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  • #362
    ColeTrain
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or you're trolling. I'd guess the latter.

    I'd say the former.


  • #363
    ColeTrain
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Exactly my point. Yet a few posts above this one KeithAFC was going on about how republicans don't do irony because they support a team located in Britain. Yet he lives in Ireland and calls himself British.

    :D


  • #364
    KeithAFC
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Exactly my point. Yet a few posts above this one KeithAFC was going on about how republicans don't do irony because they support a team located in Britain. Yet he lives in Ireland and calls himself British.
    Key point. Celtic FC are a club which play in the United Kingdom. They are a British club in a British league. Shamrock Rovers (an example) are an Irish club playing in the Republic Of Ireland.


  • #365
    Nodin
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Key point. Celtic FC are a club which play in the United Kingdom. They are a British club in a British league. Shamrock Rovers (an example) are an Irish club playing in the Republic Of Ireland.


    ...which makes you an Irishman on the Island of Ireland. Well done Keith, welcome home.


  • #366
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Key point. Celtic FC are a club which play in the United Kingdom. They are a British club in a British league.

    None of which means Irish republicans can't support them.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Shamrock Rovers (an example) are an Irish club playing in the Republic Of Ireland.

    Well done.


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  • #367
    KeithAFC
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...which makes you an Irishman on the Island of Ireland. Well done Keith, welcome home.
    I think the topic should perhaps get back on topic. But sticking to the little recent discussion, I think it is fair to say Celtic FC are a British club. They are a club from the United Kingdom. Lets not deflect the topic to be about Ulster politics.


  • #368
    ColeTrain
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Key point. Celtic FC are a club which play in the United Kingdom. They are a British club in a British league. Shamrock Rovers (an example) are an Irish club playing in the Republic Of Ireland.

    You're an Irish man posting that message from the island of Ireland.

    You support Rangers. Last time I checked they weren't Irish either.


  • #369
    KeithAFC
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    None of which means Irish republicans can't support them.



    Well done.
    Of course. They can support who they want. Just like a guy in Asia can support Man Utd. But I think the problem a lot of LOI fans and Irish people in the Republic in general have with Republican Celtic fans is the anti British agenda they have and yet support a club which is at the end of the day a British club.


  • #370
    KeithAFC
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    ColeTrain wrote: »
    You're an Irish man posting that message from the island of Ireland.

    You support Rangers. Last time I checked they weren't Irish either.
    Like I said, I don't think we should go down that route on this thread which is about Republican rebel songs. I live in the United Kingdom. Lets just leave it at that.


  • #371
    ColeTrain
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Of course. They can support who they want. Just like a guy in Asia can support Man Utd. But I think the problem a lot of LOI fans and Irish people in the Republic in general have with Republican Celtic fans is the anti British agenda they have and yet support a club which is at the end of the day a British club.

    LOI fans can think what they want. The nearest club to me is Galway united, look how well they are run. Maybe if I had a club to support things might have been different but that's neither here nor there.

    You're also stereotyping every Celtic fan as anti-British which is nonsense.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Like I said, I don't think we should go down that route on this thread which is about Republican rebel songs. I live in the United Kingdom. Lets just leave it at that.

    Right you are because informing everyone on here that Celtic fans don't do irony is on topic.


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  • #372
    KeithAFC
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    ColeTrain wrote: »
    LOI fans can think what they want. The nearest club to me is Galway united, look how well they are run. Maybe if I had a club to support things might have been different but that's neither here nor there.

    You're also stereotyping every Celtic fan as anti-British which is nonsense.



    Right you are because informing everyone on here that Celtic fans don't do irony is on topic.
    No. I did say Republican Celtic fans. I don't believe every Celtic fan is a Republican. Many aren't. That is what my short irony post was about. That Celtic is a British club.


  • #373
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Of course. They can support who they want. Just like a guy in Asia can support Man Utd. But I think the problem a lot of LOI fans and Irish people in the Republic in general have with Republican Celtic fans is the anti British agenda they have and yet support a club which is at the end of the day a British club.

    Why can't you see that republicanism isn't about hating anything British or anything located in Britain? It is to do with anti-British imperialism. This makes it possible to reconcile republicanism with supporting Celtic. Celtic may be a 'British' club but that doesn't mean republicans can't support them. Just like it means republicans can support Man Utd, watch 'Only Fools & Horses', listen to British bands etc.

    Simply dismissing Celtic as 'British' without even taking into account their Irish heritage and history is very simplistic IMO.

    Maybe it's just sour grapes on the part of LOI fans but that's not a discussion for this thread.


  • #374
    KeithAFC
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Why say let's just leave it at that then continue with your arguments? Seems to me like you just didn't have a response. And you live in the United Kingdom, certainly. No argument here. You also live in Ireland. Do you need a map?
    Not at all. It was the having a go at me for supporting a club which is a British club in the UK. I live in the UK. I don't see a contradiction.

    This is a thread about Irish rebel songs. You keep banging on about Celtic being a British club, and you're accusing other people of deflecting the topic. I'd argue that Ulster politics is a lot more relevant to this thread than where a football club plays. Still not very relevant, but more relevant.

    Celtic FC are a British club. No sane person is going to argue with you about this. They do, however, have very strong Irish connections. Therefore republicans supporting them are being in no way hypocritical. And I say this as a non republican Celtic fan.
    It wasn't me who brought it up. It was some one who posted a video and I responded to a reply about it and agreed that it had a touch of irony about it which I still stand by as that pub is in Dublin.


  • #375
    KeithAFC
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's so easy to make things sound how you like by putting the right spin on it. Example: You can make Irish Republicans sound hypocritical by saying they follow a British football club, while I can say they're not at all hypocritical by following a football club started by Irish people for Irish people. Both statements are true, it's all about the spin. I could just as easily call you a hypocrite for being an Irishman supporting a Scottish team. It's no less true than you saying you're from the UK and supporting a UK club, but, again, it's all about the spin.
    Its all about opinions and the odd fact. By the way, I have no problem with rebel songs or the players lounge.:)


  • #376
    Johnny Foreigner
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    I find it really boring when people keep taking a thread off topic.
    I am going to put this thread back on topic again.
    This is another personal favourite rebel song my Aunt had booming out of her Sanyo HiFi when I was a child:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35CBWwy98nc
    RIP Luke Kelly. Legend.


  • #377
    passarellaie
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    I live in the United Kingdom. Lets just leave it at that.[/QUOTE]

    When Alex Salmond wins his vote will you still support a club from outside the UK or will it be DUK by then


  • #378
    Paparazzo
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Why can't you see that republicanism isn't about hating anything British or anything located in Britain? It is to do with anti-British imperialism. This makes it possible to reconcile republicanism with supporting Celtic. Celtic may be a 'British' club but that doesn't mean republicans can't support them. Just like it means republicans can support Man Utd, watch 'Only Fools & Horses', listen to British bands etc.

    Simply dismissing Celtic as 'British' without even taking into account their Irish heritage and history is very simplistic IMO.

    Maybe it's just sour grapes on the part of LOI fans but that's not a discussion for this thread.
    It is simple. Celtic are British. They might have a portion of fans with Irish links. but as a football club they're 100% British. Pretending they're an Irish club is delusional.


  • #379
    passarellaie
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    It is simple. Celtic are British. They might have a portion of fans with Irish links. but as a football club they're 100% British. Pretending they're an Irish club is delusional.

    like the other guy what will you call them when Salmond wins his independence referendum, thats hardly 100% British is it?


  • #380
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    It is simple. Celtic are British. They might have a portion of fans with Irish links. but as a football club they're 100% British. Pretending they're an Irish club is delusional.

    No one disagreed with you that they are British. People argued with you on the notion that it was 'ironic' for republicans to support them.

    And a 'portion' of fans with Irish links?! How big or small would you reckon this portion to be?


  • #381
    Paparazzo
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    No one disagreed with you that they are British. People argued with you on the notion that it was 'ironic' for republicans to support them.

    And a 'portion' of fans with Irish links?! How big or small would you reckon this portion to be?
    You said its not as simplistic as saying they're simply British. When really it is. Do I have to explain the irony of a load of people singing rebel songs while cheering for a team that represents Britain?


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  • #382
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    You said its not as simplistic as saying they're simply British. When really it is. Do I have to explain the irony of a load of people singing rebel songs while cheering for a team that represents Britain?

    Go on then. Explain it. Convince me you are not simply trolling


  • #383
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    Here is a picture of the stadium of a club you dismiss as being 'simply British' http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/1332766014_6e04b26013.jpg


  • #384
    Paparazzo
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    Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »
    Go on then. Explain it. Convince me you are not simply trolling

    If you think I'm trolling report my posts.
    Rebel songs = anti British
    Celtic = British


  • #385
    Ash.J.Williams
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    R P McMurphy wrote: »
    Care to clarify what you mean by this? I take it you are referring to THE Luke Kelly

    Without doubt my favourite in this genre is the foggy dwe

    Granted we can claim foggy dew, and many other luke songs, but i would say 3/4's of lukes material came from abroad and mostly from britain. I haven't the time to go through all his songs, but looking at his "best of" as an example the following are not irish:
    1. song for ireland
    2. dirty old town
    3. Home, Boys, Home
    4. the holy ground
    5. black velvet band - british oz origin, renamed black velvet band.
    6. joe hill
    7. night visiting song
    8. the unquiet grave
    9. Gentleman Soldier
    10. Peat Bog Soldiers
    11. Sun Is Burning
    12. Alabama 58
    13. Springhill Mining Disaster


  • #386
    carfiosaoorl
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    I love Irish rebel songs. This is one of my favourites :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZb10nNN6WI


  • #387
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    If you think I'm trolling report my posts.
    Rebel songs = anti British
    Celtic = British

    Rebel songs != anti British
    Rebel songs == anti-British-imperialism

    Your logic fails. Have you not read any of the posts that were uploaded since earlier today? You will see that republicanism does not equal anti-Britain.

    You didn't answer my question on how big you reckon the portion of Celtic's support with Irish-links is?


  • #388
    Ash.J.Williams
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    If all the people who sat around singing rebel songs and drinking over the years actually fought in the battles we would never have been conqured in the first place. Every Irish battle i read about seems to involve rhetoric (****e talk) romanticism, and then everyone buggering off and leaving the rest to die outnumbered on the battlefield. We talk/sing a good battle, but tin whistles aren't worth a b*llix in armed combat.


  • #389
    carfiosaoorl
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    This is another song that I love. Its not a rebel song but I think it sums up the futility of it all.

    Tommy Sands "There were Roses"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omPltWNzLcM


  • #390
    ColeTrain
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    You said its not as simplistic as saying they're simply British. When really it is. Do I have to explain the irony of a load of people singing rebel songs while cheering for a team that represents Britain?

    Celtic are a Glasgow club, a Scottish club, a British club and a European club. You seem to have a serious hard on for stating they are British but who has argued that?

    They don't represent Britain in any competition though. If playing in Europe they represent the SFA.

    I don't see how it's ironic at all. Would it be ironic for me to listen to a rebel song while browsing an British website or watching a British TV show. What you're saying is in order to listen to a rebel song then you have to reject everything British :confused:


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  • #391
    conor.hogan.2
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    It would help if people used common sense (or preferably knew the history of ireland and scotland) and then would know the link between ireland and scotland, and glasgow recently just within the larger scheme of things.

    Then if they also looked into the history of the actual club they would see the further irish links and if they opened their eyes and looked at the club today they would see the irish links.

    That said I am not a huge fan of football/soccer but I do know history (what I thought was basic history) can use common sense (celtic, change the pronunciation…) and have eyes and ears to see the facts at every celtic game.


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