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Jimmy Iovine

A Tribe Called Quest Documentary Wins Producer's Guild Award

I haven't gotten around to seeing this. Must give it a spin soon enough though. Sounds good.

Michael Rapaport's flick about the Tribe won big at this year's Producers Guild Awards.

January is winding down, and with the Golden Globes being last week, the entertainment industry is in the full swing of awards season. Now, one of Hip Hop's own took home a major win this weekend when the A Tribe Called Quest documentary Beats, Rhyme and Life: The Travels of A Tribe Called Quest was honored at the Producer's Guild of America Awards.

According to The Wrap, actor Michael Rapaport's documentary about the legendary Native Tongues trio took home the Best Documentary award at the Producer's Guild of America Awards. The awards honor the producers who produce and execute the best film and television programs of the year.

Beats, Rhymes and Life, which was released this past summer, garnered critical acclaim from Hip Hop fans and film critics alike. Although the PGA is the first award the film has yet to receive, reports indicate that the film is on the shortlist for the Academy Awards Best Feature Length Documentary.

Boom_Bap

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

A Tribe Called Quest Documentary Wins Producer's Guild Award

I haven't gotten around to seeing this. Must give it a spin soon enough though. Sounds good.

Its pretty good, but leans in favour of one member over the others. It tries to remain unbias but loses its way.......but well worth watching.

mufcboy1999

about time some more people started going at officer ricky ross and that talentless muppet dj kahled .. long may it continue.

riz is pretty good imo, has a great ear for beats can be decent at times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EyxtMhTjow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCCF3CHHAVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYrum-UGQ4

PrettyBoy

Never heard of him, is he signed to a label?

mufcboy1999

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Never heard of him, is he signed to a label?

dont know for sure man, i know he's managed by sha money XL so he could be signed to his label. i came across a few of his songs on youtube around 3 years ago now and since then his music has really improved and matured a bit, i gave the kiss the ring mixtape a listen a few weeks ago and its pretty good he's got the likes of fab and prodigy on it, a few nice songs on it.

but iv seen him getting promoted on thisis50 there on the main page today showing the diss video, seems to be popular enough around new york, he was hyped up to be the next 50 cent by a lot of people including sha a few years ago, in certain songs especially his older ones he can be very similar in style to 50 there comparisons are to be seen imo, but his sound has matured a lot as i said.

this song is from his earlier stuff, real raw here on this one from 07.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv82C14Hp8I

more recent, you can see the improvement in his music. he has a real good ear for beats too which i like and not a bad mc typical NY flow really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mASU9hLE1Bg

Bobby Baccala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_hKB-v7-k

Now that's dedication, Meth on stage with a broken leg in a wheelchair performing Cream :D:D

Bobby Baccala

R.I.P Don Cornelius, soul train did so much for hip hop in it's early days.
Found dead this morning, shot himself.

Jimmy Iovine

Exile says he's still waiting to work with Jay Electronica. Really hope that this project goes ahead. There's great potential there.

Producer Exile had music lovers in a bit of a frenzy when he briefly mentioned a phone call he had with rapper Jay Electronica in which a possible mixtape was discussed. And during an interview this week with Miss Special, Exile revealed what exactly was said during his conversation with the rapper.

According to Exile while a mixtape with Jay Electronica was discussed it has yet to come to fruition.

“He called me up on my home phone before I had a cellphone,” Exile explained. “We were just chopping it up and he was like he felt he knew me already just from the work that I’ve done with Blu. He was a fan of that and he was like ‘Yo, let’s make a mixtape.’ And I’m like ‘Of course I’m down.’ But such a gifted emcee he’s definitely getting hit up by so many different cats that I’m sure that got lost in the sea of other projects that he’s working on. But yea that’s definitely one of my favorite emcees. And to have the chance to work with him would be a blessing, but I have not had one yet.”

Bobby Baccala

Snoop is after announcing a new album

Long Beach, California emcee/actor/producer Snoop Dogg announced the title of his 12th solo album. The Doggystyle Records founder revealed that Reincarnated will be the release title, and feature a corresponding documentary.

In 2012 the Priority/EMI Records executive and artist released Doggumentary, along with a collaborative soundtrack work with Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania emcee Wiz Khalifa, Mac + Devin Go To High School.

This year will be 19 years of albums for Snoop, who's acclaimed multi-platinum debut Doggystyle released in 1993.

Hopefully it's not a disappointment, it's fair to say he hasn't released anything decent in the past 6-7 years,

conor.hogan.2

Why is Snoop not signed to Aftermath?

Bobby Baccala

He's on his own label, doggy style records, it's part of EMI i think.

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Why is Snoop not signed to Aftermath?

Snoop hasn't been on aftermath for years man. Can't remember why he left tbh I think it was he just wanted a change but I could be wrong there so don't qoute me.

Ye snoop has released bits of good material, I think he lost his consistency tbh, the last album I enjoyed from snoop was rythem and gangsta.

I like snoop when he stays away from all that techno rubbish, lost a lot of respect for him the last few years has turned into a incredibly commercial rapper.

conor.hogan.2

I did not know he was ever on Aftermath, but him having his on label under EMI or whoever makes sense.

I don't see why he did not do it under Aftermath and have everyone on it though they could afford it and would make money of it.

Hugh Cream

snoop was never signed to aftermath.

Bobby Baccala

He's had doggy style goin for years, i think he started it before aftermath even existed I don't think was ever on aftermath either.

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I did not know he was ever on Aftermath, but him having his on label under EMI or whoever makes sense.

I don't see why he did not do it under Aftermath and have everyone on it though they could afford it and would make money of it.

I taught he went to aftermath after death row but done a quick search there and your right he was never on aftermath.

I think EMI have better financial benefits, I think they give There artists all the freedom of an indie artist but also give them major label backing and promotion!

I know Lloyd banks last year turned down a move back to interscope and a move to def jam to sign with EMI, also g unit records inked a deal with them but g unit the group remains on interscope ( jimmys a smart man lol)

Chances are if snoop would of signed to aftermath he wouldn't of released as much material as he has done over the years, so in all it's probably a good thing he didn't sign with dre on aftermath.

Boom_Bap

I think he went from Death Row to No Limit to someone else, then got DoggyStyle as a label. I dont think the someone else was AfterMath......or did he buy himself out of the No Limit contract?

Hugh Cream

death row >> no limit >>

after that im not sure, i know he was on pharell's label at some point as well, not sure if aftermath was a working label when snoop left death row.

Bobby Baccala

After some quick googling extensive research i found out he has done some work with geffen records so thats probably the other label he was on

mufcboy1999

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

After some quick googling extensive research i found out he has done some work with geffen records so thats probably the other label he was on

Ye Geffen is under interscope too so technically he was on interscope again after death row.

conor.hogan.2

Well technically Interscope is under Universal (?) so . He is on EMI, interesting.

It all comes down to 4 of them, no matter how many little sub-labels you have.


He must have had his reasons to not go with Aftermath anyway, but good point Aftermath has had a long history of releasing very very low amounts of music.

It must be the EMI thing because if they gave g-unit a label they would have given snoop a label.

PrettyBoy

Snoop was never on Aftermath, I know people think because he has a good relationship with Dre that he could/should have signed with him but I doubt Dre ever asked him/gave him the opportunity.

conor.hogan.2

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Snoop was never on Aftermath, I know people think because he has a good relationship with Dre that he could/should have signed with him but I doubt Dre ever asked him/gave him the opportunity.

Why would Dre not have asked him?

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Well technically Interscope is under Universal (?) so . He is on EMI, interesting.

It all comes down to 4 of them, no matter how many little sub-labels you have.


He must have had his reasons to not go with Aftermath anyway, but good point Aftermath has had a long history of releasing very very low amounts of music.

It must be the EMI thing because if they gave g-unit a label they would have given snoop a label.

Ye aftermath is a label dominated by eminem and 50 , as far as I can remember the game was the last artist outside of those 2 to release an album on aftermath. (open to correction on that one)

That's just dre he seems very hesitant in recent years to actually release new artists through his label, the last chance he took that actually saw the light of day was the game in a joint venture with 50. (again don't qoute me but I think I'm right)

His current artist slim da mobster is good enough but he isn't anything ground breaking, I think he is an artist waiting to be dropped tbh don't think his album will see the light of day on aftermath but you never know.

I think def jam are the most active hip hop label, they always have a decent roster no matter what, they have a huge hip hop release annually while interscope/aftermath in recent years seem to be every 2 or 3 years with really only em and 50.

PrettyBoy

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Why would Dre not have asked him?

Let's say he did, why would Snoop have said no?

PrettyBoy

as far as I can remember the game was the last artist outside of those 2 to release an album on aftermath. (open to correction on that one)

Game in 2005, Busta's in 2006 and since then there's been 2 Eminem albums and 2 50 albums.

His current artist slim da mobster is good enough but he isn't anything ground breaking, I think he is an artist waiting to be dropped tbh don't think his album will see the light of day on aftermath but you never know.

He will never release a major label album.

mufcboy1999

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Snoop was never on Aftermath, I know people think because he has a good relationship with Dre that he could/should have signed with him but I doubt Dre ever asked him/gave him the opportunity.

I say the opurtunity came up alright for snoop, he was dre's first real flagship artist and arguably his most important.

the whole death row thing/murder trial could of had a huge influence in snoops descion, but I think dre defeintly would of tried to sign snoop.

PrettyBoy

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I say the opurtunity came up alright for snoop, he was dre's first real flagship artist and arguably his most important ... I think dre defeintly would of tried to sign snoop.

Doubt it, if anything I'd say Dre wanted a fresh start after he left Death Row, not to sign their artists once their contracts were up. Why would Snoop join No Limit instead of going with Dre?

Dre is very particular about how he works and who he works with. That's not to say that he had any issue with Snoop or he didn't want to work with him, he more than likely felt like he wouldn't be able to give Snoop the time he deserves or was more interested in working with new artists on their debut albums (Em, 50, Game) as opposed to established ones.

Think about it, Snoop would do anything for Dre, he has all the time in the world for him. If Dre turned around and said "Forget about No Limit/Geffen/EMI and sign with me" ...why would Snoop say no?

Bobby Baccala

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Doubt it, if anything I'd say Dre wanted a fresh start after he left Death Row, not to sign their artists once their contracts were up. Why would Snoop join No Limit instead of going with Dre?

Dre is very particular about how he works and who he works with. That's not to say that he had any issue with Snoop or he didn't want to work with him, he more than likely felt like he wouldn't be able to give Snoop the time he deserves or was more interested in working with new artists on their debut albums (Em, 50, Game) as opposed to established ones.

Think about it, Snoop would do anything for Dre, he has all the time in the world for him. If Dre turned around and said "Forget about No Limit/Geffen/EMI and sign with me" ...why would Snoop say no?

Maybe he wants to be independent on his own label so he can release what he wants when he wants, like cube, he could be on any major label out there but he stays on his own for the same reasons.

PrettyBoy

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Maybe he wants to be independent on his own label so he can release what he wants when he wants, like cube, he could be on any major label out there but he stays on his own for the same reasons.

Snoop isn't independent though, Doggystyle Records has been around since the Death Row days but he's always been with a major label, currently with EMI (Priority Records).

Bobby Baccala

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Snoop isn't independent though, Doggystyle Records has been around since the Death Row days but he's always been with a major label, currently with EMI (Priority Records).

No i think he is independent, Doggystyle became independent in the late 90s and snoops music is distributed by EMI but released under Doggystyle.

Hugh Cream

I think dre and snoop had issues in the wake of dre leaving aftermath.
Also, I'm not sure how it works, whether interscope provide aftermath with money to sign artists or dre had to cough up the money himself.
If the money was coming out of dres pocket I doubt he would have been able to afford what it would have taken to get snoop on board, or more to the point, willing to pay it.

Or like prettyboy said, he just wanted a fresh start.
Also worth remembering, the doggfather was a huge dissapointment, in a short time his reputation took a hit.

conor.hogan.2

I can't imagine Dre not offering to sign Snoop, and even giving him a potential under-label.

True Aftermath is always very selective with releases. Busta and Rakim have left because of this.

I think it all stems down to Dre, he can only work on so much at one time sure even 50 threatened leaving if Dre continued to produce so much for Game instead of him.

mufcboy1999

Think about it, Snoop would do anything for Dre, he has all the time in the world for him. If Dre turned around and said "Forget about No Limit/Geffen/EMI and sign with me" ...why would Snoop say no?

creative differences etc maybe a more free role was offered somewhere else the fact is we will never know unless it comes straight from the horses mouth.

Doubt it, if anything I'd say Dre wanted a fresh start after he left Death Row, not to sign their artists once their contracts were up. Why would Snoop join No Limit instead of going with Dre?

i remember reading in an interview with snoop years ago that in fact it was snoop who wanted a fresh start after all the negativity that surrounded him in his early career with charges/death row troubles etc.

Dre is very particular about how he works and who he works with. That's not to say that he had any issue with Snoop or he didn't want to work with him, he more than likely felt like he wouldn't be able to give Snoop the time he deserves or was more interested in working with new artists on their debut albums (Em, 50, Game) as opposed to established ones.

we know what dre is like but the point is aftermath was dormant until 98 when eminem was introduced, fair enough dre had an effort with the firm but they were never hugely successful hence the one album.

aftermath could of done with snoop in 96 who was arguably in his prime, would of been a great flagship artist when aftermath launched so in my eyes i think their defiantly was a possible approach by dre to sign snoop it makes as much sense as your point.

like i said though we will never know why snoop never ended up on the math unless we hear it from him or dre.

Hugh Cream

http://rapradar.com/2012/02/04/snoop-dogg-announces-next-album/

mufcboy1999

Also worth remembering, the doggfather was a huge dissapointment, in a short time his reputation took a hit.

well thats wrong unless its your personal opinion, if not it debuted number 1 on the billboards so it cant be labelled a disappointment.

it was always going to have a hard time living up to doggystyle, but it wasn't a disappointment by any means im pretty sure its several times platinum so a lot of people would agree.

the only thing i didnt like about the album is it pretty much steered away from that g funk sound but it was still hugely successful and a decent album just not on the same level as doggystyle which is understandable as thats a straight classic.

conor.hogan.2

I could be wrong but Dre did not work with snoop in 97 or 98 until after Eminem dropped, which was probably got to do with him leaving death row and the 2pac "beef".

Snoop by then had been on his own and after Death Row probably did not want to work with a label where he was close to the owner like Death Row.

Equally Dre might not have wanted to have Snoop be signed to him because that usually never ends well.

"Everybody wanna know how close me and Snoop is. And who I'm still cool with" - it must have been a falling out because they did not work together for 2 years and then work very close on 2001.

Hugh Cream

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

well thats wrong unless its your personal opinion, if not it debuted number 1 on the billboards so it cant be labelled a disappointment.

it was always going to have a hard time living up to doggystyle, but it wasn't a disappointment by any means im pretty sure its several times platinum so a lot of people would agree.

the only thing i didnt like about the album is it pretty much steered away from that g funk sound but it was still hugely successful and a decent album just not on the same level as doggystyle which is understandable as thats a straight classic.

i was a seriously huge snoop fan at the time, i bought the magazines, i watched the tv shows, i knew what was going on.
as good as wikipedia is, being there at the time and having the insight to know what im talking about is a more reliable source of information.
trust me, people were disappointed.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I could be wrong but Dre did not work with snoop in 97 or 98 until after Eminem dropped, which was probably got to do with him leaving death row and the 2pac "beef".

Snoop by then had been on his own and after Death Row probably did not want to work with a label where he was close to the owner like Death Row.

Equally Dre might not have wanted to have Snoop be signed to him because that usually never ends well.

as i said above, im nearly sure there was issues between the two for a few years.

mufcboy1999

Hugh Cream wrote: »

i was a seriously huge snoop fan at the time, i bought the magazines, i watched the tv shows, i knew what was going on.
as good as wikipedia is, being there at the time and having the insight to know what im talking about is a more reliable source of information.
trust me, people were disappointed.

no need to get smart because your wrong, your not the only snoop fan here belive it or not hugh lol :rolleyes:.

people were disappointed with it because it was the follow up to a debut that was a classic and a completely different sound for snoop aswell as falling victim to a classic the same with nas the same with 50,game,biggie etc

i guarantee you if you visit some of those videos on youtube now people will be calling them good, like em said on becareful what you wish for...

Every CD, critics gave it a 3, then 3
Years later, they'd go back and re-rate it
And call the Slim Shady LP the greatest
The Marshall Mathers was a classic
The Eminem Show was fantastic
But Encore just didn't have the caliber to match it
I guess enough time just ain't passed, yet
A couple more years, that ****'ll be ill-matic
And eight years later, I'm still at it

wiki that kid.

conor.hogan.2

You could give it 100 years, relapse and recovery will never be classics.

But how an album was received when it came out is mostly irrelevant.

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You could give it 100 years, relapse and recovery will never be classics.

i agree with relapse but recovery was an album that introduced eminem to a whole new hip hop audience, album had progression written all over it something a lot of our other favorite commercial rappers are not capable of imo.

i honestly cant see why recovery catches so much slack amongst some people, what did you expect in all honestly?

it was never going to be a mmlp etc, we had em trying similar content on relapse sober as a judge and look how that turned out...

conor.hogan.2

I did not expect it to be like any of his past great albums, I expected it to not be as bad as it was.

It had some good songs but all in all it was not worth the money.

True recovery was better than relapse because it had none of that stupid style and trying to rap like he did when he was younger and out of it but still it was a fairly poor album.

But if they were consolidated into one album it would have been a great album, so I suppose I should not be complaining.

Boom_Bap

I recall that there was some beef between Snoop and Dre when Snoop left Death Row. Snoop was annoyed because Dre was running with Pac and he was feeling left out I guess. But SNoop also wanted to have a bit of independance and wanted to prove that he didnt need Dre.

In relation to the reception of Tha Doggfather album, I remember that there was huge disappointment around it and reviewers were kinda forcing themselves to find redeeming qualities on the album.

Hugh Cream

the doggfather was a disappointment, i know, i was there.
its hilarious how many of you have selective memory, you will shyt all over something you dont like, drake for instance, wayne for instance, you will say they are horrible artists, you will pizz all over their numbers as meaning nothing.

yet when you want to prove me wrong, numbers become important.
you dont realize his numbers were gonna be good because of doggystyle, he had a fan base willing to buy his music.
doesnt mean we wernt disappointed with the album.

we really were disappointed, dont believe wikipedia.

Bobby Baccala

Personally i didn't like the doggfather, i had heard doggystyle first and then had high expectations and of course i was let down, the only snoop album i would regard as classic is doggystyle, the rest are mediocre.

conor.hogan.2

The album is hailed as a classic now, much like illmatic it took years to be appreciated.

PrettyBoy

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I recall that there was some beef between Snoop and Dre when Snoop left Death Row. Snoop was annoyed because Dre was running with Pac and he was feeling left out I guess. But SNoop also wanted to have a bit of independance and wanted to prove that he didnt need Dre.

Really? I read an article a while back on the making of All Eyez On Me. Tommy Daugherty (a mixer/engineer working with Death Row at the time) said that Dre more or less wanted nothing to do with the label after Pac joined.

Here's an excerpt where he talks about California Love and the relationship between Pac and Dre. This is just one guys story, interesting to hear but I wouldn't take it as fact. I'm sure if we heard the story from Dre, Snoop or Suge they would all tell it completely differently.

**** it, I can say it: Dre really didn't want nothing to do with that record. He didn't like it at all that 2pac came to Death Row, which I thought was kind of interesting, 'cause I remember he said, "That's it, I'm done with Death Row now that 2pac is here." I was like, "What the ****!?" I mean, if you look at that album, he didn't do **** on "All Eyez On Me" except for "California Love," which basically was, ughhh, that was going to be his single for Aftermath, right? And Suge heard that **** and said, "**** it," and rushed up to Dre's house and made him put 2pac on there. So basically he lost his first single for Aftermath, and it ended up being the first single for 2pac. Because the original version of that is three verses with dre rapping on it. The only person who's got that original version is DJ Jam, Snoop's DJ. So basically Suge was like, "**** it, we're putting 2pac on that ****, and this is going to be the single off the record..." that **** was dope. Suge ain't no dummy.

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I did not expect it to be like any of his past great albums, I expected it to not be as bad as it was.

It had some good songs but all in all it was not worth the money.

True recovery was better than relapse because it had none of that stupid style and trying to rap like he did when he was younger and out of it but still it was a fairly poor album.

But if they were consolidated into one album it would have been a great album, so I suppose I should not be complaining.

suppose its just opinion, i taught recovery was pretty class but on the other hand relapse was terrible everything from dre's production to ems rapping just a really average to bad album.

the doggfather was a disappointment, i know, i was there.
its hilarious how many of you have selective memory, you will shyt all over something you dont like, drake for instance, wayne for instance, you will say they are horrible artists, you will pizz all over their numbers as meaning nothing.

yet when you want to prove me wrong, numbers become important.
you dont realize his numbers were gonna be good because of doggystyle, he had a fan base willing to buy his music.
doesnt mean we wernt disappointed with the album.

we really were disappointed, dont believe wikipedia.

i know the reviews hugh, i know what people taught of it at the time, but you called the massacare a classic when a lot of people would say exactly what your saying about doggfather about the massacare.

a bit of selective memory from yourself their hugh.

the album wasnt that bad imo, deal with it man you wernt the only one on boards "there" when the album was released either :rolleyes:

how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

all this "we" talk lol, why do you think i asked if it was a personal opinion that you felt it was a disappointment? this "we" talk don't be so stupid you don't talk for every snoop fan hugh belive it or not, iv no problem listing to most of that album.

PrettyBoy

"Your second albums 'Doggfather', I ain't gotta say more" - Bishop Lamont


EDIT: I don't really like this line, I just thought it was relevant to the discussion. FWIW I like a few tracks off Doggfather and still listen to the album every once in a while. Not as good as Doggystyle (obviously) but definitely not his worst album.