im not convinced

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 2:41pm #1

I had a great job and d company folded like many others.my work was construction related.i took a few months off n den knuckled down to finding employment.i was prepared to do anything as long as it gave me an honest wage.i applied dor every job i saw from fast food outlets to public service jobs . I was serious about finding a job .e.this is the way i looked at it . I get x amount on the job seekers allowence.any few euros i earn over that amount is worth working for.i got a job easy enough and need not have stressed so much . Sure i work d odd night and every other weekend but im earning a healthy honest wage.my life is great and im so happy.iv an easy job compared to my previous and my life is stress free .
.what promts this thread is a conversation i had with a guy i know.
He WAS a block layer .i asked him if he had any work lately ( a conversation iv had a lot lately) . He said . No nothing out there I HAVE NOT LAYED A BLOCK IN TWO YEARS..i know ww can all talk anout individual cases but iv spoke to a lot of different people and nothing seems to have changed ..i dont understand?? Im not convinced people are trying and r as deaperate as the government n media lead us to believe. I think the work is out there but we as a nation have big ideas avout who we were..am i alone in this view? Wat do u think?

newmug · 23-12-2011 3:05pm

You're just lucky. Fair play to you getting a job, but the media is more right than wrong in this case.

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 3:19pm

Im not lucky. I made it happen.i work in the security industry . Its a booming industry n loads of work .i work for a great company and they employ male n female staff. I have friends who moan and bitch about bills .they are noy paying their mortgages and leave bills until they get threatening letters . Iv told them how to get work but it seem people feel its their right not to work or pay their way..am i being harsh?

newmug · 23-12-2011 3:37pm

braintoxic wrote: »

Im not lucky. I made it happen.i work in the security industry . Its a booming industry n loads of work .i work for a great company and they employ male n female staff. I have friends who moan and bitch about bills .they are noy paying their mortgages and leave bills until they get threatening letters . Iv told them how to get work but it seem people feel its their right not to work or pay their way..am i being harsh?

I'm afraid you are being harsh. And pardon me, but I'm going to be harsh now aswell - you didnt make it happen, you just got lucky. Nothing wrong with that, but when you say you "made it happen", do you not think that thats what everybody else is doing, all the time? 400,000 of us have been trying to make it happen without success. Maybe some of your friends are the exception, and I'm sure there definately are people who think they "deserve" to have a deadly job, but in my experience they are in the minority.

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 4:08pm

No your wrong . I did my security course . Got a licence and now im working . I sent out my cv and was offered a job pretty much straight away.in fact 4 other major security contacted me asking if i was available.i did not get lucky as you say.

MidlandsM · 23-12-2011 4:11pm

...but shure who wants to work in Security?

Hence why you got the job.

racso1975 · 23-12-2011 4:13pm

You sound very suited to the job. best of luck

partyatmygaff · 23-12-2011 4:16pm

braintoxic wrote: »

Im not lucky. I made it happen.i work in the security industry . Its a booming industry n loads of work.

Well there you go. You're one of those who just so happen to work in an industry that hasn't been too badly affected by the recession. Not everyone is in the same position.

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 4:50pm

@partyatmygaff ...read the post .i worked in construction . Lost my job n now work in security .my point is there is plenty of work out there if u look and ur willing to do it . If any genuine people read this feel free to pm me.

partyatmygaff · 23-12-2011 4:54pm

braintoxic wrote: »

@partyatmygaff ...read the post .i worked in construction . Lost my job n now work in security .my point is there is plenty of work out there if u look and ur willing to do it . If any genuine people read this feel free to pm me.

I read your entire post but chose to ignore that part to avoid starting an argument.

Not everyone wants (Or is capable) of changing industry that easily.

Jim2007 · 23-12-2011 4:58pm

newmug wrote: »

I'm afraid you are being harsh. And pardon me, but I'm going to be harsh now aswell - you didnt make it happen, you just got lucky.

I think it is a bit of both really, yes you need a bit of luck, but you also have to make your own luck! The majority of people out there are playing by the rules - send out the CV, get the refusal and so on. But there are another smaller group of people that are far more aggressive about it, they will literal do anything to get their foot in the door:

Hand deliver the CV, to try and get face time
Hang out in the pub where the office goes drinking
Find out where the boss goes for a pint and be there
Try and get customers of the company to recommend them for the position
Work for free
Attending evening courses where they might be able to network
Make proposals on how they would have done a project the employer is working on

Yes of course there is an element of luck, but the harder you search the better your luck:D

The OP sounds like a very determined individual who would probably make a go of it in any situation.

hdowney · 23-12-2011 5:09pm

a bit in the op's post that grated on me was when the block layer said they hadn't laid a block in two years - when asked had they any work. this is something that annoys me.

i am very sorry that people lost their jobs/there is no work in a particular industry etc (heck my mother lost her job). but to ONLY look for work in that one thing - i know they guy trained as a block layer, i am not suggesting he try go get a job in accounting if he has no qualification for it, but there are jobs out there to be had. perhaps not in block laying and it might not be as easy as it used to be. but the people who will ONLY work in the thing they used to. it smacks of the celtic tiger days when people wouldn't do menial jobs and are no complaining that 'all the foreigners have took our jobs' - ye didn't want them before ffs. but some of these people come across like they still consider certain jobs beneath them, and they'd rather be on the dole (odd i know) than take a job say cleaning. like it demeans them and the fact that they have a trade or whatnot. they don't consider the food on the table and bills paid aspect of it.

Mrs OBumble · 23-12-2011 5:54pm

I'm in the "a bit right and a bit wrong" camp: no one has the right to refuse to change industries / roles.

Labour markets change - always have, always will. People need to adapt. Sometimes that means retraining, less money, less status, not so much craic at work, whatever. That's the way it goes. Some people have difficulty with that.

OP, you're lucky in that you have a 10-year checkable work history and a personality type that can "stick" security (it's something I couldn't handle - and in the last two years I've done lots of ****e jobs, just to be in work). So there is some luck, though I give a fair bit of weight to the theory that there's no such thing as luck: what we call luck is usually preparation meeting opportunity.

OTOH, there are definitely not 400,000 jobs out there. If everyone hustled like the OP did, then s/he might not have job the job.

partyatmygaff · 23-12-2011 6:10pm

JustMary wrote: »

I'm in the "a bit right and a bit wrong" camp: no one has the right to refuse to change industries / roles.

In some cases, changing industry/job type is just impossible. It'd be a bit much to expect people with very specialised qualifications and education to forego everything just so that they can take the first job they find that pays a wage. For example, would it be fair to expect an unemployed doctor to go work in McDonalds?

hdowney · 23-12-2011 6:19pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In some cases, changing industry/job type is just impossible. It'd be a bit much to expect people with very specialised qualifications and education to forego everything just so that they can take the first job they find that pays a wage. For example, would it be fair to expect an unemployed doctor to go work in McDonalds?

why not? that doesn't mean he cannot continue to look for work in his profession, and when he finds it, leave the maccy d's job. but why should he be treated like he is better than someone else, as in let the little person work in maccy d's, i am too important so i shall continue to be funded by the state until such time as a job of the right calibre becomes available. in this day and age hell no. they should suck up their pride, pull up their sleeves and dig in

mikemac1 · 23-12-2011 7:08pm

This bricklayer who hasn't worked in two years, is he holding out for something in construction?

Bricklayers earned some serious money during the boom and maybe he can't adapt

Maybe he still has a "I'm not getting out of bed for less then 1K a week" attitude
Hey, it's out there

Things can't be that bad for tradesmen.
I've dealt with a few this year who were no shows :mad:

Some still want the big jobs on new estates and have no interest in repairs and call out jobs
No shortage of tradesmen crying on Joe Duffy show though

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 7:17pm

JustMary wrote: »

I'm in the "a bit right and a bit wrong" camp: no one has the right to refuse to change industries / roles.

Labour markets change - always have, always will. People need to adapt. Sometimes that means retraining, less money, less status, not so much craic at work, whatever. That's the way it goes. Some people have difficulty with that.

OP, you're lucky in that you have a 10-year checkable work history and a personality type that can "stick" security (it's something I couldn't handle - and in the last two years I've done lots of ****e jobs, just to be in work). So there is some luck, though I give a fair bit of weight to the theory that there's no such thing as luck: what we call luck is usually preparation meeting opportunity.

OTOH, there are definitely not 400,000 jobs out there. If everyone hustled like the OP did, then s/he might not have job the job.

Thanks for the constructive reply .but is it lucky to have a ten year checkable history?? Explain! Im not talking about 400,000 jobs but i can point a person. In the right direction and i know work is available .also il stick any job that feeds my family n pays d bills because im a realist n not a bandwagon jumper .

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 7:20pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

JustMary wrote: »

I'm in the "a bit right and a bit wrong" camp: no one has the right to refuse to change industries / roles.

In some cases, changing industry/job type is just impossible. It'd be a bit much to expect people with very specialised qualifications and education to forego everything just so that they can take the first job they find that pays a wage. For example, would it be fair to expect an unemployed doctor to go work in McDonalds?

And you my friend are an idiot .i bet u live with mammy and daddy . Run along this is sa post for grown ups . Look look a santa grotto .off u go little man

Jim2007 · 23-12-2011 7:25pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In some cases, changing industry/job type is just impossible. It'd be a bit much to expect people with very specialised qualifications and education to forego everything just so that they can take the first job they find that pays a wage. For example, would it be fair to expect an unemployed doctor to go work in McDonalds?

As someone else said why not... in most other European countries unemployment benefits are limited to a specific period and after that you become what is commonly called a "social case" meaning that to get any further financial assistance you have to show that you have exhausted all other financial resources - savings, sold the BMW, moved to cheaper housing and so on. You still qualify for training courses etc... but no cash!

This does mean that some people will have to accept jobs that might be below their qualifications or even retrain. But it also means that only really deserving cases remain a drain on the state.

As far as I can see Ireland & UK are among the few where you can continue to receive benefits indefinitely!

mikemac1 · 23-12-2011 7:27pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

For example, would it be fair to expect an unemployed doctor to go work in McDonalds?

Would keep you going for a few months. Sure didn't most of us work minimum wage and low paid jobs in college and for a while afterwards. Any job is better for your mental health then staying at home and having your confidence sap away. Would get you out and meeting people

And McDonalds are a good employer. It's all done by the book. McDonalds have a great reputation as an employer

They treat their staff better then many hotels in Ireland where overtime, rest periods and breaks do not exist and bullying is common

partyatmygaff · 23-12-2011 7:27pm

hdowney wrote: »

why not? that doesn't mean he cannot continue to look for work in his profession, and when he finds it, leave the maccy d's job. but why should he be treated like he is better than someone else, as in let the little person work in maccy d's, i am too important so i shall continue to be funded by the state until such time as a job of the right calibre becomes available. in this day and age hell no. they should suck up their pride, pull up their sleeves and dig in

Well for one, the chances of McDonalds actually accepting an application from a doctor or similar are almost nonexistant. The employer will know full well that they're just looking for a stopgap job and that they'll leave at the first opportunity that they get. No one wants staff like that.

Another thing, the highly skilled and educated shouldn't work in unskilled or menial jobs. Not because they're above it but because their skills and talents could be put to much better use doing something else. Take for example someone who has a degree in Biochemistry. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to say take part in an unpaid research project (While still on the dole) than to go take any old job? They'd actually be bettering themselves and returning something to the society who helped fund their degree.

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 7:36pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

hdowney wrote: »

why not? that doesn't mean he cannot continue to look for work in his profession, and when he finds it, leave the maccy d's job. but why should he be treated like he is better than someone else, as in let the little person work in maccy d's, i am too important so i shall continue to be funded by the state until such time as a job of the right calibre becomes available. in this day and age hell no. they should suck up their pride, pull up their sleeves and dig in

Well for one, the chances of McDonalds actually accepting an application from a doctor or similar are almost nonexistant. The employer will know full well that they're just looking for a stopgap job and that they'll leave at the first opportunity that they get. No one wants staff like that.

Another thing, the highly skilled and educated shouldn't work in unskilled or menial jobs. Not because they're above it but because their skills and talents could be put to much better use doing something else. Take for example someone who has a degree in Biochemistry. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to say take part in an unpaid research project (While still on the dole) than to go take any old job?

..im sure a. Lock layer considers himself highly skilled. So what your saying is only some people are too good for some jobs ..Leave that kind of job to less intellegent people. The state can pay me until i find a job that suits me ! The social welfare would love u

partyatmygaff · 23-12-2011 7:39pm

braintoxic wrote: »

And you my friend are an idiot .i bet u live with mammy and daddy . Run along this is sa post for grown ups . Look look a santa grotto .off u go little man

There's only one person who's throwing their toys out of the pram in this little exchange and it's not me.

mikemac1 wrote: »

Would keep you going for a few months. Sure didn't most of us work minimum wage and low paid jobs in college and for a while afterwards. Any job is better for your mental health then staying at home and having your confidence sap away. Would get you out and meeting people

And McDonalds are a good employer. It's all done by the book. McDonalds have a great reputation as an employer

They treat their staff better then many hotels in Ireland where overtime, rest periods and breaks do not exist and bullying is common

Oh yeah I know. McDonalds are one of the better employers out there. I just used them as an example.

eastbono · 23-12-2011 7:42pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well for one, the chances of McDonalds actually accepting an application from a doctor or similar are almost nonexistant. The employer will know full well that they're just looking for a stopgap job and that they'll leave at the first opportunity that they get. No one wants staff like that.

Another thing, the highly skilled and educated shouldn't work in unskilled or menial jobs. Not because they're above it but because their skills and talents could be put to much better use doing something else. Take for example someone who has a degree in Biochemistry. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to say take part in an unpaid research project (While still on the dole) than to go take any old job? They'd actually be bettering themselves and returning something to the society who helped fund their degree.

I agree with what you say. But the jobs arent there. If they want to get jobs in their field or take part in a research project which is mostly at Phd level(or post doc level) they need to broaden their horizons and look abroad. This has always been the case with research projects even in Celtic Tigers years.
I dont speak from ignorance... I speak as a parent who has someone working abroad and once my other child(adult) finishes their Phd they will be heading abroad for post doc as it is actively encouraged for career progression. BTW both my children were lucky and worked their way through Uni. Unfortunately that is the main problem now that jobs are few and far between for people putting themselves through Uni.

Jim2007 · 23-12-2011 7:50pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well for one, the chances of McDonalds actually accepting an application from a doctor or similar are almost nonexistant. The employer will know full well that they're just looking for a stopgap job and that they'll leave at the first opportunity that they get. No one wants staff like that.

Well you were the one that suggested McDonalds...

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Another thing, the highly skilled and educated shouldn't work in unskilled or menial jobs. Not because they're above it but because their skills and talents could be put to much better use doing something else. Take for example someone who has a degree in Biochemistry. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to say take part in an unpaid research project (While still on the dole) than to go take any old job?

Not when the state has no funds no! The fact that the person has failed to find a job within a reasonable time frame - lets say 18 months or so, means that their skills are not required right now...

Look here in Switzerland we have PhDs in chemistry and related subjects coming out our ears, because there are a lot of chemical companies head quartered here and everyone expected to get a job, the did not! So instead they have had to take other jobs or be penniless, you'll find them working in all kinds of jobs from kindergarten teachers, to ticket checkers on the trains, to gardeners and what not. That is life, deal with it - nobody owes you a living.

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 7:50pm

I had a number of polish people working for me . Doctors mechanics dentists etc .but they all came over here to work on d buildings no problem . A lot of my friends are gone to austrilia n germany to work construction and again many have been to college and have had higher end jobs .i meet a lot of people here still scrounging off the dole who refuse to accept the state does not owe you the job you trained or are qualified for .my family is my number one priority and my pride comes when i pay my own way and im not owing to the rest of the country ..

eastbono · 23-12-2011 8:13pm

braintoxic wrote: »

I had a number of polish people working for me . Doctors mechanics dentists etc .but they all came over here to work on d buildings no problem . A lot of my friends are gone to austrilia n germany to work construction and again many have been to college and have had higher end jobs .i meet a lot of people here still scrounging off the dole who refuse to accept the state does not owe you the job you trained or are qualified for .my family is my number one priority and my pride comes when i pay my own way and im not owing to the rest of the country ..

I can see and understand where you are coming from... but there are not enough jobs for everyone who now find themselves unemployed to be employed.And not everyone is in a position where they can move for job prospects e.g. family, mortgage. My major bugbear and soapbox was when we had "total employment" we still had 140,000 long term unemployed and had to look abroad to fill our job vacancies.

hdowney · 23-12-2011 8:24pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Well for one, the chances of McDonalds actually accepting an application from a doctor or similar are almost nonexistant. The employer will know full well that they're just looking for a stopgap job and that they'll leave at the first opportunity that they get. No one wants staff like that.

Another thing, the highly skilled and educated shouldn't work in unskilled or menial jobs. Not because they're above it but because their skills and talents could be put to much better use doing something else. Take for example someone who has a degree in Biochemistry. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to say take part in an unpaid research project (While still on the dole) than to go take any old job? They'd actually be bettering themselves and returning something to the society who helped fund their degree.

i do completely agree that some skilled people find it difficult to get an employer (such as, but i don't know about them personally, maccy d's) to take them seriously when they apply for a job. employers should be more open to people who have qualifications and look for a job. i don't think a qualification in one field should prevent you from being offered a job somewhere else. so yes that is a problem many skilled people face. however just because it happens some places doesn't mean it will in all, and they should apply.

yes i am sure research is a worthwhile use of their time. but firstly as a poster said, there isn't the money to fund them and their research (and clearly the don't have the money to fund themselves). if they went and got a job then the money the government was paying them in dole could in theory be used to fund other things, such as research grants.

what bothers me is the fact that a lot of skilled graduates (not all granted) don't want to be seen doing certain jobs. they went through college and got the qualification so as not to have to work those jobs, so coming out the end of it seems wrong to them. whereas being on the dole, if anyone says anything, they can say there are no jobs in the sector at the moment but as soon as there are they'll be gone from the dole like a shot. it is a disgrace

theg81der · 23-12-2011 8:26pm

Braintoxic - did you target the market and spot a gap? Was security an informed choice? I`ve recently finished a degree in Accounting and there are no accouting jobs. I am 100% willing to retrain but as I have a level 8 now I`m not eligable for any training. I can`t afford to pay for education right now. My husbands not working and has done 7 courses fas recommended and has a huge pile of rejection letters from anywhere and everywhere. He feels so bad about not being able to support me and the baby we have on the way but not everyone has you confidence and I think this is his issue.

Its very simplistic and incorrect to say everyone who doesn`t have a job doesn`t want one really.

hdowney · 23-12-2011 8:30pm

theg81der wrote: »

Braintoxic - did you target the market and spot a gap? Was security an informed choice? I`ve recently finished a degree in Accounting and there are no accouting jobs. I am 100% willing to retrain but as I have a level 8 now I`m not eligable for any training. I can`t afford to pay for education right now. My husbands not working and has done 7 courses fas recommended and has a huge pile of rejection letters from anywhere and everywhere. He feels so bad about not being able to support me and the baby we have on the way but not everyone has you confidence and I think this is his issue.

Its very simplistic and incorrect to say everyone who doesn`t have a job doesn`t want one really.

i don't think that everyone who doesn't have a job doesn't want one. i just do come across a fair number of two groups, the had a good job and doesn't want to work at anything less group, and the doesn't want to work a day dole scrounger group. after a while dealing with these two you can become a bit jaded and judgemental of people in general and possibly jump to conclusions based on the most megar of information

krd · 23-12-2011 8:40pm

I smell a troll.

I dont understand wy anybodee is unemployed. Deres millions of jobs out dere. It was easee for me.

Peeple are just lazee or cracked in de head if dey cant get a job.

Just roll ur sleeves up

theg81der · 23-12-2011 8:42pm

hdowney wrote: »

i don't think that everyone who doesn't have a job doesn't want one. i just do come across a fair number of two groups, the had a good job and doesn't want to work at anything less group, and the doesn't want to work a day dole scrounger group. after a while dealing with these two you can become a bit jaded and judgemental of people in general and possibly jump to conclusions based on the most megar of information

Well clearly you haven`t accounted for the third group then. Now admittedly I am currently not looking I had intended in aggressively trying to get something out of the holidays but I can barely leave bed with morning sickness (which I am renaming all day sickness) but if you have a job my hubby will be there any time you want.

Eoin · 23-12-2011 9:03pm

braintoxic wrote: »

And you my friend are an idiot .i bet u live with mammy and daddy . Run along this is sa post for grown ups . Look look a santa grotto .off u go little man

Keep it civil please people.

krd · 23-12-2011 9:09pm

Eoin wrote: »

Keep it civil please people.

Honestly, do you smell a troll?

There are people out there, in genuine despair at how hard they're finding it to get a job - anything. And there are people who will take pleasure in rubbing it in their faces.

IsaacWunder · 23-12-2011 9:27pm

krd wrote: »

Honestly, do you smell a troll?

There are people out there, in genuine despair at how hard they're finding it to get a job - anything. And there are people who will take pleasure in rubbing it in their faces.

+1

I have a job, but I recognise I'm very lucky to have it. The "on yer bike" merchants sicken me when anyone can see we're in the middle of the biggest economic depression since the 1930's, if not a bigger one.

m.j.w · 23-12-2011 9:41pm

i have to agree with the op, there are alot of people saying there is no jobs but the only field they want to work in is the one they are qualified in. there are some low level jobs there that people wont do. just because you are qualified at something does not mean thats the only jobs you should aim for. im doing an apprenticeship as an electrician and ill be finished next year, i know there wont be any electrical jobs in ireland and i dont want to work as anything else so ill leave the country if needs be. if you want to stay in ireland you should take any job avaliable and if you dont want to then stop complaining.

hdowney · 23-12-2011 9:43pm

theg81der wrote: »

Well clearly you haven`t accounted for the third group then. Now admittedly I am currently not looking I had intended in aggressively trying to get something out of the holidays but I can barely leave bed with morning sickness (which I am renaming all day sickness) but if you have a job my hubby will be there any time you want.

believe me i do account for the third group. i am it. i have applied for countless jobs (college student who had to defer a year due to being sick, but still looking for job) had interviews and all but nothing doing yet. still gonna keep trying

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 10:51pm

theg81der wrote: »

Braintoxic - did you target the market and spot a gap? Was security an informed choice? I`ve recently finished a degree in Accounting and there are no accouting jobs. I am 100% willing to retrain but as I have a level 8 now I`m not eligable for any training. I can`t afford to pay for education right now. My husbands not working and has done 7 courses fas recommended and has a huge pile of rejection letters from anywhere and everywhere. He feels so bad about not being able to support me and the baby we have on the way but not everyone has you confidence and I think this is his issue.

Its very simplistic and incorrect to say everyone who doesn`t have a job doesn`t want one really.

Ok so . I did look into it and for the moment this industry is on the increase , unfortunatly as the recession takes hold there is more need for security so its a good job to be considering . I wont be popular for this comment but most security officers leave a lot to be desired,we all have "that" security guard image!!
people like me who appreciate being given a ,chance and who have morals and principals n take pride in their apperance and work shine in this industry . There are huge oppurtunities.
You can choose retail or industrial,some companies pay above the JLC rates n still give shift allowences n unsociable hours premiums . The industry is governed by inland revenue.gardai and social services .the body is called the PSA .so that affords you job protection from unreasonable employers.
Pm me and il give u an idea of earnings.
The hard facts are you dont need a high level of education ( iv no leaving cert) but companies desire english speaking presentable people that they can put in any location .when i started i had clients requesting me because im friendly polite helpful and i did not have that usual security guard image n attitude....

braintoxic · 23-12-2011 10:53pm

theg81der wrote: »

Braintoxic - did you target the market and spot a gap? Was security an informed choice? I`ve recently finished a degree in Accounting and there are no accouting jobs. I am 100% willing to retrain but as I have a level 8 now I`m not eligable for any training. I can`t afford to pay for education right now. My husbands not working and has done 7 courses fas recommended and has a huge pile of rejection letters from anywhere and everywhere. He feels so bad about not being able to support me and the baby we have on the way but not everyone has you confidence and I think this is his issue.

Its very simplistic and incorrect to say everyone who doesn`t have a job doesn`t want one really.

Ok so . I did look into it and for the moment this industry is on the increase , unfortunatly as the recession takes hold there is more need for security so its a good job to be considering . I wont be popular for this comment but most security officers leave a lot to be desired,we all have "that" security guard image!!
people like me who appreciate being given a ,chance and who have morals and principals n take pride in their apperance and work shine in this industry . There are huge oppurtunities.
You can choose retail or industrial,some companies pay above the JLC rates n still give shift allowences n unsociable hours premiums . The industry is governed by inland revenue.gardai and social services .the body is called the PSA .so that affords you job protection from unreasonable employers.
Pm me and il give u an idea of earnings.
The hard facts are you dont need a high level of education ( iv no leaving cert) but companies desire english speaking presentable people that they can put in any location .when i started i had clients requesting me because im friendly polite helpful and i did not have that usual security guard image n attitude....

Jim2007 · 24-12-2011 12:56am

theg81der wrote: »

I`ve recently finished a degree in Accounting and there are no accouting jobs.

In stead of looking for a job, why not try and offer a service? Accountants are expensive and there are lots of small businesses looking for ways to reduce the accountants fees... Of course you can't sign off on an audit, but here is nothing stopping you doing payroll, VAT returns, accounts to trial balance, Companies office returns, you can even do full accounts for companies with an audit exemption...

If you can show people that you'll add value by reducing their account fees, they'll talk to you. But it will mean a lot of cold calling..

Jim2007 · 24-12-2011 1:18am

eastbono wrote: »

I can see and understand where you are coming from... but there are not enough jobs for everyone who now find themselves unemployed to be employed.And not everyone is in a position where they can move for job prospects e.g. family, mortgage. My major bugbear and soapbox was when we had "total employment" we still had 140,000 long term unemployed and had to look abroad to fill our job vacancies.

All the more reason to "push" people who can to get a job off the queue... if after a certain period say 18 months or 2 years a person has not found a job in their area, then they should be required to take what is going, if anything. After a reasonable time frame there is no reason why the tax payer should continue to foot the bill, if a person can find an alternative source of income they should be required to do so. This is what is done in other European countries, so why not here?

Chessala · 24-12-2011 8:13am

My 2 cents to this, if anyone feels offended please let me know.

I am sure that there are people out there that genuinely are fighting to get a job but for many reasons didn't get one yet or for health reasons can't work. My post is not referring to those people but the ones the OP is talking about.

I really think people that think they are too "good" to work "lower" jobs should get a cut on SW. In this regard I really thing the Budget cut in the wrong places. No one can tell me that people can't live for, let's say, 120€ a month if I usually use about 100€ a week(that INCLUDES fuel to get to work, which is 50km from home) without receiving I-don't-know-what other benefits. Also, that money feeds 2 (TWO) people atm.

When I came to Ireland my only qualifications were a leaving-cert equivalent from my country and 2 years of part-time work in a supermarket. I did study 2 courses in the 6 years before I moved and didn't finish either but still....I managed to get a job. Now I am not a confident person and I know I was lucky in so far that my job required fluency in my mother tongue and is in the games industry that I am very passionate about but yet, it did work out.

But people with the attitude that it is better to suck the state than work an honest job really disgust me. What gives them the right to live the high life (because they are the ones that know how to milk every cent and benefit) while others work to finance their livestyle? We do need stricter regulations to see who is in actual need of receiving SW because they have no other choice. People need to prep up, the "good times" are over at the moment (and might never come back to such an extend).

So cut the benefits for those that don't want to work and give it to those that are in actual need. There is work out there for many (even if not all). Don't complain the "foreigners are stealing your jobs" if you would never do the job the foreigner you complain about is doing.

Funnily enough all the cleaning personal in my company is Polish....I wonder why....:rolleyes:

theg81der · 24-12-2011 9:59am

Jim2007 wrote: »

In stead of looking for a job, why not try and offer a service? Accountants are expensive and there are lots of small businesses looking for ways to reduce the accountants fees... Of course you can't sign off on an audit, but here is nothing stopping you doing payroll, VAT returns, accounts to trial balance, Companies office returns, you can even do full accounts for companies with an audit exemption...

If you can show people that you'll add value by reducing their account fees, they'll talk to you. But it will mean a lot of cold calling..

I can`t do these things yet that what the training contract is for. You learn the theory in college you wouldn`t be anywhere near where you need to be to be able to do these things. We didn`t even have computerised accounts or payroll - these would be the things I would like to learn now but there is no courses available to me or that I can afford. Theres a big difference in leaning IAS`s and tax theory and doing it. I really need to get some exams under my belt for ACCA and the Irish Tax Institute. We are excemped fromt he basic exams because thats the standard you leave college at.

I have approach accounting firms saying I`ll work for free to get enough experience to do this and they refused!

theg81der · 24-12-2011 10:01am

Braintoxic - your blocked from receiving PM`s so I can`t msg you back.

But its not a secret his industry is renewable energy - wind turbines.

Marcusm · 24-12-2011 10:05am

braintoxic wrote: »

I had a great job and d company folded like many others.my work was construction related.i took a few months off n den knuckled down to finding employment.i was prepared to do anything as long as it gave me an honest wage.i applied dor every job i saw from fast food outlets to public service jobs . I was serious about finding a job .e.this is the way i looked at it . I get x amount on the job seekers allowence.any few euros i earn over that amount is worth working for.i got a job easy enough and need not have stressed so much . Sure i work d odd night and every other weekend but im earning a healthy honest wage.my life is great and im so happy.iv an easy job compared to my previous and my life is stress free .
.what promts this thread is a conversation i had with a guy i know.
He WAS a block layer .i asked him if he had any work lately ( a conversation iv had a lot lately) . He said . No nothing out there I HAVE NOT LAYED A BLOCK IN TWO YEARS..i know ww can all talk anout individual cases but iv spoke to a lot of different people and nothing seems to have changed ..i dont understand?? Im not convinced people are trying and r as deaperate as the government n media lead us to believe. I think the work is out there but we as a nation have big ideas avout who we were..am i alone in this view? Wat do u think?

I have read the first page of comments and while I doubt that you are a perfect human being, I think a lot of people are being harsh. It seems that you were smart enough to recognise that there was little work in what you were trained at and retrained for something whee you can find work. I wonder whether you'd really have worked for a few euro more than the JSA but that's of little relevance.

Not sure how old you are and whether the block layer might be more settled in his life/job but fair fecks to you for getting on in life in a hard environment.

Mrs OBumble · 24-12-2011 2:45pm

krd wrote: »

Honestly, do you smell a troll?

And no back-seat moderation either, please. If you have a problem with a post, use the report button.

Mrs OBumble · 24-12-2011 2:51pm

Jim2007 wrote: »

As someone else said why not... in most other European countries unemployment benefits are limited to a specific period and after that you become what is commonly called a "social case" meaning that to get any further financial assistance you have to show that you have exhausted all other financial resources - savings, sold the BMW, moved to cheaper housing and so on. You still qualify for training courses etc... but no cash!

The same is true here: JSB is for 12 months after that, you are means-tested against the net value ALL your assests. And the "income-equivalent-value" of those assets is rather high: I own a very modest house in another country, with a small mortgage. The rent I get from it (before tax) is roughly the same as the rent I'm paying here, but still it was enough to totally disqualify me from JSA after my JSB eligibility ran out.

Actually, it's harsher here, because to get rent-allowance, you need to be living somewhere cheap from the very start of the claim: if your housing is too nice (and in Galway, practically everywhere is "too nice") then you get not RA at all.

Jim2007 · 24-12-2011 3:42pm

theg81der wrote: »

I can`t do these things yet that what the training contract is for. You learn the theory in college you wouldn`t be anywhere near where you need to be to be able to do these things. We didn`t even have computerised accounts or payroll - these would be the things I would like to learn now but there is no courses available to me or that I can afford. Theres a big difference in leaning IAS`s and tax theory and doing it. I really need to get some exams under my belt for ACCA and the Irish Tax Institute. We are excemped fromt he basic exams because thats the standard you leave college at.

I have approach accounting firms saying I`ll work for free to get enough experience to do this and they refused!

Well first of all bookkeeping is a very practical skill, so if you have a degree in accounting you have enough to do what I'm suggesting, what you need is a bit of confidence and a bit of cheek to get going...

As I see it, you can either sit around in the hope that a training contract might come or get up and do some thing about it. BTW, I'm a chartered accountant myself, so I know a bit about this area.

I've worked in Switzerland on a freelance basis for well over 20 years now and during that time I've never been unemployed and it is mainly because I work hard at networking and tacking down assignments. My German is passable and my French is terrible, but yet I often get assignments over natives, simply because I'm open to what the clients are looking for and push that little bit harder. I know cold calling is not much fun, but in these times it is probably your best bet.

Jim2007 · 24-12-2011 3:47pm

JustMary wrote: »

The same is true here: JSB is for 12 months after that, you are means-tested against the net value ALL your assests. And the "income-equivalent-value" of those assets is rather high: I own a very modest house in another country, with a small mortgage. The rent I get from it (before tax) is roughly the same as the rent I'm paying here, but still it was enough to totally disqualify me from JSA after my JSB eligibility ran out.

Actually, it's harsher here, because to get rent-allowance, you need to be living somewhere cheap from the very start of the claim: if your housing is too nice (and in Galway, practically everywhere is "too nice") then you get not RA at all.

Not the same thing, means tested implies that you are allowed to have some assets and still get state support... here (Switzerland) you got to be at zero and really zero, before you get anything, meaning you have to sell the house etc....

smcgiff · 24-12-2011 4:18pm

Jim2007 wrote: »

BTW, I'm a chartered accountant myself, so I know a bit about this area.

That's probably the problem, what you are suggesting is very basic for you, but would be unchartered (see what I did there!) territory for her.

theg81der,

Registering with a professional body (not technician) is your next step, and start getting more exams.

theg81der · 24-12-2011 5:05pm

Jim2007 wrote: »

Well first of all bookkeeping is a very practical skill, so if you have a degree in accounting you have enough to do what I'm suggesting, what you need is a bit of confidence and a bit of cheek to get going...

As I see it, you can either sit around in the hope that a training contract might come or get up and do some thing about it. BTW, I'm a chartered accountant myself, so I know a bit about this area.

I've worked in Switzerland on a freelance basis for well over 20 years now and during that time I've never been unemployed and it is mainly because I work hard at networking and tacking down assignments. My German is passable and my French is terrible, but yet I often get assignments over natives, simply because I'm open to what the clients are looking for and push that little bit harder. I know cold calling is not much fun, but in these times it is probably your best bet.

Its not a confidence issue I can`t offer a service I`m unable to provide. I`ve never worked with a real accountant. What your taught in college is always very different from reality.

im not convinced

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