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conor.hogan.2

PrettyBoy wrote: »

"Your second albums 'Doggfather', I ain't gotta say more" - Bishop Lamont

I lost a little respect for Lamont after hearing that. Its a hot song though. Is that what got him dropped from Aftermath?

You don't diss Snoop and Game if you are on Aftermath.

Bobby Baccala

Well here's snoops view on the Doggfather which is more important than anybody elses.

My second album a lotta people had negative things to say about The Doggfather. "It ain't hard", "It was tight", it wasn't this, it wasn't that. It only sold 2 million copies in America. It didn't do what we thought it was gonna do, it wasn't what we expected. At the time I was goin through a lot and that's the way I felt. The 2 million people that bought it, I love you and appreciate you. For all you 6 million mutha****as that's on my dick again, now you love me again--**** y'all cause y'all wasn't real when the **** was tough.

mufcboy1999

PrettyBoy wrote: »

"Your second albums 'Doggfather', I ain't gotta say more" - Bishop Lamont

whats that suppose to mean in all fairness? like i said to hugh you cant categorize fans into we's...

agree with conor too about that line from bishop.

no one is saying it was a classic album here by any means, its not that hard to belive that some people might have enjoyed the album though.

Hugh Cream

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

i know the reviews hugh, i know what people taught of it at the time, but you called the massacare a classic when a lot of people would say exactly what your saying about doggfather about the massacare.

a bit of selective memory from yourself their hugh.

the album wasnt that bad imo, deal with it man you wernt the only one on boards "there" when the album was released either :rolleyes:

how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

all this "we" talk lol, why do you think i asked if it was a personal opinion that you felt it was a disappointment? this "we" talk don't be so stupid you don't talk for every snoop fan hugh belive it or not, iv no problem listing to most of that album.

im older than you, thats all you need to know, im talking from first hand experience, you are not.
i know it was a disappointment.

forget mentioning every post ive made in the past, stop comparing what im saying ow to what ive said previously, thats twice in two days now youve done that.
if your best argument is my post history you dont know what your taking about.

instead of making stupid claims about opinion and rehashing my post history give me first hand facts.

conor.hogan.2

If we all had to speak just on personal experience, we would not be speaking much would we?

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

The album is hailed as a classic now, much like illmatic it took years to be appreciated.

which album?

PrettyBoy

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I lost a little respect for Lamont after hearing that. Its a hot song though. Is that what got him dropped from Aftermath?

You don't diss Snoop and Game if you are on Aftermath.

Not sure why he was dropped but it did happen shortly after the beef with Game. TBH I think Dre just sat him down one day and said the two of them weren't going anywhere, Dre wanted to work on Detox and Relapse, Bishop wasn't a priority.

conor.hogan.2

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Not sure why he was dropped but it did happen shortly after the beef with Game. TBH I think Dre just sat him down one day and said the two of them weren't going anywhere, Dre wanted to work on Detox and Relapse, Bishop wasn't a priority.

Makes sense.

But Bishop, Rakim and Busta were not a priority either. Aftermath is very picky, but somehow managed to let out just loose it and recovery.

Plus Detox is not even out, and he always said Lamont would be a big part of it.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

which album?

The Doggfather.

PrettyBoy

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

whats that suppose to mean in all fairness? like i said to hugh you cant categorize fans into we's...

agree with conor too about that line from bishop.

no one is saying it was a classic album here by any means, its not that hard to belive that some people might have enjoyed the album though.

Just edited my post, I don't agree with what Bishop said but thought it was relevant to the discussion we're having.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

The Doggfather.

come again, its considered a classic?

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

come again, its considered a classic?

not even snoop himself considered it a classic hugh, but you seem to be very ignorant lately and you don't reply to a single one of my posts so i'm probably wasting my time with you.

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

come again, its considered a classic?

No, like Illmatic it was not very well received but later went on to be well liked by most people.

Not a classic, but he had just beaten jail was stuck on death row and had no access to Dre, but later sold well still. It did not do bad when it came out either, just not as big as Doggystyle but very few artists match their earlier releases anyway.

PrettyBoy

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

But Bishop, Rakim and Busta were not a priority either. Aftermath is very picky, but somehow managed to let out just loose it and recovery.

Plus Detox is not even out, and he always said Lamont would be a big part of it

That's the essence of Aftermath! Eminem is the only priority on Aftermath - look at Crack A Bottle, We Made You, Just Lose It - Eminem could literally hand Jimmy a burned CD with him covering Mariah Careys greatest hits and it would be in stores a month later. It doesn't matter what it sounds like, if it's Eminem it's going to sell regardless.

Bishop, Slim, Kendrick - all of these have been a big part of Detox at some point. Detox will never come out though so this is irrelevant, Dre just uses it as an excuse from time to time.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

No, like Illmatic it was not very well received but later went on to be well liked by most people.

Not a classic, but he had just beaten jail was stuck on death row and had no access to Dre, but later sold well still. It did not do bad when it came out either, just not as big as Doggystyle but very few artists match their earlier releases anyway.

i completely agree, there was many factors why it ended up being disappointing, what youve said, and dre not having the same input being another reason.
but the fact remains, and very much to my own disappointment, the album was under whelming.

not just for me, for a lot of snoop fans, thats a fact most people could tell you.

conor.hogan.2

It had decent sales and only became more liked over time. I would not call that a failure or disappointing.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

It had decent sales and only became more liked over time. I would not call that a failure or disappointing.

without sounding like a dikk, you wernt there mate, it was always gonna have big sales regardless, this was in a time before the internet, people had to buy music before finding out how it sounded.
and the success of doggystyle/deathrow was a huge factor.
as for it being more liked, by who, where is this coming from?

like i said mate, hope i didnt come off as a dikk but im only saying what im saying because you told me your age, you are talking in hind sight, i am talking from experience.

mufcboy1999

im older than you, thats all you need to know, im talking from first hand experience, you are not.
i know it was a disappointment.

and you know this because i mentioned my age on another thread right? im 24 but the point is you cant just say to someone they don't know what their talking about just because they don't share the "we" or the majoritys opinion, especially when i have the actual album aswell as a few more of snoops albums.

who are you to actually say that? it doesn't matter when or where i listened to it or the fact i was 6 or 7 when it was released because im not claiming to have listened to it then because the fact is i have listened all of snoops albums.

but that is totally irrelevant to the point, so stop talking this first hand nonsense especially when your hiding your age, because one could also accuse you as the one who took a trip down wiki lane.

forget mentioning every post ive made in the past, stop comparing what im saying ow to what ive said previously, thats twice in two days now youve done that.
if your best argument is my post history you dont know what your taking about.

thats because a lot of the time you try to be a smart arse with your posts in other words acting the comedian or posting to seek a reaction in other words the times you have been labelled a troll isn't too hard to believe.

my best argument is the fact, i asked you if it was a personal opinion if you felt it was a disappointment? you then went on to categorize every snoop fan into one ball then taking it upon yourself to speak for us all...

hugh you really need to understand that not all hip hop fans have the same opinions, if we did it would be a very boring genre...

conor.hogan.2

1996 was a time before the internet? No, No it was not. Also especially in America the internet was well established as was the web.

I am talking from extreme hindsight, but that does not matter as the figures show it sold well just not as well as his debut and people rarely do as well as their debut especially when they loose Dre, are stuck on a label, have a posthumous 2pac release the same time and have just won a trial.

Hugh Cream

like i said in that other thread, aint reading it, aint doing the paragraph by paragraph tit for tat.
good luck to ye.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

1996 was a time before the internet? No, No it was not. Also especially in America the internet was well established as was the web.

people were not downloading like today, please dont tell they were, please do not try and argue that people could have easily gotten hold of the doggfather before its release, please do not tell me people were not hearing the doggfather for the first time the day they bought it.
please please please dont fall into that trap just to get one over on me.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

like i said in that other thread, aint reading it, aint doing the paragraph by paragraph tit for tat.
good luck to ye.

only because you're afraid of losing an argument and you can't accept defeat, you're hiding you're age, why don't you admit how old you are?

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

1996 was a time before the internet? No, No it was not. Also especially in America the internet was well established as was the web.

I am talking from extreme hindsight, but that does not matter as the figures show it sold well just not as well as his debut and people rarely do as well as their debut especially when they loose Dre, are stuck on a label, have a posthumous 2pac release the same time and have just won a trial.

drake sells well, wayne sells well, you say they are trash, again, selective memory.
it sold well because he had a huge fan base, people were none the less disappointed.

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

people were not downloading like today, please dont tell they were, please do not try and argue that people could have easily gotten hold of the doggfather before its release, please do not tell me people were not hearing the doggfather for the first time the day they bought it.
please please please dont fall into that trap just to get one over on me.

Better albums have sold less way before this album and way after this album.

Also copying tapes or recording off the radio was very common.

The album did worse than his debut, this happens often not just in hip-hop and not just in music.

mufcboy1999

Hugh Cream wrote: »

like i said in that other thread, aint reading it, aint doing the paragraph by paragraph tit for tat.
good luck to ye.

i don't think you deserve a conversation with any poster here tbh hugh, a great way to prove your wrong aswell as how old you are, real mature.

come back to me when you grow up.

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

drake sells well, wayne sells well, you say they are trash, again, selective memory.
it sold well because he had a huge fan base, people were none the less disappointed.

IMO they are trash compared to how much they sell. That is not selective, thats an opinion.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Better albums have sold less way before this album and way after this album.

Also copying tapes or recording off the radio was very common.

The album did worse than his debut, this happens often not just in hip-hop and not just in music.

people copied albums off the radio?

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

people copied albums off the radio?

Have you never recorded to a tape off the radio? Also have you never copied a tape?

mufcboy1999

Also copying tapes or recording off the radio was very common (hell I even did it)

ye i remember that lol (flashback) had the mmlp on tape the first time i listened to it, me and a mate went into the shops, i bought 2001 by dre and he bought the MMLP by em so we recorded them both on tapes for each other.

good times .

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

IMO they are trash compared to how much they sell. That is not selective, thats an opinion.

no its selective, its you forgetting what you say, its common opinion/consensus that the doggfather was disappointing.

has nothing to do with the sales, its to do with the material.

conor.hogan.2

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

ye i remember that lol (flashback) had the mmlp on tape the first time i listened to it, me and a mate went into the shops, i bought 2001 by dre and he bought the MMLP by em so we recorded them both on tapes for each other.

good times .

Haha, I won't say what type of songs I was recorded around that time lets just say they were not even close to hip-hop although my brother did have the chronic, 2001 and ems albums on CD.

Hugh Cream

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

ye i remember that lol (flashback) had the mmlp on tape the first time i listened to it, me and a mate went into the shops, i bought 2001 by dre and he bought the MMLP by em so we recorded them both on tapes for each other.

good times .

i dont believe that, no one was buying tapes back then, cd's all the way, your lying, shame on you.

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

i dont believe that, no one was buying tapes back then, cd's all the way, your lying, shame on you.

well thats bullshít because my aunty had the first 3 eminem albums on tape and my da was still buyin the police and u2 tapes so you're talkin out your arsé

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

i dont believe that, no one was buying tapes back then, cd's all the way, your lying, shame on you.

La di da, Mr rich man buying blank CD's in the 90's I suppose you also had a DVD player before the ps2?

mufcboy1999

anyone find it hard to believe that hugh who claims to be at least in his late 20s because he's older than me (24) has such a liking for todays more teeny bopper hip hop with drake and lil wayne etc...

i know people around my age mid 20s like drake etc , but im struggling to find any hip hop heads in there late 20s/30s who bang young mula baby...

stop lying hugh, the same man never head of a tape recordings

Hugh Cream

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

anyone find it hard to believe that hugh who claims to be at least in his late 20s because he's older than me (24) has such a liking for todays more teeny bopper hip hop with drake and lil wayne etc...

i know people around my age mid 20s like drake etc , but im struggling to find any hip hop heads in there late 20s/30s who bang young mula baby...

stop lying hugh, the same man never head of a tape recordings

stop mate, you dont know any hip hop heads, youve never been to a concert, you wernt buying dr dre's 2001 when you were 13, you wouldnt have been served.
stop lying, and just accept im right, its not a competition, im not trying to get one over on you.
and btw, i get it, your music tastes are broadening, dont be the sort of dikk who looks down his nose just because hes discovered multi's , metaphors and realism.:rolleyes:

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

stop mate, you dont know any hip hop heads, youve never been to a concert, you wernt buying dr dre's 2001 when you were 13, you wouldnt have been served.
stop lying, and just accept im right, its not a competition, im not trying to get one over on you.
and btw, i get it, your music tastes are broadening, dont be the sort of dikk who looks down his nose just because hes discovered multi's , metaphors and realism.:rolleyes:

There's something deeply wrong with you if you believe what you're saying, seriously.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Have you never recorded to a tape off the radio? Also have you never copied a tape?

im not sure what you mean, do you mean buy a tape and copy on to a blank tape?

conor.hogan.2

You would have been served 2001 at 13, sure I bought GTA3 when I was 11 with no problems. Stop talking nonsense.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

im not sure what you mean, do you mean buy a tape and copy on to a blank tape?

Seriously, either you are very very rich or just were not paying attention during the 80's and 90's.
You used blank tapes to records songs off the radio or for copying a cd or another tape.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I could have bought 2001 when I was 13 (I did not though) sure I bought GTA3 when I was 11 with no problems.

Stop talking nonsense.

you would not have gotten 2001 in hmv when you were 13.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Seriously, either you are very very rich or just were not paying attention during the 80's and 90's.
You used blank tapes to records songs off the radio or for copying a cd or another tape.

oh ye people taped songs off the radio, but you said they taped albums off the radio, that didnt happen.

mufcboy1999

Hugh Cream wrote: »

stop mate, you dont know any hip hop heads, youve never been to a concert, you wernt buying dr dre's 2001 when you were 13, you wouldnt have been served.
stop lying, and just accept im right, its not a competition, im not trying to get one over on you.
and btw, i get it, your music tastes are broadening, dont be the sort of dikk who looks down his nose just because hes discovered multi's , metaphors and realism.:rolleyes:

oops too many words, cant reply tit for tat and all that:D

il let the jigga man do the talking. rip hugh cream cause of death ethered himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8dv-lM4ho

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

you would not have gotten 2001 in hmv when you were 13.

I got served GTA3 in HMV when I was 11. I got served Encore when I was 14.

Hugh Cream wrote: »

they taped albums off the radio, that didnt happen.

I have imaginary tapes still in my house then.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I got served GTA3 in HMV when I was 11. I got served the Encore when I was 14.

i said 2001.

baddebt

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

anyone find it hard to believe that hugh who claims to be at least in his late 20s because he's older than me (24) has such a liking for todays more teeny bopper hip hop with drake and lil wayne etc...

i know people around my age mid 20s like drake etc , but im struggling to find any hip hop heads in there late 20s/30s who bang young mula baby...

stop lying hugh, the same man never head of a tape recordings

back in the day I use to record the Mark Tandorii (spelling) on BBC radio one , then mark was shipped on and in came westwood , his show use to be the **** ,
ah those where the days ..........i reckon my mum still has plenty of my tape recordings in her attic

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

i said 2001.

GTA3 was much worse than 2001.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I have imaginary tapes still in my house then.

you were taping albums off the radio in the 80's and 90's?

Bobby Baccala

Hugh Cream wrote: »

i said 2001.

gta 3 came out in 01......
Your ridiculous argument is going nowhere.

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

you were taping albums off the radio in the 80's and 90's?

I was not around in the 80's but I have tapes of albums in my house mostly from my siblings doing it. I was more a cd person then an mp3 person (legally or borrowing).

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

GTA3 was much worse than 2001.

you would not have been served 2001 at the age of 13 back in 1999, lets stick with what were talking about, in the era were talking about.

Hugh Cream

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

I was not around in the 80's but I have tapes of albums in my house mostly from my siblings doing it. I was more a cd person then an mp3 person (legally or borrowing).

lol holy shyt, give it a rest, they were your siblings tapes.
im not denying people tped songs off the radio, im denying they taped albums.
people copied one tape to a blank tape.