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    #4382
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Bose closing all 119 stores, incl. Dundrum. All going online.


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    #4383
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    Bose closing all 119 stores, incl. Dundrum. All going online.

    Can't say I'm suprised with online sales and the fact they are also stocked by other retailers.

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/15/21067715/bose-shutting-down-retail-stores-layoffs-north-america-europe-japan-australia


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    #4384
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Fireball81 wrote: »
    Can't say I'm suprised with online sales and the fact they are also stocked by other retailers.

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/15/21067715/bose-shutting-down-retail-stores-layoffs-north-america-europe-japan-australia
    I always go in there for a look in Dundrum but Ill never buy anything in there and I have literally never seen another customer in there, its been a permanently empty shop for years and years.


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    #4385
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users Posts: 12,007 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    The Nal wrote: »
    Why not? Sheridans Cheesemongers, James Whelans butchers, Paul Costelloe, Lennon Courtney etc. I can't think of anywhere more suitable.

    Tesco will have a contract as an anchor tenant. They can't put a Dunnes food hall in there. Clothes maybe (a la Stillorgan) but not food.


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    #4386
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Thargor wrote: »
    I always go in there for a look in Dundrum but Ill never buy anything in there and I have literally never seen another customer in there, its been a permanently empty shop for years and years.

    I would like to know much rent Bose currently pays for their Dundrum store every year.

    I reckon that it is an astronomical amount of money to pay to the management of the centre.


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    #4387
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    The Nal wrote: »
    Why not? Sheridans Cheesemongers, James Whelans butchers, Paul Costelloe, Lennon Courtney etc. I can't think of anywhere more suitable.

    All Dunnes brands.


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    #4388
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Fireball81 wrote: »
    Can't say I'm suprised with online sales and the fact they are also stocked by other retailers.

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/15/21067715/bose-shutting-down-retail-stores-layoffs-north-america-europe-japan-australia

    With Amazon Echos and Google home not being people are buying other speakers


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    #4389
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    ted1 wrote: »
    With Amazon Echos and Google home not being people are buying other speakers

    As a big Google home man, in fairness smart speakers can't be compared to Bose.

    The brand will live on, just not via their own standalone outlets.


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    #4390
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,381 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I would like to know much rent Bose currently pays for their Dundrum store every year.
    I always viewed those spacious 1 brand only shops as expensive advertising billboards. Not really there to make a profit.


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    #4391
    RosieJoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    ted1 wrote: »
    All Dunnes brands.

    James Whelan Butchers is not a Dunnes brand.


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    #4392
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    awec wrote: »
    Not sure Dunnes Stores would be the sort of shop Dundrum are after.

    That will be news to the very large and successful Penny's shop...


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    #4393
    rubadub
    Registered Users Posts: 32,381 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    RosieJoe wrote: »
    James Whelan Butchers is not a Dunnes brand.

    Not sure if you are itching for a tiresome argument in semantics or genuinely did not know, but dunnes own them.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/james-whelan-butchers-dunnes-stores-2-3713094-Nov2017/

    so likely to be in a dundrum shop
    Legacy brand

    Since the sale, Whelan has opened up three new butcher shops in Dunnes Stores outlets and invested significantly in hiring new staff – just over a hundred people now work for the business.


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    #4394
    RosieJoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭RosieJoe


    rubadub wrote: »
    Not sure if you are itching for a tiresome argument in semantics or genuinely did not know, but dunnes own them.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/james-whelan-butchers-dunnes-stores-2-3713094-Nov2017/

    so likely to be in a dundrum shop

    Sorry my mistake. I always though James Whelan was an independent butchers. Never knew they were owned by Dunnes now. And apologies to Ted1.


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    #4395
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,832 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    That will be news to the very large and successful Penny's shop...

    Exactly, they already have the cheap clothes shop option there. M+S there for those that like wearing dad jeans and the likes.

    Tesco will have the food side of things sewn up, so forget about the foodhall.

    Replacing a HoF with the likes of a Dunnes would a fair step down. You're going from high end fashion labels, fragrances, jewellery by the likes of Michael Kors etc, to Dunnes. No chance.


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    #4396
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    awec wrote: »
    Exactly, they already have the cheap clothes shop option there. M+S there for those that like wearing dad jeans and the likes.

    Tesco will have the food side of things sewn up, so forget about the foodhall.

    Replacing a HoF with the likes of a Dunnes would a fair step down. You're going from high end fashion labels, fragrances, jewellery by the likes of Michael Kors etc, to Dunnes. No chance.

    Dunnes have been moving away from cheap clothes for awhile now, if there was any stumbling block for a Dunnes in Dundrum it would more likely be Margaret refusing to pay the rent asked


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    #4397
    awec
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    MonkstownHoop wrote: »
    Dunnes have been moving away from cheap clothes for awhile now, if there was any stumbling block for a Dunnes in Dundrum it would more likely be Margaret refusing to pay the rent asked

    Ah it's still fairly cheap clothes compared to what it would be replacing. Totally different market.

    HoF was a fairly unique draw for Dundrum. Dunnes would just be yet another Dunnes, and there's no shortage of them in the area.


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    #4398
    Ush1
    Registered Users Posts: 11,470 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    awec wrote: »
    Exactly, they already have the cheap clothes shop option there. M+S there for those that like wearing dad jeans and the likes.

    Tesco will have the food side of things sewn up, so forget about the foodhall.

    Replacing a HoF with the likes of a Dunnes would a fair step down. You're going from high end fashion labels, fragrances, jewellery by the likes of Michael Kors etc, to Dunnes. No chance.

    What do you mean "step down"? The management may have no interest in that and will just be looking for who will pay for the unit.

    Sure many shopping centres have competing large grocery stores.

    No point having high end when they can't pay the rent.


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    #4399
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Its Dunnes or an empty anchor store - its that simple.

    I see another unit is gone. Karen Millen.


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    #4400
    Blut2
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    Its extremely unlikely to be Dunnes due to Tesco and M&S having contractual guarantees against competitors. They're also not going to leave it empty for obvious reasons.

    The most likely outcome is a re-engineering of the space into quite a few smaller units that would be suitable for a wider variety of potential tenants.


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    #4401
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    Blut2 wrote: »
    Its extremely unlikely to be Dunnes due to Tesco and M&S having contractual guarantees against competitors. They're also not going to leave it empty for obvious reasons.

    The most likely outcome is a re-engineering of the space into quite a few smaller units that would be suitable for a wider variety of potential tenants.

    Reconfiguring existing HOF footprint to smaller units is what's happening in the UK and ties in with the planning permission Dundrum TC have submitted to chop the HOF store into 2 units. Any further reconfiguring would need further planning permission.

    Ireland may get its first Apple store yet, or perhaps a Currys.

    I heard Boots were looking for a bigger site in Dundrum a year or so back (a bit like Liffey Valley). Not sure when the pharmacy exclusivity deal with MCabea runs out but Boots could still have a bigger store without the pharmacy counter (for now).


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    #4402
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    What about Dealz ?
    They are looking to expand.


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    #4403
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I could leave a suggestion. Maybe Apple could take over the former Bose unit in Dundrum TC as that's moving out soon.


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    #4404
    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,445 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I could leave a suggestion. Maybe Apple could take over the former Bose unit in Dundrum TC as that's moving out soon.

    It would make no sense whatsoever to open an Apple shop in the same SC as the existing Compu-B store. Which is an Apple shop in all but name. They do sell a range of accessories which you may or may not be able to buy in an Apple shop but all of the devices on display in the Compu-B store in Dundrum are Apple.


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    #4405
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    What about Dealz ?
    They are looking to expand.

    Would say a 2 level shop in Dundrum would be far too big for them, the brand is not really in line with Hammersmiths image for the centre I wouldn't have thought either.


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    #4406
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    coylemj wrote: »
    It would make no sense whatsoever to open an Apple shop in the same SC as the existing Compu-B store. Which is an Apple shop in all but name. They do sell a range of accessories which you may or may not be able to buy in an Apple shop but all of the devices on display in the Compu-B store in Dundrum are Apple.

    No genius bar (service) though in Compub and apple stores have much more kit on show (resellers like Compub don't), we must be the only large/capital city in Europe without one...sure Cardiff and Bristol even have their own (ironic given how many people Apple employ here).


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    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,445 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Fireball81 wrote: »
    No genius bar (service) though in Compub and apple stores have much more kit on show (resellers like Compub don't), we must be the only large/capital city in Europe without one...sure Cardiff and Bristol even have their own (ironic given how many people Apple employ here).

    Accept that but you have to assume that the owners of Compu-B wouldn't have leased that shop at the bottom of Grafton St. or taken that prime unit on the ground floor in Dundrum TC without some kind of guarantee from Apple that they would not open in direct competition before a certain date. I know Compu-B have other stores but in terms of rental and footfall, those two are probably by far their most important outlets.

    The quickest route for Apple to open retail operations here is for them to buy out Compu-B.


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    #4408
    Fireball81
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭Fireball81


    coylemj wrote: »

    The quickest route for Apple to open retail operations here is for them to buy out Compu-B.

    Chicken feed for the world's wealthiest company if it came to that.


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    #4409
    NutmegGirl
    Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭NutmegGirl


    Joseph Kramer in Stillorgan ceased trading. Am a client and got a short text earlier


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    #4410
    caviardreams
    Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    NutmegGirl wrote: »
    Joseph Kramer in Stillorgan ceased trading. Am a client and got a short text earlier

    Wow, I always find it surprising when you see business like that that have withstood the depths of the recession closing up in better times.


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    #4411
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    Sylvio's in Templeogue Village seems to be closed. Very surprised, it's always busy when passing.


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