Europol arrests 112 in child porn crackdown

HovaBaby

Obviously they are attracted to this type of thing, but why. Like as in how do they become a pedo in the first place.

Dudess

HovaBaby wrote: »

Obviously they are attracted to this type of thing, but why. Like as in how do they become a pedo in the first place.

Jury's still out on it - sexual orientation or mental illness or... who knows?

KungPao

Dudess wrote: »

Jury's still out on it - sexual orientation or mental illness or... who knows?

Babies, little kids...mental illness. That's just against nature, doesn't make any sense.

post-puberty? bit of grey area there perhaps.

HovaBaby

In the animal kingdom obviously heterosexuality is widespread, but homosexuality is too. Male Lion's have sex with each other to promote bonding.

Whenever I turned on the discovery channel though I never saw no Lion having sex with his cubs. Or any of this behaviour in the animal kingdom. ie Adult animals having sex with their offspring.

Balfie

it mostly starts in the perpetrators own home, they possibley got abused by their father and it led on to them doin the same thing..

Well, most stories that I've read about have said that they were abused as kids themselves, and went on to do it then to other kids. Its a sickening cycle.

Dudess

HovaBaby wrote: »

In the animal kingdom obviously heterosexuality is widespread, but homosexuality is too. Male Lion's have sex with each other to promote bonding.

Whenever I turned on the discovery channel though I never saw no Lion having sex with his cubs. Or any of this behaviour in the animal kingdom. ie Adult animals having sex with their offspring.

Wouldn't rule it out though.

flanzer

A number of years back, an old secondary school teacher was arrested in a previous European operation. Turned out, the images found on his PC didn't 'fall within the remit' of the operation. God I hope it was him that was arrested again

The c*nt was a complete loaner. Didn't mix with the teachers at all, yet was first to volunteer to help on school trips. C*nt tried to get my kicked out of Honours Maths, telling me I 'wasn't good enough, and would fail the leaving cert'. Came to a head one day, when I finally cracked and grabbed him by the scruf of the neck and through him against the blackboard! Had to jump through bureaucratic hoops, from Principal to a Christian Brother filled board of management, even as far as the Dept. of Education, to be kept in his class. Ended up getting a B1, without much effort.

I believe he's still suspended

AstridBean

Dudess wrote: »

Culturally, we tend to be wired to be more shocked by women being sexually depraved to the vulnerable. Think West, Hindley. It's not right perhaps - I suppose sexist against both genders. But when the norm that's constantly fed is women as carers, nurturers moreso than men... well, that's where it comes from.

I can honestly say that personally, I was more shocked at Fred West than Rosemary West, I remember it well. I might in a minority there though, I don't know. I can't remember what my initial reaction and feelings to Brady and Hindley were.

MagicSean

RachaelVO wrote: »

Sound like it was a successful operation.

I'm a bit sickened reading the article though. 36000 hours of child porn? The mind boggles at that sort of twistedness!

God help the cop who has to look through that much.

Chuck Stone

MagicSean wrote: »

God help the cop who has to look through that much.

They must be incredibly stable people. I certainly couldn't do it - I think it would **** my head right up tbh.

They're silent troopers imo.

Much respect.

Balfie

MagicSean wrote: »

God help the cop who has to look through that much.

I wouldn't say it would just be the one, I'd say a few will have to put in enormous hours into it.. I'm glad its not me..

Dudess

I've no doubt it does fuk them up. Presume there's a counselling programme - and a full-on one at that.

PseudoFamous

Good work, Europol.

RachaelVO

Chuck Stone wrote: »

They must be incredibly stable people. I certainly couldn't do it - I think it would **** my head right up tbh.

They're silent troopers imo.

Much respect.

I totally agree, I'd be a mental case if I had to look at something like that! Even a few minutes would scar me, but trying to trawl through enough to make a case against someone I want to kill painfully would genuinely push me over the edge!

Silent Troopers... I like that, very very apt!

Chuck Stone

RachaelVO wrote: »

I totally agree, I'd be a mental case if I had to look at something like that!

Yep. I won't even look at those vids of kittens being maltreated never mind children being sexually abused.

Silent Troopers... I like that, very very apt!

Thanks.

MagicSean

RachaelVO wrote: »

I totally agree, I'd be a mental case if I had to look at something like that! Even a few minutes would scar me, but trying to trawl through enough to make a case against someone I want to kill painfully would genuinely push me over the edge!

Silent Troopers... I like that, very very apt!

It's not just about getting enough evidence though. Every image must be viewed so that each victim can be identified.

Micky Dolenz

I was at a wedding and was seated beside a lovely couple, They were both police people. One was an inspector and the other was a computer forensic officer. She told me the worst part of the job was lifting child porn files off PC's. I didn't envy her job.

stoneill

I have a couple of kids in school, one secondary, one primary, so was interested in hearing a child welfare office speak at a talk organised by the schools. This was about 6 weeks ago.
Initially it was about online bullying and how to tell if your kids are affected.
But the talk did go into making sure your kids don't post pictures of themselves online using facebook or whatever social media they use. Even seemingly innocent pics can lure predators to start chatting online with your kids. If you do have children, please please make sure you are looking to see who they are chatting with, what sort of posts are being made and that their images are not being posted online - once the image is swiped from their social network you lose control of it, it can be posted pretty much anywhere on any site. I'm sure you would not like to think your kids pictures are being used on a lure site somewhere.

During the presentation he said that the number of women involved in child porn and abuse is increasing - or rather the number of women caught and convicted is increasing as previously women were not seen as a typical suspect in child porn and abuse cases. Women were seen as care givers and nurturers.
He did highlight a recently high profile case from Cornwall where a woman working in a creche/childminders was using her phone to take photo's of kids and sending them onto male friends.
He did mention at the time that a big Europol investigation was going on, and he did say that the gardai were aware of hub of electronic activity somewhere in the midlands, he did not elaborate exactly where.

(I would hope and expect that there are a lot more arrests, and that the bleeding heart liberal civil right do gooders stay the feck away and allow affected parents, abuse victims and society in general decide on what punishment should be meeted out to these people.)

Dudess

Eh... the courts decide. The bleeding heart whatever derp expression... don't. :rolleyes:

amacachi

Balfie wrote: »

What I ment by it is women are generally more caring by nature. Most women when they see a baby, a motherly instinct kicks in, not an instinct to want to rape and molest a baby.

Maybe I'm odd but I thought most men wouldn't have an instinct to want to rape and molest a baby when they see it.

stoneill

Dudess wrote: »

Eh... the courts decide. The bleeding heart whatever derp expression... don't. :rolleyes:

Of course you are correct - I would just hate to see a lenient sentence being handed down if convicted.

amacachi

Dudess wrote: »

I've no doubt it does fuk them up. Presume there's a counselling programme - and a full-on one at that.

There was one widely reported case in the UK a few years ago where a cop involved in an operation like this ended up taking a liking to what he saw and was arrested and convicted. I'd be amazed if there's a 100% detection rate of such cases.

RachaelVO

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I was at a wedding and was seated beside a lovely couple, They were both police people. One was an inspector and the other was a computer forensic officer. She told me the worst part of the job was lifting child porn files off PC's. I didn't envy her job.

I wouldn't envy her her job either! I'd either turn into McMurphy at the end of one flew over the cuckoos nest, or I'd turn into Charles Bronson looking for the effers to blow them off the face of the planet!

Just makes ya think though, how much does she have to lift of PCs, if it's the part of her job that she hates most it must be more prevalent than we all believe...

Dudess

Stoneill, sorry for snapping but it irks me when it's implied that people who don't agree with violent retribution somehow support sick fuks like these - which is what I thought you were saying.
I wouldn't be surprised if they got light sentences but it wouldn't be anything to do with bleeding hearts, as is regularly incorrectly stated. Very few people would disagree with them getting very lengthy sentences.
But not disembowelling like that guy in England - I was shocked that even some reasonable people here were pleased with that. That's not bleeding heart, that's just an objection to sick twisted violence.

Chuck Stone

stoneill wrote: »

I would hope and expect that there are a lot more arrests, and that the bleeding heart liberal civil right do gooders stay the feck away and allow affected parents, abuse victims and society in general decide on what punishment should be meeted out to these people.

Use Google video (at your own peril) to see how child abusers and rapists are dealt with in the absence of a modern civil justice system.

Personally I don't agree with people being burnt, beaten and stoned to death by angry mobs. That just makes those who apply mob 'justice' almost as depraved as the generates who commit heinous crimes.

Don't get me wrong - I think sentences should be longer and people deemed a risk should have to wear one of those tracking things until they prove they are no longer a risk.

Proud liberal.

RachaelVO

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Use Google video (at your own peril) to see how child abusers and rapists are dealt with in the absence of a modern civil justice system.

Personally I don't agree with people being burnt, beaten and stoned to death by angry mobs. That just makes those who apply mob 'justice' almost as depraved as the generates who commit heinous crimes.

Don't get me wrong - I think sentences should be longer and people deemed a risk should have to wear one of those tracking things until they prove they are no longer a risk.

Proud liberal.

Sure don't we have a high profile case from years ago. The sentence that Tim Allen got. (Darina Allens husband, dunno if they are still married but they were at the time).

His sentence was ludicrous. For all intents and purposes for a man who is a multi millionaire he got away scot free. It was a shocking sentence, I'm "mildly" liberal in it's place, but this got on my wick, I am actually getting annoyed just thinking about it again and it's from 9 years ago... :mad::mad::mad:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0116/porn.html

The Fine Gael spokesperson for justice has criticised the leniency of the sentence handed down to Ballymaloe chef, Tim Allen

The Fine Gael spokesperson for Justice has criticised the leniency of the sentence handed down to Ballymaloe chef, Tim Allen, who was convicted today of possessing pornographic images of children.
The Judge substituted a nine-month suspended sentence for a 240-hour community service order after Mr Allen agreed to make a €40,000 contribution to the Edith Wilkins Foundation charity for street children in India.
Mr Allen will have his name placed on the Sex Offenders' register and must report any change of address to the gardai for the next five years at least.
John Deasy said it demonstrated a class distinction in the justice system and said anyone else convicted of a similar crime would undoubtedly have ended up with a jail sentence, if they did not have the means to pay such a fine.
Earlier, the court heard that almost a thousand pornographic images of children, some as young as five years old, were recovered from computers which were seized from his home and his cookery school last May. 92 of these images were printed or had been stored on discs.
Mr Allen, 52, who was at the court with his wife Darina and their four children, told the court he was horrified by what he had done.
Judge Patwell said the fact that children had been exploited for sexual gratification was an obnoxious element of this case, and also described some media coverage ahead of the trial as deplorable.
Paul Gilligan of the Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children said the sentence did not reflect the seriousness of the offences and sent out the wrong message.
He also called for a child protection investigation to be conducted into every person convisted of being in posession of child pornography.

Chuck Stone

RachaelVO wrote: »

Sure don't we have a high profile case from years ago. The sentence that Tim Allen got. (Darina Allens husband, dunno if they are still married but they were at the time).

Oh I'm with you on the sentencing thing. It's appalling how leniently people who engage, either directly or indirectly, in the sexual abuse of kids get treated by the courts.

RachaelVO

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Oh I'm with you on the sentencing thing. It's appalling how leniently people who engage, either directly or indirectly, in the sexual abuse of kids get treated by the courts.

I don't really agree with the vigilante thing, not because I don't think these people don't deserve to have all their toenails and fingernails pulled out. Cos I do. BUT the problem with that kind of justice is that it could so easily be the wrong person, and that would cause me great concern. It's proven that mob justice just doesn't work. Anything done in anger will get out of hand and cause more trouble in the long run. Which is probably why justice has to be a bit more dispassionate!

The sentencing and the justice in these cases is always very divisive, part of me would like to see the effers hang, the other half wants to see public justice done and the culprit getting his/her just desserts.

TeddyTedson

Do they know why pedophiles molest kids? Why are they sexually attracted to them? Are they just born like that or is it something that happens to them? Also, not joking, but why do so many priests rape kids? Is it because they can't have sex with women? It must be something to do with it!

mossyc123

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Do they know why pedophiles molest kids? Why are they sexually attracted to them? Are they just born like that or is it something that happens to them? Also, not joking, but why do so many priests rape kids? Is it because they can't have sex with women? It must be something to do with it!

Paedo's are Paedo's.

They could be a seemingly happily married person or a loner with no sexual or relationship experience.

Celibacy is a non-issue IMO.

TeddyTedson

mossyc123 wrote: »

Paedo's are Paedo's.

They could be a seemingly happily married person or a loner with no sexual or relationship experience.

Celibacy is a non-issue IMO.

Well why do so many priests abuse kid then. I'm not having a go against the church for the sake of it, but out of the general public, I imagine there's a higher percentage of paedo priests than say teachers or something.

I remember reading something Freud said about paedos developing into paedos if they don't mature properly or something as children.
Do we have more than most counties here?

St.Spodo

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Well why do so many priests abuse kid then. I'm not having a go against the church for the sake of it, but out of the general public, I imagine there's a higher percentage of paedo priests than say teachers or something.

I remember reading something Freud said about paedos developing into paedos if they don't mature properly or something as children.
Do we have more than most counties here?

I've always thought the main reason why there were/are so many paedophile priests in Ireland because they realised the trust their position would ensure, and the access they would have to children who trusted them.

Balfie

amacachi wrote: »

Maybe I'm odd but I thought most men wouldn't have an instinct to want to rape and molest a baby when they see it.

No I know that. I was tryin to explain somethin else. I wasn't saying that all men have an instinct to do that..

goose2005

RedXIV wrote: »

Beauty of that though is that Anonymous don't have to jump through hoops to publish a list of names, they can just upload it wherever they like. I hope they keep it up to be honest. While the law enforcement process is a better one for these sickos to be subjected to, I'm sure the thoughts of having their name posted online with the title of "peado" should be enough to put off at least some.

Fair play to the cops etc in this operation, as said above, I'd be prone to letting these guys fall down the stairs if I was there....several times

Isn't it entirely possible for someone's name to be put on a list of names in error? Which is the whole reason we replaced lynch mobs with proper legal systems.

Callipo

KungPao wrote: »

Babies, little kids...mental illness. That's just against nature, doesn't make any sense.

post-puberty? bit of grey area there perhaps.

One can assume you don't know a lot about "nature" as animals will have sex with their own sex never mind kids. Sometimes they will eat their kids.
That is nature.

take everything

36000 hours of this stuff?
That's something like 4 1/2 years.
Mind boggling.

Apart from their urges towards kids, what i never get is how these ****ers value getting off over ruining a kid's life. There has to be a psychopathic aspect to this apart from the attraction to children.

Sickening how they try to normalise it.
Pathetic deluded sick ****ers.

Callipo

take everything wrote: »

36000 hours of this stuff?
That's something like 4 1/2 years.
Mind boggling.

Apart from their urges towards kids, what i never get is how these ****ers value getting off over ruining a kid's life. There has to be a psychopathic aspect to this apart from the attraction to children.

Sickening how they try to normalise it.
Pathetic deluded sick ****ers.

There is a new scientist article on the subject. Google it. mentions all sexual desires including bestiality and homosexuality as well as the subject you mentioned.

teishen

Kathryn Inexpensive Runner wrote: »

If pedos are anyway tech savvy and understand and know how to use TOR, there is little the police can do to catch them, especially here in Ireland.

I don't know if anyone here has been on the deep web, or knows what it is but the evil that exists there is scary.

They have to be to find and enjoy what they do. I've come across some of the site directories for TOR and it's sickening to actually come across proof of these websites oneself. :mad:

I feel nothing but sympathy for people who struggle with paedophilia without harming innocents, (I believe there was a movie or somesuch out a while ago about this subject... ?) but to go through with the rape of babies and children is... I don't even have words.

Einhard

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Do they know why pedophiles molest kids? Why are they sexually attracted to them? Are they just born like that or is it something that happens to them? Also, not joking, but why do so many priests rape kids? Is it because they can't have sex with women? It must be something to do with it!

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Well why do so many priests abuse kid then. I'm not having a go against the church for the sake of it, but out of the general public, I imagine there's a higher percentage of paedo priests than say teachers or something.

I remember reading something Freud said about paedos developing into paedos if they don't mature properly or something as children.
Do we have more than most counties here?

The fact is that priests are no more likely to abuse minors than members of any other group or profession. We think they are but that's because such cases usually attract much more attention.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

Einhard

Einhard wrote: »

The fact is that priests are no more likely to abuse minors than members of any other group or profession. We think they are but that's because such cases usually attract much more attention.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

Well in all fairness, I'd assume that for a fair few cases, the opportunity of abuse is why some men joined... But it's irrelevant as the public outrage is at the cover-ups.

El Horseboxo

Dudess wrote:

El Horseboxo, I assume there is a counselling programme on offer for personnel investigating this sick sh1t?

Yeah I have to take mandatory counselling sessions once a month. But the door is always open for more. There's a high turnover rate in this job and alcoholism is a strong feature in past employees.

To the other person that asked, no I'm not a Garda nor in law enforcement as such. I'm a liaison for an international organization that works closely with various police departments in regards to online child exploitation and missing children. Most of the time our tech will handle and remove videos and images from servers. But in massive operations that will involve prosecutions there needs to be visual proof. Just briefly on my end. I really pity others that will have to watch them all in entirety once police acquire them.

And to the other guy that mentioned talking about it. I understand what you mean. But it helps me to talk about it. Nothing specific or going into detail as I know people don't want to hear about what I seen on a given day. But to even let people know and just cuss out some of these sick bastards helps. In fact we're actually encouraged to talk about it and not bottle it up. I usually talk to friends but thought I'd comment on this thread because despite the grim exposure to a horrifying side of humanity I took a certain amount of pride in this news.

Sindri

It is disgraceful and disgusting that people would actually do this stuff. How could someone actually rape a child but it is a lot more common than we wish to believe. 20% of people have paedophilic fantasies, their the ones who admit it.

The Talmud actually offers advice on Paedophilia and at what age it is suitable for it to begin between fathers and children. I think it says 3 for girls and 8 for boys. It actually encourages it.

There was a time when Paedophilia was seen as normal by some and it's only once we formed the concept of childhood in the modern world that it has become a taboo.

It's ****ing terrible, so many people's life's ruined. So many children destroyed.:(

Pdfile

Balfie wrote: »

This has to be one of the sickest things I have read in a long time! Seriously! Can't believe what some people can do. The parts that I put in bold seriously make me wanna throw up. How any person can do something to a child is sickening. Babies being sexually abused and raped. Sickening.

Makes me ashamed to be human sometimes.

RTE.ie Source.

and yet im still here...


but for how long ?!?!

ahal

El Horseboxo wrote: »

My department was involved in assisting this. The last month has been especially flat out and I unfortunately ended up with images I'll never erase from my mind as they need need to be visually proofed before moving to process. The worst being the part you had bolded. I'll never get to come face to face with any of the perpetrators but I reckon I'd have been long locked up if I did. How the police arrest these sick fúcks without any claims of brutality is beyond me. A lot will be open and shut cases despite taking a long time to bring to sentence. But a good few scumbags will walk. I've sat in on some court proceedings and they can be very difficult to convict depending on the country they get tried in.

While this sort of a rant may be popular for reasons which are mostly valid, I doubt that you are involved in law enforcement (and if you are I'd be rather worried) using terms like "scumbag" etc.

People who do deal with paedophiles tend to accept that they are dealing with a mental illness and act according to the law, not emotion. Once you allow emotion to take over it gives rise to error, which actually can end up being counterproductive and in extreme circumstances can see charges being dropped against paedophiles.

If you are involved which again I would have to say I very much doubt, you would have an associated press office through which all contact with the media (including internet) takes place.

Edit: Having read your further posts I take it you're involved in a 'Perverted Justice' type organization?

Paparazzo

ahal wrote: »

While this sort of a rant may be popular for reasons which are mostly valid, I doubt that you are involved in law enforcement (and if you are I'd be rather worried) using terms like "scumbag" etc.

People who do deal with paedophiles tend to accept that they are dealing with a mental illness and act according to the law, not emotion. Once you allow emotion to take over it gives rise to error, which actually can end up being counterproductive and in extreme circumstances can see charges being dropped against paedophiles.

If you are involved which again I would have to say I very much doubt, you would have an associated press office through which all contact with the media (including internet) takes place.

Edit: Having read your further posts I take it you're involved in a 'Perverted Justice' type organization?

Are you seriously suggesting he should be out of a job because he called a group of paedos scumbags? In that case every policeman in the world should be sacked

Dudess

Why all the suspicion around El Horseboxo?

simit

God help the people that have to review the evidence. Those responsible should be buried alive in their own faeces.

Balfie

Dudess wrote: »

Why all the suspicion around El Horseboxo?

My thoughts exactly, the guy came into this thread to talk about the things he sees. AH is full of threads with people saying they seen someone take a dump somewhere or something stupid like that. A guy writes on here about a serious thing for once and gets questioned on how real his motives are.

The thoughts on this should be about how something like this can happen in the world, not about El Horseboxo's post.

Leave him the feck alone. No matter what capacity he is in, or where he is in it, like I have said already, he didn't give details, he is allowed to talk about things like that. All he said was he seen stuff. No names, no places, no dates, nothing.

Get over it!

crazygeryy

The One word that stood out for me in that op was...... toddler.jesus h christ how could any one even begin to do something like that.
Even animals don't do it.**** the do gooders and human rights people. these scum bags should be all put to death if found guilty.

El Horseboxo

ahal wrote: »

El Horseboxo wrote: »

My department was involved in assisting this. The last month has been especially flat out and I unfortunately ended up with images I'll never erase from my mind as they need need to be visually proofed before moving to process. The worst being the part you had bolded. I'll never get to come face to face with any of the perpetrators but I reckon I'd have been long locked up if I did. How the police arrest these sick fúcks without any claims of brutality is beyond me. A lot will be open and shut cases despite taking a long time to bring to sentence. But a good few scumbags will walk. I've sat in on some court proceedings and they can be very difficult to convict depending on the country they get tried in.

While this sort of a rant may be popular for reasons which are mostly valid, I doubt that you are involved in law enforcement (and if you are I'd be rather worried) using terms like "scumbag" etc.

People who do deal with paedophiles tend to accept that they are dealing with a mental illness and act according to the law, not emotion. Once you allow emotion to take over it gives rise to error, which actually can end up being counterproductive and in extreme circumstances can see charges being dropped against paedophiles.

If you are involved which again I would have to say I very much doubt, you would have an associated press office through which all contact with the media (including internet) takes place.

Edit: Having read your further posts I take it you're involved in a 'Perverted Justice' type organization?

I said I'm not involved in law enforcement. Not yet anyways.

Emotion has nothing to do with my job. I'm part of a team that discovers images and videos with tech provided by the FBI and Microsoft, we proof them and they are sent further up the chain. There is no error nor room for any bar a malfunction in technology which is virtually impossible because if it doesn't work nothing can be found. So no evidence found.

I'd like to know what more do you know about this operation through my 3 posts in this thread that is not available through the original posters news report? I mentioned my department was involved in a non law enforcement capacity. And then everything else was related to my job in general. I can and will call paedophiles scumbags. I realize the element of disease. Still won't change my opinion of them. You must have very little exposure to police if you think they don't use every name under the sun to describe perps they encounter in the line of duty. You should see the stuff posted on various police portals.

I'm not commenting as an official or in line with any press procedures. No details, no specifics, no names, no nothing that will impede court proceedings. As said before I'm well aware what can and cannot be said in any form of media. What I posted in this thread was the equivalent of a fireman coming on here and posting he responded to a call and saying the scenes were horrific in response to a posted news story about an arson case in which kids died. If he said the person that started the fire was a scumbag would you be expressing your opinion of you worrying about him being able to do his job or saying he will jeopardize any future court proceedings by talking to the media? For some reason I doubt it and I bet you'd be glad of him to pull you out of a burning building.

And no it's not some perverted justice type group. I very much doubt the UN and US justice department funds a concerned parents neighborhood watch type group.