KoolKid wrote: » If RF Jam is turned off then RF jam will not report. Can you clarify what panel you are referring to and what frequency are the devices? WRT GSM jamming the major factor is that no physical tampering is required. However I have a few more reasons to be cautious then Fred listed. Its not only the monitoring stations that should be concerned about explaining why no signals were received. Likewise, as an installer, I would not like to be facing a customer after they suffered a break-in and no signals were received. You are going to get... This was the equipment you sold me, you told me there was no real risk of jamming etc etc.. Also the fact that no physical tampering is required means they are not going to be seeing opening box's or cutting cables etc. With GSM I always take the same line with customers. I explain how easily & cheaply they can be jammed. I also explain how they work so they understand it will not flag a line fault either.
Evolution1 wrote: » It's a bit mad to think Phonewatch openly tell the country that they only use gsm. Anyone know why they switch off the jam detection on the panels ? Even when it's turned back on they ignore any jam signals received at the station. Is jam detection not required under EN-50131?
fred funk }{ wrote: » This all comes down to our system design proposal and what grade of system should be installed by assessing the potential security risk to the premises. 99% of alarm installations are installed to protect against opertunistic burglars and not from burglars particularly targeting a premises. The more are risk premises obviously needs more protection To stop the communications being tampered with. I'm obviously not going to get into the ins and outs of disabling phones lines, UPC and GSM dialler but I assume all you lads when installing fixed line diallers explain the risks of tampering with those too?
fred funk }{ wrote: » In my opinion, it's a huge mistake but i'm not going to complain to much as I'm currently benefiting from PW's new installation policy.
Capone79 wrote: » And that is?If you don't mind me asking
fred funk }{ wrote: » Only installing beams, no perimeter protection. Burglar has to be inside house before alarm triggers. Their beams have cameras in them. People don't like the idea of a group of lads in a control room looking at them. All their systems will have a GSM dialler, this makes them particularly vulnerable to jamming.
Capone79 wrote: » Oh ok, yeah mine has the same, beams etc, but It isn't on a gsm dialer, it is connected to a secure Eircom phoneline, which I'm trying to get rid of and get a cheaper alternative without compromising security.
fred funk }{ wrote: » All new installation ate GSM only, not sure what their plan is for existing systems but im sure they all be changed over at some stage. Secure phone line? Did they really tell you that?
altor wrote: » I suppose it depends on the GSM used. The new world used in many installation just provides a line, no polling. Lucky to have a test call programmed in many cases. A polled GSM like dual com misses the poll indicating a problem, albeit after the 5 missed polls. With the HKC GSM it will register a jam detect and will log the event. Anyone know the type of GSM P.W. is using in its new system?
Capone79 wrote: » No I haven't a clue but I'd be interested in the GSM that can detect a jam. Would I be able to use any GSM unit with Eircom PW or do I have to use their one?
kub wrote: » I imagine that they are scared of going near it because if anything happened afterwards they could be held responsible. It is just the times we live in, a while back you could slip a chap a few bob and he would do you a favour but not any more.
Jurrrr wrote: » So there is literally nothing I can do other than the option in the 2nd post on this thread or the 200e option thing?!
kub wrote: » Well if you do not feel like connecting it yourself you can always ask Phonewatch to do it for you. They will more than likely fleece you though. Have you considered getting another alarm company in to sort it out for you and perhaps get the thing monitored elsewhere for less money?
Jurrrr wrote: » Is it possible to just cancel everything with eircom and then get a new company to monitor the eircom alarm? Utilise all the sensors etc? Is that heard of? Can you recommend any good alarm companies?
