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Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12
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No that is not a fact. You are assuming that I judge players on who they have played for rather than how good they are.
He came on and bossed the show against City in the Charity Shield game. They are kind of good. He played excellently against WBA and Spurs, both of whom were well organised on the day. And he destroyed Arsenal, but they were shìte tbf. He has played plenty well enough in properly competitive games to show that he is quality.
You don't agree. Assuming that he is not hampered by injury, you will be eating your words soon enough.
I just hope that Fergie brings in a proper all round CM to partner him. It will be a waste if we just rely on Clev to provide all the midfield passing.
West Brom have a terrible home record, and are near the relegation zone.
Spurs were a shambles the first few weeks.
Arsenal were too. He didn't play unreal in any of them matches anyways.
I hope I am eating them but it wouldn't be hard to look good with the players utd have now.
Let's see him play against a good side first before judging. Remember every utd player looked good the first few weeks
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Mitch Connor wrote: »the spurs midfield we played against was livermore and krancjar, they created a good amount. West Brom ran through ou midfield loads. Arsenal couldn't defend to save their lives but still walked through our midfield and created lots. Chelsea the same - created loads and our midfield did not stop them.
Cleverley did well enough, and I think his style and pressence improves our forward line. However, you are not looking at the actual performances when you praise the early season games - we were very lucky not to concede a crap load more.
I am looking at the actual performances. That's why I'm saying we need to get in an all rounder CM to partner Cleverly. His main strengths are what he does with the ball, rather than what he does when defending. He will have to work on his defending, but he's probably never going to be able to be fully relied on defensively without a proper defensive player beside him.
In the games he played he was beside the tubby and lazy Brazilian. That combination was never going to be sound defensively. But they were superb with the ball, mostly because of Cleverly himself. We need a proper CM who can defend and is still good on the ball. Then Cleverly can go about the business of becoming the next Scholes.I really don't see how it's crazy to trust professionals who live the game and are paid top money because they're better candidates than others for judging people, over people who primarily enjoy the sights from their sofa.
Fans can give us a great insight into the behaviour of a player off the pitch, or report injury news before it hits the media, but there are two things fans generally know jack-sh*t about; Tactics & judging potential.
Yeah most fans are idiots. But so are most managers. Given the same time viewing a player I would back my opinion on a player over most managers and coaches. There are just too many clueless ones and too much false talk to be worth bothering with their opinions imo.
Whatever about you trusting other fans' opinions, you have seen him a dozen times yourself. But you are still waiting for other people to tell you whether he is good or not. Watching and discussing football must be very different for you. If you have no faith in your own opinion, then we should expect that every opinion you express on players is just a regurgitation of what some managers have said. That's just odd man.Jones has been great and for 19 is unreal. He'll be an unreal player. But at CB this season he's made a lot of mistakes aswell as good things. First mistake I noticed was in the Arsenal game, where instead of heading a cross out for a corner, he headed it out to the side, and left everyone onside and RVP got the 2nd goal.
He hasn't made a lot of mistakes, he's made a few. And that's with coming in and out of an extremely unsettled back four. Give him a run in a settled back four beside the better defenders and he would soon iron out the creases imo. Either way, the dude is still worth lots of hype.West Brom have a terrible home record, and are near the relegation zone.
Spurs were a shambles the first few weeks.
Arsenal were too. He didn't play unreal in any of them matches anyways.
I hope I am eating them but it wouldn't be hard to look good with the players utd have now.
Let's see him play against a good side first before judging. Remember every utd player looked good the first few weeks
Both Spurs and West Brom were well organised and motivated when they played us. We still moved the ball around better than we have in years. And you are forgetting City.
Cleverly played excellently in all of those matches. You'll realise how good he is eventually.0 -
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Did i say Thiago & Jones were similarThiago is a different kind of player entirely. So you can name one player in the world who might be better than Jones. You are proving the point against yourself.
People trying to look clever by adopting a contrarian opinion on Jones are starting to make this thread slippery with drool.
i compared them because Jones has played midfield quite a bit this season & been poor
i think Jones is a good talent but overated0 -
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