Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Maximus Alexander

Can't believe the match is on at 6. I'm in work until 630! Although tomorrow is my last day so maybe I should just leave early.

s_carnage

Your Airbag wrote: »

Is the Utd v Ajax game live on TV3?

Would be great to get in from work just in time for kick off.

Its on 3e & Setanta Ireland

adox

Your Airbag wrote: »

Is the Utd v Ajax game live on TV3?

Would be great to get in from work just in time for kick off.

Its on 3e and Channel 5.

Will I Amnt

From what I've seen of Götze he would be a fantastic signing but I fear we would be priced out of it by a host of clubs.
Looks like he will be something special and on everybody's shopping list.

Also German players seem to be harder to entice to the EPL even though they would probably be more suited to the style of play than elsewhere.

Erikkson would be more realistic IMO.
Have not seen as much of him but he looks the part whenever I have seen him.

stesaurus

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i dont know much about gotze.
hazard is grossly overrated imo, he is just another nasri, though i am open for correction on that and changing my mind.
erikkson - i think out of the list, this lad is class and ive been keeping tabs on him for about a year now, i thought hed be on our list for summer 2011 but nothing happened.
gaiten - not what we need and a bit light for us.

so really, only erikkson is the one player i think is suitbale for us, though gotze is not a player im familiar with.

If Gaitán is light then wtf is Erikkson?

Also Gaitán doesn't belong in that list, he's not at the level of potential of any of those other guys.

Hazard is not overrated at all. He'll be a top player in the Silva mode. Just because the French league makes Joe Cole look good doesn't mean it should reflect badly on it's top stars. You only have to look at the likes of Cabaye to see that.

If you're looking at attacking midfielders/forwards look no further than the Bundesliga; Kagawa and Götze at Dortmund, Reus at Mönchengladbach and Schürrle at Leverkusen. I'd mention Kroos at Bayern but we're not going to attract any native Germans from Bayern any time soon.

You need to get yourself more familiar with the German sides. I reckon they're coming into a golden era ala Spain.

TheTownie

cambo2008 wrote: »

From what I've seen of Götze he would be a fantastic signing but I fear we would be priced out of it by a host of clubs.
Looks like he will be something special and on everybody's shopping list.

Also German players seem to be harder to entice to the EPL even though they would probably be more suited to the style of play than elsewhere.

Erikkson would be more realistic IMO.
Have not seen as much of him but he looks the part whenever I have seen him.

I fail to see the logic in this...

Eriksen is just coveted if not more so than Götze. Both will command a hefty transfer fee, ~€40M.

SK1979

Orando Broom wrote: »

***Random Thought ALERT!**

I'd LOVE Ferguson to take Brendan Rogers on as a coach next season. Develop a new passing style of football to bring United's players to the next level. Imagine a United team that could retain possession for minutes and minutes on end during a move? I think Carrick, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling Evans (if he steps up to the Liverpool performance at a consistant basis), Rooney and Valencia would be immediate converts. Nani would have to curb a few instincts (not too many) and Welbeck would have to be a little bit more cautious (but still an amazing link player). Hernandez would need work on fitting in though he is a player that can operate starved of the ball if the team he plays for creates chances. Scholes obviously were he to stay on would be the PHD.

This is an interesting idea, and something that I would be in agreement with in theory. Its interesting that you mention Rodgers, and while I think he's done a fantastic job, a lot of what he's doing at Swansea is based on the foundations that Roberto Martinez laid there a few years back. If you remember back a couple of years, SAF tried to get Martinez as his assistant before Phelan was given the role.

Anyway, thats not the point I wanted to make, what I understand is that a lot of what you mention in your post is already actually being done at the club. Apparently, Rene Meulheusen (sp!) has a lot to do with the type of football all the kids in the academy are playing. Its a far more possession based game where the emphasis is on skill and technique. From what I've read, we are only seeing the start of it at present and the kids that come through over the next while will be far more technical and comfortable on the ball.

Will I Amnt

TheTownie wrote: »

[I fail to see the logic in this...

Eriksen is just coveted if not more so than Götze. Both will command a hefty transfer fee, ~€40M.

I see more of a chance of Erikkson simply because I think it's easier to attract a Scandinavian player to the EPL than a German.
Of course it can be down to the individual but the EPL is held in a lot higher regard there IMO.

homerjay2005

s.welstead wrote: »

If Gaitán is light then wtf is Erikkson?

Also Gaitán doesn't belong in that list, he's not at the level of potential of any of those other guys.

of course gaitan belongs on that list, theres a huge link for him at the moment and talk of provisional deals agreed.

he is very very light IMO.

Nalz

Speaking of light, hows Tosic getting on?

TheTownie

cambo2008 wrote: »

I see more of a chance of Erikkson simply because I think it's easier to attract a Scandinavian player to the EPL than a German.
Of course it can be down to the individual but the EPL is held in a lot higher regard there IMO.

Ah I see, I'm with ya now. Thats one factor alright.

Still think it would be a real coup to get him considering how highly regarded he is.

Your Airbag

SK1979 wrote: »

This is an interesting idea, and something that I would be in agreement with in theory. Its interesting that you mention Rodgers, and while I think he's done a fantastic job, a lot of what he's doing at Swansea is based on the foundations that Roberto Martinez laid there a few years back. If you remember back a couple of years, SAF tried to get Martinez as his assistant before Phelan was given the role.

Anyway, thats not the point I wanted to make, what I understand is that a lot of what you mention in your post is already actually being done at the club. Apparently, Rene Meulheusen (sp!) has a lot to do with the type of football all the kids in the academy are playing. Its a far more possession based game where the emphasis is on skill and technique. From what I've read, we are only seeing the start of it at present and the kids that come through over the next while will be far more technical and comfortable on the ball.

I don't think Fergie will ever drop the wide counter attacking approach. Every new generation he has built the emphasis is always on doing damage from the wings. The only way we will see the possession game as the main characteristic of a Utd squad is under a new manager.

shadowcomplex

How do you lads think we would have faired against milan last night

Maximus Alexander

shadowcomplex wrote: »

How do you lads think we would have faired against milan last night

Honestly, I didn't think Milan were that great. Arsenal were just so poor that they looked it.

One thing they did very well was capitalize on mistakes and I think KPB and Ibrahimovic would probably be good for a goal between them against United.

It's hard to tell how difficult they would have been to break down because Arsenal were so disjointed going forward. Milan defended in numbers and got forward in numbers on the break, but judging by the couple of chances Arsenal did create I think they'd have been ripe for a couple of Valencia crosses or a bit of Giggs magic.

I reckon 1-2 to United.

kryogen

Trilla wrote: »

Speaking of light, hows Tosic getting on?

Been doing very well for CSKA since he moved there by all accounts.

kryogen

shadowcomplex wrote: »

How do you lads think we would have faired against milan last night

If Milan had actually played very well, they played ok I thought but were largely wasteful and in general just not that impressive, they could have beat Arsenal by a cricket score I think, Arsenal were that bad. You would have to think that Bolton probably would have done better v Milan last night.

Will I Amnt

TheTownie wrote: »

Ah I see, I'm with ya now. Thats one factor alright.

Still think it would be a real coup to get him considering how highly regarded he is.

I doubt we will get anywhere near either of then tbh.
Considering the EPL coverage in Scandinavia it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Erikkson grew up watching and admiring United.
Possibly could swing a move if he was weighing up his options.

stesaurus

homerjay2005 wrote: »

of course gaitan belongs on that list, theres a huge link for him at the moment and talk of provisional deals agreed.

he is very very light IMO.

That was just paper talk. There was nothing substantial at all. Just rumours. If we sign Gaitán I'd be fuming. He's not any better than Nani/Young on the left and I don't he have the discipline to play centrally for us.

He is light yeah but seriously what does that matter? He's not going to get asked to play centre half and mark Demba Ba.

conno16

on the basis of recent games i've seen him involved, kev prince boateng would be a good signing
hes unpredictable, a modern day tony daley
but he has power and big game experience also

Orando Broom

conno16 wrote: »

on the basis of recent games i've seen him involved, kev prince boateng would be a good signing
hes unpredictable, a modern day tony daley
but he has power and big game experience also

I get this. This is humour. Jokes. AHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!!

kryogen

I would like to take a bit of time to acknowledge those who are not feeding the pet today, he is trying to get people to interact with him and isnt having much success so far, imagine if this policy was adopted forum wide with certain posters, ah it would be heading back to the good old days maybe!

Edit: Damn I just saw that someone replied to it

Orando Broom

kryogen wrote: »

I would like to take a bit of time to acknowledge those who are not feeding the pet today, he is trying to get people to interact with him and isnt having much success so far, imagine if this policy was adopted forum wide with certain posters, ah it would be heading back to the good old days maybe!

Edit: Damn I just saw that someone replied to it

Mea Culpa!

miralize

conno16 wrote: »

on the basis of yesterdays match on the tele , kevin prince boateng would be a good signing
hes unpredictable, a modern day tony daley
but he has power and big game experience also

fyp

:cool:

Pro. F

If the mods could just grow some balls and perma-ban them we wouldn't be having this problem.

Nalz

anyways..........

is there return dates for Anderson, Berba, Owen and Giggs?

Professional Griefer

26th for Ando.
No date for Berba.
Same with Giggs and Owen.

According to physioroom.com

Thought I read earlier this week that Ando could be out for the rest of the season, can't find that, probably was a dream or something.

kryogen

Trilla wrote: »

anyways..........

is there return dates for Anderson, Berba, Owen and Giggs?

Anderson - god only knows
Berba - I didnt even know he was injured till last night
Owen - Doesnt matter, he will just get injured putting his jersey on anyway
Giggs - Id say he is just a precaution tbh

So, no I dont really have a clue sorry

TheTownie

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

26th for Ando.
No date for Berba.
Same with Giggs and Owen.

According to physioroom.com

Thought I read earlier this week that Ando could be out for the rest of the season, can't find that, probably was a dream or something.

Sly dig at Anderson?

Blatter

Pro. F wrote: »

If the mods could just grow some balls and perma-ban them we wouldn't be having this problem.

Exactly, he has proven on countless occasions that he is only here for one reason and has shown no signs of ever being capable of becoming a reasonable poster.

Enough is enough tbh, just get rid. For good this time.

DM_7

I was reading an old copy of Four Four Two last night. Anderson had a 96 percent completion rate with his passes during a very tough game. I forgot how well he started the season.

also re players in Germany and mentions of swansea, Gylfi Sigurdsson has looked very impressive since signing on loan. The German league must have some quality midfield players if he couldn't get game time over there after injury. He has a great goalscoring record from midfield and I can see why he always looks dangerous in attacking poistions and can pass very well too.

conno16

presumably we're still paying off the ando fee?

such a disappointment
i rem seeing him in the early days having cesc and gerrard in his pocket
now he'd struggle to contain andrews or that other guy that plays CM for ireland

Professional Griefer

Struggle to contain Andrews?! Heard it all now. Never had anyone on ignore, think i may finally start to take advantage of the service.

kryogen

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Struggle to contain Andrews?! Heard it all now. Never had anyone on ignore, think i may finally start to take advantage of the service.

Do, its a great feature, only problem is when someone quotes a numpty you have on the list

SlickRic

Pro. F wrote: »

If the mods could just grow some balls and perma-ban them we wouldn't be having this problem.

honestly, i thought he had been.

gone.

apologies all.

now, back on topic and stop posting off topic.

thanks.

Paul Tergat

WP Slick!

IvySlayer

kryogen wrote: »

Do, its a great feature, only problem is when someone quotes a numpty you have on the list

Great suggestion from that anonymous poster :P

Kylo Ren

SlickRic wrote: »

honestly, i thought he had been.

gone.

apologies all.

now, back on topic and stop posting off topic.

thanks.

Pro. F

SlickRic wrote: »

honestly, i thought he had been.

gone.

apologies all.

now, back on topic and stop posting off topic.

thanks.

Yay! This was a pleasant surprise to find in the thread!

kryogen

Pro. F wrote: »

Yay! This was a pleasant surprise to find in the thread!

Doesnt actually say banned under his name though so I live in fear

kryogen

Christ that ad is cringeworthy!

lordgoat

kryogen wrote: »

Doesnt actually say banned under his name though so I live in fear

That only comes up for Permabanned (all forums).

oh and.

c'mon united.

SlickRic

kryogen wrote: »

Christ that ad is cringeworthy!

it would only say that if banned from the site as a whole.

kryogen

lordgoat wrote: »

That only comes up for Permabanned (all forums).

oh and.

c'mon united.

Oh, ok then

Young wincast anyone? We should have plenty of the ball, he has a tendancy to shine then doesnt he

Maximus Alexander

It's amazing how much more solid United are at the back with Fabio at LB.

MagicMarker

I WANT TO SEE POGBA!!!!!!!!

Mitch Connor

Man United player ratings link for the Ajax game.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGt5MFhUbHZ4cy1la1B6WlBCbE44OVE6MQ#gid=0

Maximus Alexander

If that represents the standard of the other teams in this competition there is absolutely no reason United should not win it.

TheTownie

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If that represents the standard of the other teams in this competition there is absolutely no reason United should not win it.

Lokomotiv Moscow beat Bilbao 2-1 so potentially a dirty trip to Russia awaits..

Giggsy11

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

If that represents the standard of the other teams in this competition there is absolutely no reason United should not win it.

No, there are better teams.

Porto, ManCity, Athletic Bilbao, Valencia, Udinese, Atletico Madrid.

We are better than all the side (Maybe on par with City), but these sides are better than Ajax.

Mitch Connor

Player rating results for the Liverpool game.

Name|Avrage Rating
Rooney | 8.83
Valencia | 8.25
Welbeck | 7.92
Scholes | 7.58
Rafael | 7.42
Evra | 7.42
Ferdinand | 7.33
Evans | 7.33
De Gea | 7.08
Carrick | 7.00
Giggs | 6.50


Link to rate for the Ajax game is in my sig.