The Religion of Aliens

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gm6JYFdnD8

conor.hogan.2

starbelgrade wrote: »

No. I don't respond well to orders - especially when they come from someone trying to be condescending.

I am not being condescending.

You are weighing up faith with scientific proof and saying there is no "proof", so you are clearly missing what scientific proof is.

Qoute - "evolution is only a theory you know!"

starbelgrade

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I am not being condescending.

You are weighing up faith with scientific proof and saying there is no "proof", so you are clearly missing what scientific proof is.

Well, then explain it to me - don't tell me to go "look it up".

If I wanted to do that, I'd be having a debate with Google, which wouldn't be much fun.

conor.hogan.2

I am not an expert nor do I feel like re-hashing what is freely available on the internet.

Also others have stated that we do not say there is definitely aliens only it is likely, and given our current understanding a lot more likely than there being a god/s.

KeithAFC

Starbelgrade, do you believe in god?

If you look at the Big Bang, people say it came from nothing. But how does something so big come from nothing. What was the process which led up to the Big bang?

conor.hogan.2

KeithAFC wrote: »

But how does something so big come from nothing.

What is the process that lead to the creation of god/s? Who made the watchmaker?

Rhys Essien

paddy kerins wrote: »

Billions and billions and billions of stars and even more planets rotating around them and there's no other life in the universe? I highly doubt that

In 1 Galaxy - Andromeda,there are
1 TRILLION STARS.Imagine that,although dont.It wouldnt do your head good.

starbelgrade

KeithAFC wrote: »

Starbelgrade, do you believe in god?

I don't believe in God or aliens, nor do I deny the possibilty of either, though I do think it's highly less likely that there's a God than there is life somewhere in the galaxy.

And if there is, James T.Kirk better be among them.

KeithAFC

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

What is the process that lead to the creation of god/s? Who made the watchmaker?

Exactly. So if there is a god, how did god come about? What was the process which led to the Big Bang? And if there was a process, how did that process start? And who created the process which led to the process to get the Big Bang?

wonderfulname

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm still not convinced. I mean, "statistical probability" really isn't a very convincing argument.

"Statistical probability" is a maths term, it doesn't mean quite the same in this context as it does in the bookies. It is only a "probability" because it has not been proven, that probability is so great that in everyday English you can refer to it as a certainty.

This is the same argument employed by atheists with regard religion, sure I can't prove your god doesn't exist, but the probability it does is so, so incredibly small, even beyond comprehension in how truly minuscule it is, that it is in effect zero.

So when you look at it logically an atheist should be of the opinion that aliens exist, if not they are rubbishing the only true logic behind their absolute position on religion.

alphabeat

lets twist this around ,

what is really funny is the ones who believe in god who dont believe in other world life.

now thats just stupid.

Spunge

Considering that we know for a fact there are trillions and trillions of stars, its understandable to believe that there may be life among one if its orbiting planets. Because after all, life was created on this planet, so why not on another one ?

God however, you don't really have anything to go on, you cant say, "well that universe has a god, why doesn't ours" etc.

EDIT: Also i do think as OP said it is silly to say that there is 100% no god. But i think that, whether you believe in aliens or not.

Guill

KeithAFC wrote: »

Starbelgrade, do you believe in god?

If you look at the Big Bang, people say it came from nothing. But how does something so big come from nothing. What was the process which led up to the Big bang?

The universe is said to be expanding all the time, this expansion is slowing down, it will eventually reach a halt and start contracting, this contraction will conntinue until everything is pulled into a tiny (as in smaller than anything you could ever imagine (and then some!)) and BANG, here we go again.

conor.hogan.2

KeithAFC wrote: »

Exactly. So if there is a god, how did god come about? What was the process which led to the Big Bang? And if there was a process, how did that process start? And who created the process which led to the process to get the Big Bang?

I am currently very interested in Buddhism…

Guill wrote: »

The universe is said to be expanding all the time, this expansion is slowing down, it will eventually reach a halt and start contracting, this contraction will conntinue until everything is pulled into a tiny (as in smaller than anything you could ever imagine (and then some!)) and BANG, here we go again.

Yes, we may be the nth iteration of this universe but I think the point is there had to have been something to set it off.

Mena

I'd suggest a quick review of the Drake Equation, very well described by Carl Sagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY

ScumLord

I saw a scientific documentary called "ancient aliens" and according to that all the gods where just asshole aliens. Apparently everything in history was aliens.

Spunge

ScumLord wrote: »

I saw a scientific documentary called "ancient aliens" and according to that all the gods where just asshole aliens. Apparently everything in history was aliens.

http://rclol.com/img/ancient-aliens-guy-im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg

conor.hogan.2

ScumLord wrote: »

I saw a scientific documentary called "ancient aliens" and according to that all the gods where just asshole aliens. Apparently everything in history was aliens.

Do not watch the history channel, I do not know when it happened but it went alien mad some time in the past few years.

Guill

ScumLord wrote: »

I saw a scientific documentary called "ancient aliens" and according to that all the gods where just asshole aliens. Apparently everything in history was aliens.

Aliens


Wow, beaten to it........by Aliens........

KeithAFC

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I am currently very interested in Buddhism…



Yes, we may be the nth iteration of this universe but I think the point is there had to have been something to set it off.

Which is my main point about the whole question of how it all started. Do some people think/believe the Big Bang started from "nothing"?

Nervous Wreck

NiallSparky wrote: »

Anyone who claims to be certain there is no God is just as wrong as anyone who claims they're certain there is one.

Well, no. Whilst your statement sounds nice (cos you've turned a sentence on itself or whatever), the answer to the question "Does God exist?" is either 'yes' or 'no'. Either there is a god or there isn't. The fact that we do not conclusively know the answer does not effect that fact.

conor.hogan.2

KeithAFC wrote: »

Which is my main point about the whole question of how it all started. Do some people think/believe the Big Bang started from "nothing"?

I do not know, I do know that as another poster mentioned there is a theory that the universe expands, contracts and we start all over again though. But that just puts the question back a notch.

I think it is that there was nothing before the big bang, that out of it came time as time is linked to mass.

But of course that does not answer all questions and that is just one scientific theory of many.

Guill

KeithAFC wrote: »

Which is my main point about the whole question of how it all started. Do some people think/believe the Big Bang started from "nothing"?

What do you believe?

Diabhal Beag

It makes a lot more sense that we were created by aliens than the theory that we're a fluke in the universe.

Spunge

KeithAFC wrote: »

Exactly. So if there is a god, how did god come about? What was the process which led to the Big Bang? And if there was a process, how did that process start? And who created the process which led to the process to get the Big Bang?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeVhkXW6BKY

KeithAFC

Guill wrote: »

What do you believe?

I don't know. I don't believe the sort of god people talk about started it all but my questions would be about how it all started and how something so complicated started from nothing. How something so small expanded and became something mind-numbingly big.

And if the theory of the universe expanding is true and it is like a cycle, then surely there was at some point a start of this cycle?

Guill

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I do not know, I do know that as another poster mentioned there is a theory that the universe expands, contracts and we start all over again though. But that just puts the question back a notch.

The Big Crunch...(no joke)

It makes a lot more sense that we were created by aliens than the theory that we're a fluke in the universe.

Love it, because, who created the Aliens??

Kev.OC

starbelgrade wrote: »

I realise that there are great differences between belief in God & belief in aliens, but there are also still similarities, one of them being that it's still just a belief without any proof whatsoever.

According to a study done around this time last year, it's estimated that the Universe had 300 sextillion stars. Think about that for a minute. That's 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Our sun is just one of those, and it has 9 planets (including Pluto!) orbiting it. So depending on how many of those stars have planets orbiting them, there are simply a phenomenal number of planets out there. It stands to reason that life, even on a cellular level, has evolved on one of them.

Also, link for anyone who'd like to check it out. USA Today so not that terribly science-y.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2010-12-01-dwarf-stars_N.htm

wonderfulname

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I do not know, I do know that as another poster mentioned there is a theory that the universe expands, contracts and we start all over again though. But that just puts the question back a notch.

I think it is that there was nothing before the big bang, that out of it came time as time is linked to mass.

See this guy?

Spunge wrote: »

http://rclol.com/img/ancient-aliens-guy-im-not-saying-its-aliens-but-its-aliens.jpg

Replace aliens with God and you'll see the argument you're currently entertaining for where it's headed.

KeithAFC

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

It makes a lot more sense that we were created by aliens than the theory that we're a fluke in the universe.

Some people will laugh at what you say and really, some people will think that is the thinking of a nutter but it really would not surprise me at all.

Kanoe

anyone ever read conversations with god? you'll find yourself laughing all the way through.

Guill

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't know. I don't believe the sort of god people talk about started it all but my questions would be about how it all started and how something so complicated started from nothing. How something so small expanded and became something mind-numbingly big.

And if the theory of the universe expanding is true and it is like a cycle, then surely there was at some point a start of this cycle?

But isn't everything relative? If we base everything around our size it does seem mind numbingly huge, but maybe it isn't?

conor.hogan.2

wonderfulname wrote: »

Replace aliens with God and you'll see the argument you're currently entertaining for where it's headed.

Oh well no, I am not heading in the god/s direction as the ultimate beginning as that makes little sense.

pokertalk

most scientists or all even will say that their was nothing before the big bang its hard to fathom just like space never ends and time never ends but we know these things to be true so i dont question it when they say their was nothing before there was something

KeithAFC

According to a study done around this time last year, it's estimated that the Universe had 300 sextillion stars. Think about that for a minute. That's 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. Our sun is just one of those, and it has 9 planets (including Pluto!) orbiting it. So depending on how many of those stars have planets orbiting them, there are simply a phenomenal number of planets out there. It stands to reason that life, even on a cellular level, has evolved on one of them.

Also, link for anyone who'd like to check it out. USA Today so not that terribly science-y.

Going by this, would it be silly to rule out Alien intervention in the creation of life on this planet? And yet you would still have the question on who created the Aliens.

But isn't everything relative? If we base everything around our size it does seem mind numbingly huge, but maybe it isn't?

Well from our eyes and calculations, it is beyond huge.

wonderfulname

KeithAFC wrote: »

Some people will laugh at what you say and really, some people will think that is the thinking of a nutter but it really would not surprise me at all.

It's actually a genuine theory, that a meteoroid crashed into earth and upon it were the seeds of life, in some ways it is more likely, but that's lies and statistics stuff.

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

What?

God doing it makes no sense, as as someone else pointed out who made them etc etc etc.

Like I say, replace aliens with god... just pointing out there is a meandering conversation here that is going to conclude with the assumption that just because things are complex, and we don't know everything yet, there must be a god type thing somewhere.

Standman

Guill wrote: »

The universe is said to be expanding all the time, this expansion is slowing down, it will eventually reach a halt and start contracting, this contraction will conntinue until everything is pulled into a tiny (as in smaller than anything you could ever imagine (and then some!)) and BANG, here we go again.

The universe actually appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. The big crunch is one possible scenario but the evidence doesn't back it up as of yet.

conor.hogan.2

wonderfulname wrote: »

Like I say, replace aliens with god... just pointing out there is a meandering conversation here that is going to conclude with the assumption that just because things are complex, and we don't know everything yet, there must be a god type thing somewhere.

I know people have this view, but I do not have this view.

Standman

The fact is that no-one really knows how life began or what happened "before" the big bang. All we can do is attempt to make educated guesses based on what evidence we have.

KeithAFC

Standman wrote: »

The fact is that no-one really knows how life began or what happened "before" the big bang. All we can do is attempt to make educated guesses based on what evidence we have.

But surely that is the mission for science? Surely the main objective is to find out how the universe was created?

Standman

KeithAFC wrote: »

But surely that is the mission for science? Surely the main objective is to find out how the universe was created?

Of course! Science has always attempted to find answers to the mysteries of the universe, that's its purpose.

Rhys Essien

Standman wrote: »

The universe actually appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate. The big crunch is one possible scenario but the evidence doesn't back it up as of yet.

And another is The Big Rip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_rip

Guill

Bottom line for me is that i would rather subscribe to theories of science, and rgularly change my 'belief' on how everything started and if there is life out there on a continuous basis, rather than adopt a belief that is based around blind faith and defend my religous ideals regardless of what evidence or contradictions i come across.

Accepting ever changing scientific learning /= religion.

KeithAFC

Standman wrote: »

Of course! Science has always attempted to find answers to the mysteries of the universe, that's its purpose.

Will we ever get that one answer though?

mickrock

Standman wrote: »

Of course! Science has always attempted to find answers to the mysteries of the universe, that's its purpose.

The ultimate mysteries of the universe are unknowable to the human mind.

Scientists think that one day they'll be able to explain everything but it won't happen.

Kanoe

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will we ever get that one answer though?

The voice of God states in Book 1 that words are not the truth, and thus readers must ultimately take what is being said and consult their own feelings to determine their own truth {CwG1 page 4.} The voice says this is true of any other book or words we come across. Though the books bear the title Conversations with God and the author introduces the first book by stating he is "taking dictation" from God, the voice of God in the trilogy explains that the dialogue is God speaking to everyone all the time. The question is not to whom does God talk, but who listens. This is clarified by the statement that God can communicate with you in the next song you hear, the next sunset you experience, the next time you hear laughter, the next movie that really moves you, the next breeze that caresses your ear, the next conversation you overhear. "All these devices are mine. All these avenues are open to me. I will speak to you if you invite me." {CwG1 page 58.}

At the deepest level consciousness is being aware of the balance between mind, body and soul(spirit) and that there is only one "voice" regardless whether it is thought to belong to God, or an individual, or imagination. This leads to a statement of the Divine Dichotomy: that two apparently contradictory truths can exist, neither making the other untrue. This is possible only in the realm of the relative, because, as was stated above, in the absolute all things are one thing, and there is nothing else.

sometimes a little imagination isn't a bad thing

Rhys Essien

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will we ever get that one answer though?

Do we ever need to know that answer?.Cant imagine they will come back and say a man with a big white beard started it all though.

KeithAFC

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Do we ever need to know that answer?.Cant imagine they will come back and say a man with a big white beard started it all though.

Well that is what Karl Pilkington says lol.

Standman

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will we ever get that one answer though?

If we do I highly doubt it will be in our lifetime. The answer could be beyond our comprehension for all we know, the equivalent of trying to teach advanced mathematics to a dog.

Randomer.

God is an Alien. :pac:

NiallSparky wrote: »

Anyone who claims to be certain there is no God is just as wrong as anyone who claims they're certain there is one.

Not really. Depends on if you are talking about general idea of a "God" or "Gods" or if you mean the God that is depicted in man made religions.

Because the character that is God in man made religions is as real as Harry Potter & we can be certain that that character does not exist.