Katie Taylor. Do you think you could beat her in a fight?

pickarooney

Liamario wrote: »

It wouldn't take long to get close enough to grab her (unless we were in a field). She wouldn't get tired. But she'd have to get close to me to hit me. I'm at an average level of fitness; but let's not forget that she's a boxer not a wrestler. She's nearly a foot smaller and probably half the weight. She would have to keep her distance and I'd have to keep myself covered as I go into her. I wouldn't approach her slowly. I'd get close to her, take a few punches from her and then tie her arms up. She'd be done, I'd have a few bruises, but she'd have to be fairly strong to move me as dead weight, let alone with me putting up resistance.

That would be the reality of it Cassi. It's not confidence. It wouldn't be easy by any stretch, but the fastest boxer in the world can't stop someone from getting in close enough for someone to grab them. Once I've grabbed her, brought her down, she's done.

Please don't take this as me boasting, I'm looking at this as realistically as possible. I'd be avoiding a boxing match at all costs. All she would have is her punches and with no way to swing her arms, she's all out of weapons.

Rubbish man. You'd be on the floor holding your nutsack before you could move your arms. I mean, have you seen her kick? She's an international footballer on top of everything else.

Auvers

being 6ft 5 and weighing 18 stone, I would fancy my chances :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

enfant terrible wrote: »

Kung Fu is a martial art that is practiced without Contact

You don't know what kung fu is.

KTRIC

Auvers wrote: »

being 6ft 5 and weighing 18 stone, I would fancy my chances :pac:

She'd still knock the shite out of you, I feel sorry for you if you think otherwise.

Auvers

KTRIC wrote: »

She'd still knock the shite out of you, I feel sorry for you if you think otherwise.

indeed you really know about me from a two line post :pac:

I would fancy my chances, all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you can take the punches of a lightweight

arybvtcw0eolkf

Liamario wrote: »

People have a lot of respect for her and her talent and are perhaps putting on her a pedestal that's slightly too high.
She's definitely a force to be reckoned with, as long as she stays away from street fighting with men twice her size in temple bar

And whats your experience of men (or anyone) fighting in Templebar?.

Auvers wrote: »

I would fancy my chances, all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you can take the punches of a lightweight

You think lightweights don't hit hard?.

Auvers

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

You think lightweights don't hit hard?.

yes they can but every hit is not going to reach its target and I have sparred with lads with Katie's build and I don't think they ever got on my inside

arybvtcw0eolkf

Auvers wrote: »

yes they can but every hit is not going to reach its target and I have sparred with lads with Katie's build and I don't think they ever got on my inside

Are you, or were they boxer's?.

leonidas83

Their isnt a straight guy here who wouldnt relish the chance of getting up close and sweaty with Katie Taylor but beating her in a fight would be a tough ask as shes too bloody nice

Mint Sauce

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

In an amatuer boxing match, under rules, not a fúcking chance. I boxed for a long time and I'm still pretty fit and fast, with a huge reach and weight advantage, but I doubt I'd land a clean shot in 3 rounds while she'd pick me off at will. We mostly don't realise in this country just how good she is. In comparative terms, she's Tiger Woods, Brian 'Driscoll or Messi. Possibly our greatest performer ever, technical, focussed, fast, durable and no sign of losing the run of herself or getting overconfident. 11 Euro titles and 3 World's. Incredible boxer. When you know what you're watching, her quality is dizzying.

I love football, but in a choice between seeing her make history and going to Poland, I've decided on London.

And with no rules?

;-)

parker kent

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

Kev your banging your head off a brick wall and you won't get through to them.

That's just an insulting way to debate. It is equivalent to taking your ball and going home. I don't see what is crazy about suggesting it is more difficult to make it to the top of a sport with an exponentially higher participation rate. Take your own experience....

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

I've never played soccer, rugby, GAA or golf - or even tiddly winks on any kind of level. But I've trained with and fought guys are very high levels, and like you I've seen a few come from the ranks and almost from day one they're head and shoulders above the rest - they've a spark, an edge to their game that you can't train into them.

In soccer, the amount of soccer players with an "edge" is far, far higher than women's boxing purely because the participation rates are so much higher. Anybody that makes it to a top division team in soccer will have faced off thousands upon thousands of guys with an edge. You don't get to United, Barcelona, Real Madrid etc without having stand out talent. That is my point. I am not talking about what happens when they become world class athletes, I am talking about the relative difficulty of getting to the stage where you are recognised as a world class talent in soccer.

Whereas, with all due respect, that is not the case in women's boxing. It is not as difficult to get to a world class level because it is an emerging sport. If women's boxing increases in popularity, the overall talent pool will increase. Women that play tennis, sprint etc will take it up. So women that are currently "world class" in amateur boxing, may not be considered world class if they appeared in 10, 20 years time. The same way that it would not have been as difficult to become a top soccer player in the late 19th century as participation rates were different. Participation rates were lower, the bar to entry was lower. You only competed against people within your area/country (within reason), whereas now they are competing with the best talent worldwide to make it to top level football. That is why I say it is more difficult to become a top level footballer. Think of how many talented footballers that don't make it.

Also, in case you or Kevin Duffy feel like I don't "get it". I understand his point, however it is not taking into account the relative difficulty of getting to that stage. Nor am I in any way saying that Katie Taylor is not a world class athlete. I would say there are GAA players that are world class athlete as well. I would also say the very same thing about the relative ease of making it to the top level in the GAA compared to soccer. Note: Relative ease does not equal easy.

And just to return to the actual topic, people comparing their sparring with average people in boxing, MMA etc and saying how that proves they could beat an actual world class athlete is laughable.

Doc Ruby

Some amount of begrudgery from the Walter Mitty crowd on this thread.

I'd say how Irish of them, but really, we've no clue where they come from.

Jayob10

Auvers wrote: »

being 6ft 5 and weighing 18 stone, I would fancy my chances :pac:

I'd love to see the overconfident few get a shot at fighting her.

I've seen high quality lads of that size get completely shut out whilst sparring to a high intensity with Katie. International heavies, and super heavyweight fighters. Lads who would blow you over with a sneeze

She would most certainly stop you before you heard the final bell, she would have landed 3,4,5 punches and be gone before you can even straighten you arm.

teednab-el

Liamario wrote: »

cassi wrote: »

@teednab-el Gina Carano is MMA, I wouldn't stand a chance and 99% of people in this country wouldn't have a hope either. Katie Taylor isn't MMA and as such, Gina Carano would make relatively light work of her in street fight.

Id take Gina though coz I'm a tough b*stard. :-D

enfant terrible

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

You don't know what kung fu is.

All you need to know is kung fu is of no practical use in a real fight.

Tiger claw or no tiger claw.

desertcircus

enfant terrible wrote: »

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The point being made is because Randy Coutre and other proffessional MMA fighters can tackle someone easily then your average person could do the exact same. It's ridiculous really.

So you don't think an average guy who is twice the size of Katie Taylor couldn't take her down.

Tackling someone half the size of you is not so hard, give it a try.

Has she got a good sprawl we don't know about.

Ask Rashad Bobino how his street brawl with Roger Huerta went. And Bobino was a pro athlete with an eighty pound advantage.

shadowcomplex

Id let her beat the head off me until she gets battered

Chuck Stone

This thread is punching way above it's weight.

mickydoomsux

teednab-el wrote: »

Liamario wrote: »

Id take Gina though coz I'm a tough b*stard. :-D

Gina Carano isn't even that great by womens MMA standards, she's just the poster girl because she's pretty compared to the rest of them. Put Katie against Cristiane Santos and watch her get the **** pummeled out of her by an honest to god fighter.

As i said already, boxing really only works against someone who is willing to solely box you.

enfant terrible

desertcircus wrote: »

Ask Rashad Bobino how his street brawl with Roger Huerta went. And Bobino was a pro athlete with an eighty pound advantage.

Ya i saw that a few months ago, Bobino was drunk but anyway, anyone can be sucker punched.

Still wouldn't stop a guy twice the size of Taylor from taking her down.

Nodin

enfant terrible wrote: »

All you need to know is kung fu is of no practical use in a real fight.

Tiger claw or no tiger claw.

You really really don't know what 'Kung Fu' is, do you?

Auvers

Jayob10 wrote: »

I'd love to see the overconfident few get a shot at fighting her.

I've seen high quality lads of that size get completely shut out whilst sparring to a high intensity with Katie. International heavies, and super heavyweight fighters. Lads who would blow you over with a sneeze

She would most certainly stop you before you heard the final bell, she would have landed 3,4,5 punches and be gone before you can even straighten you arm.

ffs you make her sound like Sugar Ray Robinson

I still would fancy my chances no matter what you say as I know my own ability and it ain't overconfidence

enfant terrible

Nodin wrote: »

You really really don't know what 'Kung Fu' is, do you?

Kung-Fu is just a generic word that people use to talk about Chinese martial arts(of which there are a few hundred). The Chinese don't even call it Kung-Fu(Just means hard work, or alot of effort spent to master. Which could be used for anything from martial arts and riding a bike to cooking.) they call it Wu-Shu(literally martial art).

What you need to know is it is practically useless compared to BJJ, Muay thai, boxing, wrestling etc.

Dyr

mickydoomsux wrote: »

teednab-el wrote: »

Gina Carano isn't even that great by womens MMA standards, she's just the poster girl because she's pretty compared to the rest of them. Put Katie against Cristiane Santos and watch her get the **** pummeled out of her by an honest to god fighter.

As i said already, boxing really only works against someone who is willing to solely box you.

grappling only works against someone who is'nt willing to stab ya in the face..so ya can lay out a trail of whatiffery from here to galway bay but it won't change the fact that katie taylor would bury ya in a straightner

teednab-el

Bambi wrote: »

mickydoomsux wrote: »

teednab-el wrote: »

Gina Carano isn't even that great by womens MMA standards, she's just the poster girl because she's pretty compared to the rest of them. Put Katie against Cristiane Santos and watch her get the **** pummeled out of her by an honest to god fighter.

As i said already, boxing really only works against someone who is willing to solely box you.

grappling only works against someone who is'nt willing to stab ya in the face..so ya can lay out a trail of whatiffery from here to galway bay but it won't change the fact that katie taylor would bury ya in a straightner

@ Bambi, Don't misquote me, I didn't say the above at all. Careful with your use of quotations. It wasnt me that said that. Look back over thread again.

Nodin

enfant terrible wrote: »

Kung-Fu is just a generic word that people use to talk about Chinese martial arts(of which there are a few hundred). The Chinese don't even call it Kung-Fu(Just means hard work, or alot of effort spent to master. Which could be used for anything from martial arts and riding a bike to cooking.) they call it Wu-Shu(literally martial art)..

Now, wouldn't ye have better off looking up wiki before making your first post on the subject, rather than later?

enfant terrible wrote: »

What you need to know is it is practically useless compared to BJJ, Muay thai, boxing, wrestling etc.

Really? How do you know this?

Dyr

teednab-el wrote: »

Bambi wrote: »

@ Bambi, Don't misquote me, I didn't say the above at all. Careful with your use of quotations. It wasnt me that said that. Look back over thread again.

it was mickysux or whoever, not my fault if you we're caught in the cross quote, bidness be bidness son

Mercurius

enfant terrible wrote: »

Kung Fu is a martial art that is practiced without contact.

I take it you've never heard of Sanshou/Sanda, the Chinese full-contact format, or watched the Art of War, the Chinese version of MMA.

As for your comparison with other art watch Liu Hailong, a sanshou fighter, in the many contests against Muay Thai, or of Cung Le in the UFC, another Sanda fighter.

Here's one for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FCDKabF7YQ

arybvtcw0eolkf

enfant terrible wrote: »

So you don't think an average guy who is twice the size of Katie Taylor couldn't take her down.

Tackling someone half the size of you is not so hard, give it a try.

Has she got a good sprawl we don't know about.

Take down defence is all about having a good sprawl?.

Mercurius wrote: »

I take it you've never heard of Sanshou/Sanda, the Chinese full-contact format

Sanshou is a great style, I have a lot of respect for it.

enfant terrible

Kolten Eager Tailor wrote: »

Take down defence is all about having a good sprawl?.

It helps ya.

Jayob10

Auvers wrote: »

ffs you make her sound like Sugar Ray Robinson

I still would fancy my chances no matter what you say as I know my own ability and it ain't overconfidence

Your own ability to do what exactly?? to beat up a woman

Its just a matter of fact, Katie has put beatings on some of the lads on the irish international teams.

Fancying your chances really shows how you know f*ck all about the sport of boxing.

enfant terrible

Jayob10 wrote: »

Your own ability to do what exactly?? to beat up a woman

Its just a matter of fact, Katie has put beatings on some of the lads on the irish international teams.

Fancying your chances really shows how you know f*ck all about the sport of boxing.

Were the guys 6' 5 and 18 stone.

Were they allowed to drag her to the ground and elbow her in the face?

Auvers

Jayob10 wrote: »

Fancying your chances really shows how you know f*ck all about the sport of boxing.

don't be so arrogant, you know nothing about me

desertcircus

enfant terrible wrote: »

Ya i saw that a few months ago, Bobino was drunk but anyway, anyone can be sucker punched.

Still wouldn't stop a guy twice the size of Taylor from taking her down.

Even drunk, Rashad Bobino was a professional athlete who specialised in taking huge hits and collisions, trying to start a fight with a guy who was eighty pounds lighter than him. The lesson to take away? Training in MMA beats an eighty-pound weight advantage. Given that, I'd feel fairly confident in saying that being a top-level boxer, combined with the gulf in physical conditioning, would mean she'd drop anyone without a decent grounding in fighting disciplines.

saa

Ah lads plenty of women psychically stronger than thou but thats their day job.

Oranage2

I've no fighting experience - I weigh about 40 pounds more than her, I reckon I'd take her in a fight - Not sure in a boxing ring.

Nodin

saa wrote: »

Ah lads plenty of women psychically stronger than thou but thats their day job.

...the x-women.

Auvers

Oranage2 wrote: »

I've no fighting experience - I weigh about 40 pounds more than her, I reckon I'd take her in a fight - Not sure in a boxing ring.

hmmm have you ever been in the ring?

the speed and endurance of someone Katie's size is not to be taken lightly

Jayob10

enfant terrible wrote: »

Were the guys 6' 5 and 18 stone.

Were they allowed to drag her to the ground and elbow her in the face?

they'd be 6'3+ lean muscle, fast, hit hard and yes she has taken many of them to the cleaners and been competitive with Irelands best male fighters.

I don't imagine many of Irelands best fighters are posting here.

Size and weight is only half the battle

it all depends on the type of fight really.

The King of Moo

Some people have given this a frightening, detailed level of thought. :eek:

Paparazzo

Some people are frighteningly deluded.

peteclarke

Jayob10 wrote: »

enfant terrible wrote: »

Were the guys 6' 5 and 18 stone.

Were they allowed to drag her to the ground and elbow her in the face?

they'd be 6'3+ lean muscle, fast, hit hard and yes she has taken many of them to the cleaners and been competitive with Irelands best male fighters.

I don't imagine many of Irelands best fighters are posting here.

Size and weight is only half the battle

it all depends on the type of fight really.

Bull••••.
I thinks she's great but she can not handle the top male boxers. So you think she could beat Bernard Dunne for example?

Naos

Curious if any of these lads here saying they'd be able to take her down have ever actually fought a boxer?

Big, big difference between someone who is standing relatively still throwing arm punches against someone light on their feet, throwing punches with their body, reading the way your body is moving and responding with accurate, fast and hard punches.

efb

peteclarke wrote: »

Jayob10 wrote: »

enfant terrible wrote: »

Were the guys 6' 5 and 18 stone.

Were they allowed to drag her to the ground and elbow her in the face?

they'd be 6'3+ lean muscle, fast, hit hard and yes she has taken many of them to the cleaners and been competitive with Irelands best male fighters.

I don't imagine many of Irelands best fighters are posting here.

Size and weight is only half the battle

it all depends on the type of fight really.

Bull••••.
I thinks she's great but she can not handle the top male boxers. So you think she could beat Bernard Dunne for example?

My sister could beat Bernard Dunne

Carter P Fly

Didnt read the thead but in response to the OP If by 'beat in a fight' you mean masturbate furiously whilst thinking about her kicking the crap out of me then yes, i've 'beat in a fight' many a time.

colly10

peteclarke wrote: »

So you think she could beat Bernard Dunne for example?

You do know bernard dunne weighs in around 8 and a half stone?

colly10

Oranage2 wrote: »

I've no fighting experience - I weigh about 40 pounds more than her, I reckon I'd take her in a fight - Not sure in a boxing ring.

I have 35 lbs on her, have fighting experience and don't think I would

peteclarke

colly10 wrote: »

peteclarke wrote: »

So you think she could beat Bernard Dunne for example?

You do know bernard dunne weighs in around 8 and a half stone?

I thought he was a little heavier. Around 10 stone. However it's not the point and it doesn't matter. He would win a boxing match against her easy.

All these points about how great her boxing is. I agree. She is an amazing boxer. However, we are not talking about boxing. She has never been kicked in the leg. Never been clinched.

Do you not realise, she won't be using her incredible footwork and landing punches when she is on the ground with a much bigger man, holding her down by her hair and elbowing her in the face. It's not nice to think about and I didn't enjoy writing that but street fights are horrible.

The way people are talking about how nobody could take her down. In that case could she play rugby for Ireland? Just give her the ball, nobody can tackle her.

She is a great athlete but she's not magic.

Cathaoirleach

She's very small

IcedOut

I wouldnt go pickin fights with her