the citizens on these lists felt it was unjust and unfair to be asked to give any of their money to the state.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html#year2011

K-9

becksy79 wrote: »

Honestly I know nothing about this subject, doesn't make me an eejit!
A very good friend who knows many intelligent things about many subjects campaigns tirelessly to get the right info out on these kind of issues passed this onto me!

Take it or leave it but please don't rubbish it!

Never called you an eejit. Look, I'm sure the lad is very intelligent, even intelligent people can come up with idiotic ideas, trying to prove their cleverness. The really intelligent people know that!

This tax is a self assessment tax, not a new idea, the exact same as Income Tax if you set up a business. You can opt not to register for Income Tax but if Revenue cop on, good luck in arguing you didn't have to register!

Indeed, the publicity from the anti campaign is giving the Government a big help if anybody challenges this. Nobody can plead ignorance to this tax and how it works, seeing as so many have read up on it and are aware of it!

K-9

misschoo wrote: »

The €2 a week people are shouting about - it's €100 that peeps have to cough up between Jan & the end of March. Yes I know what you're saying so lets sing about budgeting for the €2 a week from 31/03/12 onwards - but for now some people can't afford €100 between January & March for this year!!!!

I CAN'T & I have to fork out €200!! - me being one of those "Landlords who are rolling around in it"!!!

You can pay it by Direct Debit.

bgrizzley

Mischoo, you may have to budget E2 per week this year (4 in your case), but before you register consider how much you will have to budget next year and the year after that.


At least if we had the Bondholders names we could set up Direct Debits straight to their accounts........

donalg1

All the anti brigade here is spout the same drivvel constantly about bond holders etc... Yet not a single one of them has mentioned an alternative means to raising even the smallest amount of revenue

Galtee

With respect, the pro brigade are just as guilty of spouting drivel, so much so that some of them have even resorted to coming up with random irrelevant quotes from dead people to try and copperfasten their stance.:rolleyes:

Furthermore, there have been plenty of alternatives mentioned, you and the rest of the pro-brigade just seem to think that you have to agree with it before it's considered a viable alternative which says a lot really.

donalg1

Galtee wrote: »

With respect, the pro brigade are just as guilty of spouting drivel, so much so that some of them have even resorted to coming up with random irrelevant quotes from dead people to try and copperfasten their stance.:rolleyes:

Furthermore, there have been plenty of alternatives mentioned, you and the rest of the pro-brigade just seem to think that you have to agree with it before it's considered a viable alternative which says a lot really.

The quotes you refer to were in response to the drivel spouted by a few here when referring to a quote Enda made in 1994, which for some reason they seem to think it has any relevance today, the quotes you refer to were posted to highlight the idiocy of those that continue to post Enda's quote from 1994.

I haven't seen any alternatives mentioned in any of the last dozen pages of this thread, but if you want to post a list of them I will be happy to read them