Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Son Of A Vidic

Paul Tergat wrote: »

The league is of course the priority but I question anyone saying they dont really care!???

s.welstead wrote: »

Yeah I really don't understand it. Fair enough rating it a lower priority but it's very hard for me to understand not caring about going out of it.

United aren't entitled to win any trophies and should be busting a gut to do all they can after their failure in the Champions league.
It's a trophy, we're still well in it and should be not be treated with disrespect by the fans or players. Its this kind of bs that labels the likes of the Carling Cup as the Mickey Mouse cup and really grates me. How many players finish a career having never won a major/minor national cup, let alone a european winners medal.

You guys should calm down and stop losing the run of yourselves there. Because you are making way too many ridiculous assumptions.

To reiterate, the LEAGUE must be the priority. United have had the worst injury ridden season on record. So to win the league this season, could be regarded as one of SAF greatest achievements.

Last week was one of the greatest humiliations I have ever witnessed for a United team. Bilbao dominated and out played United more than Barcelona ever did imo. So lets be realistic, United will have to score 3 away goals tomorrow to win and hope Bilbao are held scoreless.

As a result, I will therefore be making no emotional investment in the game. Beating City means everything for me this season and nothing else. So don't direct your self-appointed guardians of the true United supporter's crap at me please.

Mr Alan

Orando Broom wrote: »

The Liverpool game where he got stuck into Gerrard has turned out to be a curse on him

Myth. He didn't have the better of Gerrard in that match at all.

We were the better team for much of that game with yous grabbing a winner at the end.

Hank Scorpio

Poor Berba, Its a shame how this all worked out for him. He had a couple of fairly bad seasons and SAF stuck it out with him, then he had an excellent season and got stuck on the bench the following season. Really can't blame him for leaving but I think he was treated pretty badly, of course we don't know what goes on behind the scenes

Mikeyt086

Mr Alan wrote: »

Myth. He didn't have the better of Gerrard in that match at all.

We were the better team for much of that game with yous grabbing a winner at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQr3puu-Ak

homerjay2005

berba leaving would be bad news. no other striker like him would guarantee 15 goals a season with limited appearances.

selling him makes no sense. and would mean we would need to sign another striker, meaning that the likely hood of the CM position being neglected again would be high.

i can see another summer of not signing a CM ahead which would just be an absolute disaster.

The_Kew_Tour

I will cry if we do not buy a top quality CM this summer

lordgoat

Mr Alan wrote: »

Myth. He didn't have the better of Gerrard in that match at all.

We were the better team for much of that game with yous grabbing a winner at the end.

I actually agree with you, Gerrard was doing one of his frequent disappearing acts in that game. Had he bothered turning up, maybe Ando could have had the better of him. Who knows?

shadowcomplex

what you guys think of this line up

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degea

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Rafael

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Rio

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Evans

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Evra

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Carrick

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Scholes

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Valencia

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Nani--

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Young

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Rooney

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MagicMarker

shadowcomplex wrote: »

what you guys think of this line up

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degea

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Rafael

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Rio

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Evans

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Evra

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Carrick

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Scholes

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Valencia

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Nani--

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Young

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Rooney

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Amazing, truly.

lordgoat

shadowcomplex wrote: »

what you guys think of this line up

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degea

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Rafael

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Rio

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Evans

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Evra

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Carrick

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Scholes

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Valencia

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Nani--

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Young

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Rooney

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christ almighty.

homerjay2005

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I will cry if we do not buy a top quality CM this summer

i wonder is andos latest injury, the end of him?

jaysus apart from carrick and scholes, our CM has been made of glass this year.

as it stands, we have carrick, cleverly and scholes for CM with giggs an option also as well as jones. its depressing. ando leaving, would see us need 3 players in there, unless scholes plays on.

Smegball

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i wonder is andos latest injury, the end of him?

jaysus apart from carrick and scholes, our CM has been made of glass this year.

as it stands, we have carrick, cleverly and scholes for CM with giggs an option also as well as jones. its depressing. ando leaving, would see us need 3 players in there, unless scholes plays on.

I think there's time left for Anderson; he looked excellent at the start of the season alongside Cleverley and was even beginning to look a slight goal threat!

Give him another season IMO.

Really looking forward to our transfer dealings - would love to see Goetze brought in with all the attention on Hazard..

smodgley

FA youth cup semi against Chelsea is live on ITV4 on friday:D:D

homerjay2005

Manchester United are set to offer €23m to Ajax for two players 20-year-old Christian Eriksen & 17-year-old Viktor Fischer. [calcio]

eriksen looked good against us, but i would be worried its another henderson waiting to happen.

Orando Broom

Former United great Zoran Tosic has scored against Real Madrid.

CR 7

Orando Broom wrote: »

Former United great Zoran Tosic has scored against Real Madrid.

Top, top goal it was too, even if it was a consolation.

Mikeyt086

homerjay2005 wrote: »

eriksen looked good against us, but i would be worried its another henderson waiting to happen.

:eek:

Eriksen.... Jordan Henderson?....

:eek:





:eek:

TheTownie

homerjay2005 wrote: »

eriksen looked good against us, but i would be worried its another henderson waiting to happen.

Thats not enough for money for Eriksen never mind for both of them.

The_Kew_Tour

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i wonder is andos latest injury, the end of him?

jaysus apart from carrick and scholes, our CM has been made of glass this year.

as it stands, we have carrick, cleverly and scholes for CM with giggs an option also as well as jones. its depressing. ando leaving, would see us need 3 players in there, unless scholes plays on.

I do actually think Anderson days at United are up.

I was one of few who kept faith with him, but I think this setback may well be last straw.

Cantona's Collars

homerjay2005 wrote: »

eriksen looked good against us, but i would be worried its another henderson waiting to happen.

In order for that to happen he'd have to forget how to play football and just run around like a labrador chasing the ball for 90 minutes which then doesn't know what to do with it when he finally gets it.

Eathrin

zerks wrote: »

In order for that to happen he'd have to forget how to play football and just run around like a labrador chasing the ball for 90 minutes which then doesn't know what to do with it when he finally gets it.

Park?

Cantona's Collars

Eathrin wrote: »

Park?

He'd just eat the labrador:pac:

Smegball

To be fair, even as a United fan; Henderson shouldn't be completely ruled out as a prospect.

Lucas was absolute muck for years and has developed into a great asset for Liverpool.

Erikson would be quality

Who would yous take out of the following:

Erikson
Hazard
Goetze
Munian

Kylo Ren

Smegball wrote: »

To be fair, even as a United fan; Henderson shouldn't be completely ruled out as a prospect.

Chucky the tree

Henderson actually has great potential.

MisterAnarchy

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I will cry if we do not buy a top quality CM this summer

Well if we win the league as is almost certain now, you could be doing alot of crying.
Ferguson is a stubborn man and his refusal to buy a quality CM for the last 5 years is becoming a farce at this stage.

United have had to adapt their style of football over the last 5 years to allow for the deficiencies in central midfield.
The cavalier attacking football is long gone .

The_Kew_Tour

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Well if we win the league as is almost certain now, you could be doing alot of crying.
Ferguson is a stubborn man and his refusal to buy a quality CM for the last 5 years is becoming a farce at this stage.

United have had to adapt their style of football over the last 5 years to allow for the deficiencies in central midfield.
The cavalier attacking football is long gone .

Have City been deducted 15 points for some reason?:eek::D

J. Marston

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Well if we win the league as is almost certain now, you could be doing alot of crying.
Ferguson is a stubborn man and his refusal to buy a quality CM for the last 5 years is becoming a farce at this stage.

United have had to adapt their style of football over the last 5 years to allow for the deficiencies in central midfield.
The cavalier attacking football is long gone .

Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah...

Woah...

Woah...

League is far from over.

Giggsy11

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I do actually think Anderson days at United are up.

I was one of few who kept faith with him, but I think this setback may well be last straw.

I dont think so. He is 23, 18 months older than Cleverley. All he just needs is bit of luck with injuries. When he got run of games he did well. If the injury problem is sorted then he will be very useful player for us.

In the first few games he started so well, doing every possible role of a CM. He has the ability but should get some luck with injuries.

counterlock

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Henderson actually has great potential.

So does Bebe.

Im not sure about Lucas too. Anyone would look decent in their midfield(Charlie Adam excluded) when Gerard is missing, just look how bad Mereles is with Chelsea this year.

Cantona's Collars

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Henderson actually has great potential.

Didn't someone state that "he's very good at running alongside players"? So is a dog but that doesn't make the dog a footballer.

When United were linked with him I hoped that we wouldn't sign him and now there he is,an average player at an average club.

stesaurus

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

You guys should calm down and stop losing the run of yourselves there. Because you are making way too many ridiculous assumptions.

To reiterate, the LEAGUE must be the priority. United have had the worst injury ridden season on record. So to win the league this season, could be regarded as one of SAF greatest achievements.

Last week was one of the greatest humiliations I have ever witnessed for a United team. Bilbao dominated and out played United more than Barcelona ever did imo. So lets be realistic, United will have to score 3 away goals tomorrow to win and hope Bilbao are held scoreless.

As a result, I will therefore be making no emotional investment in the game. Beating City means everything for me this season and nothing else. So don't direct your self-appointed guardians of the true United supporter's crap at me please.

WTF are you talking about? Seriously. You go on about ridiculous assumptions and then go on make a load yourself.

As I stated I am fine with priorities. Of course the league is priority, who is denying that?
What I said was I don't understand people who dismiss the competition and not care if you qualify for the next round.
Where the hell are you getting this self-appointed guardian bs from that???

Draupnir

I thought Eriksen looked excellent against us, composure and two-footed passing ability in spades, I'd be delighted if we signed him. His positioning and reading of the game was brilliant too, I lost count of how many times he picked the ball up in space between midfield and attack before moving it on to a winger or shooting, it reminded me a lot of Scholes five years ago.

I wouldn't be in favour of giving up on Anderson but we could do with toughening up himself and Cleverly because as great as they appear to be as a partnership, it's no good if they can only manage a game a season together.

I'm starting to think Sir Alex hasn't bought midfielders over the last few years because he is developing an anti Barcelona strategy that doesn't involve ball winning midfielders in the conventional sense. I think he sees Carrick as his version of Busquets and intends on building a 4-1-3-2 around him which then relies on high pressing and fast counter attacking.

Something like:

Rafael ---- Jones ---- Smalling ---- Fabio

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Carrick

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Young

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Cleverly

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Anderson

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Rooney

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Wellbeck

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Obviously I've plonked Young in there in place of a single midfield signing which I think is from a range of 4/5 young European talents with Eriksen my preference based on the limited games I've seen. Mind you the kid who scored the last goal against us for Bilbao last week would do nicely too if he can build on his performance that night.

I also think that our squad is very nicely built now to be able to deploy many different formations in each competition based on our opponents and we've got plenty of strength in depth.

Chucky the tree

counterlock wrote: »

So does Bebe.

Im not sure about Lucas too. Anyone would look decent in their midfield(Charlie Adam excluded) when Gerard is missing, just look how bad Mereles is with Chelsea this year.

No he doesn't. Lol'd at your second point alot though, thanks.

zerks wrote: »

Didn't someone state that "he's very good at running alongside players"? So is a dog but that doesn't make the dog a footballer.

When United were linked with him I hoped that we wouldn't sign him and now there he is,an average player at an average club.

You're knowledge of football is pretty terrible so I wouldn't expect anything less though.

Will I Amnt

Ah bollox,only copped it's a 18:00pm kick off.
Praise the lord Steve Jobs and his disciple liveonlinefooty for empowering me with the ability to watch football anywhere......as in work this evening
and the back of church 3 weeks ago at a christening.
And the NCT centre last Sunday.......etc.etc.etc.

Will I Amnt

Henderson looks as much a prospect as any other half decent young lad,he has shown nothing to suggest he will go on to become a quality player.

Its getting thrown out there that he's a late developer and not everyone is brilliant at that age.......He also might not be that good.

Until he shows some kind of form it's pointless to say he has great potential.
Every academy in the league has great potential.

Cantona's Collars

Chucky the tree wrote: »

You're knowledge of football is pretty terrible so I wouldn't expect anything less though.

It's no worse than Jordan Henderson's.I had him sussed since day one & you seem to rate him???
Next you'll be comparing Adam to Iniesta.

Have you ever played the game?

Chucky the tree

cambo2008 wrote: »

Henderson looks as much a prospect as any other half decent young lad,he has shown nothing to suggest he will go on to become a quality player.

Its getting thrown out there that he's a late developer and not everyone is brilliant at that age.......He also might not be that good.

Until he shows some kind of form it's pointless to say he has great potential.
Every academy in the league has great potential.

So he didn't show any kind of form at Sunderland in his 60 odd appearances? Right. Considering the hype Cleverly has gotten based on far less appearances I find most of this pretty comical.

zerks wrote: »

It's no worse than Jordan Henderson's.I had him sussed since day one & you seem to rate him???
Next you'll be comparing Adam to Iniesta.

Have you ever played the game?

No doubt you have had him sussed since 2009. Yes I have.

Will I Amnt

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So he didn't show any kind of form at Sunderland in his 60 odd appearances? Right. Considering the hype Cleverly has gotten based on far less appearances I find most of this pretty comical.

I didn't rate him at Sunderland.
If you are any use at detective work you'll find a post of mine that states I would be disappointed if him and Rodwell were the class of player we were after.

As for Cleverley,he's put in some excellent performances for United,something Henderson has yet to do for Liverpool.
Cleverley is still overhyped by a lot of people but he looks the part when he plays.

Chucky the tree

cambo2008 wrote: »

I didn't rate him at Sunderland.
If you are any use at detective work you'll find a post of mine that states I would be disappointed if him and Rodwell were the class of player we were after.

As for Cleverley,he's put in some excellent performances for United,something Henderson has yet to do for Liverpool.
Cleverley is still overhyped by a lot of people but he looks the part when he plays.

Give him another year, play him in his best position and he certainly has a good chance. Cleverly has the benefit of playing in an excellent team.

RasTa

zerks wrote: »

It's no worse than Jordan Henderson's.I had him sussed since day one & you seem to rate him???
Next you'll be comparing Adam to Iniesta.

Have you ever played the game?

lol is this a joke post?

Will I Amnt

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Give him another year, play him in his best position and he certainly has a good chance. Cleverly has the benefit of playing in an excellent team.

He could turn out to be good but there's also a possibility that he is as limited as he often looks.

Don't mean to be having a go or anything,the whole idea of people saying players have great potential grates on me a bit.
It's nigh on impossible for your average football fan to predict how well a player will eventually turn out,even the best managers in the game can't even do it all of the time.

counterlock

We didn't sign Henderson, he is your problem. There is no need to come across here attack posters just to justify your club/manager's mistakes.

Chucky the tree

cambo2008 wrote: »

He could turn out to be good but there's also a possibility that he is as limited as he often looks.

Don't mean to be having a go or anything,the whole idea of people saying players have great potential grates on me a bit.
It's nigh on impossible for your average football fan to predict how well a player will eventually turn out,even the best managers in the game can't even do it all of the time.

I agree, it is very difficult but I don't think he looks limited because of a lack of skill. He's a very good passer, good technique, solid on the ball and generally makes good decisions and has good vision. He looks far better in the centre as attacking midfielder than on the wing. He's not great a dribbling and he's not great at crossing either, two areas that will make anyone who plays on the wing look fairly limited. Areas he lacks in are physicality and tackling and I'm not sure he'll ever improve on that.

sReq | uTeK

counterlock wrote: »

So does Bebe.

Im not sure about Lucas too. Anyone would look decent in their midfield(Charlie Adam excluded) when Gerard is missing, just look how bad Mereles is with Chelsea this year.

Are you deluded.

If Lucas was english it would be non stop talk about him but as he's a 'WHITE'
brazilian he flys under the radar when it comes to media spotlight, thankfully people with a brain apprecaite just how good he is.

Starts for Brazil when he's fit and ready, performs on an international level just as well as he performs in the premierleague never goes missing and always does a terrific DFM job, in fact I'd go so far as saying he's the best in the premierleague at his positon.

liverpool are a shadow of a team in midfield without him.

Btw, I'm a fanatical united fan, but I can appreciate talent.

Henderson on the other hand, wow...him and downing, money well spent.:eek:

counterlock

I'm not deluded thankfully .

He had a good second half of the year last season, prior that he has been average. Him missing this year has been exagerrated by Gerrards injuries. Give me Scott Parker any day of the week.

At least we can agree on Henderson and Downing

keane2097

Oh for fuck sake.

Listen, it's simple, people still questioning Lucas' quality don't know shit about soccer, end of. Move on.

Al Capwned

"Deluded"

"Retarded"


Two words that should be banned from the internet!

Nalz

alproctor wrote: »

"Deluded"

"Retarded"


Two words that should be banned from the internet!

and replaced with "quare bad" & "quare stoopid"

Orando Broom

alproctor wrote: »

"Deluded"

"Retarded"


Two words that should be banned from the internet!

Yep. Also there should be an automatic two week ban on the soccer forum for decrying one person's OPINION without backing up your counter opinion.

It is easy for me or anyone to troll around saying this point is 'bollocks' or 'retarded' and not provide a counter point. The fact remains that the people who do this are themselves, in fact, the 'retards'.

There is loads of stuff I disagree with here on certain points but I'll always doff the cap to a point that was considered and though out regardless of how 'out there' it may be. It is quite sad that there are a few warriors on the soccer board who think they can just shout down points ad hoc whilst providing no alternative.