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People who grew up in Ireland calling it Boxing Day?

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  • #102
    byte
    Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,130 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    I'm from Donegal, but tend to call it St. Stephen's Day. However, at times I do find myself saying Boxing Day. However, I didn't realise it was that big a deal.


  • #103
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    hondasam wrote: »
    You cannot possibly think the majority of Irish people would want to call it Boxing day.
    No- but I don't think they particularly care if someone else does.

    My question is 'who cares whether Joe Bloggs calls the 26th of December boxing Day or Saint Stephen's Day?'

    What the f*ck does it even matter?

    St Stephen's Day isn't even an Irish thing, it's a feast day that is common across the world.


  • #104
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    later10 wrote: »
    No- but I don't think they particularly care if someone else does.

    My question is 'who cares whether Joe Bloggs calls the 26th of December boxing Day or Saint Stephen's Day?'

    What the f*ck does it even matter?

    St Stephen's Day isn't even an Irish thing, it's a feast day that is common across the world.

    They don't care if non Irish people call it Boxing day.How would you feel if St Patrick's day was called something else?


  • #105
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    hondasam wrote: »
    The relevance of what ?/QUOTE]

    The English not calling it St Stephen's Day


  • #106
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    hondasam wrote: »
    The relevance of what ?/QUOTE]

    The English not calling it St Stephen's Day

    The point is it's Boxing day in the UK and they would never say St Stephens day as majority of them would not know what it was.


  • #107
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    hondasam wrote: »
    They don't care if non Irish people call it Boxing day.How would you feel if St Patrick's day was called something else?

    Honda sam read this slowly.

    Nobody is talking about changing the name.

    Some people just call it something else, Irish people included... what's the problem?


  • #108
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Some people may have been raised calling it boxing day. Leave them be. Its what they are used to.


  • #109
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    woodoo wrote: »
    Some people may have been raised calling it boxing day. Leave them be. Its what they are used to.

    Does that mean you have no answer to the question I put to you ?


  • #110
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    later10 wrote: »
    Honda sam read this slowly
    .
    LOL
    Nobody is talking about changing the name.

    Some people just call it something else, Irish people included... what's the problem?

    There is no problem as such but it's not Boxing day in Ireland, that is all.


  • #111
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Does that mean you have no answer to the question I put to you ?

    Your question doesn't really matter. I'm not trying to tell anyone to call it boxing day. Call it whatever you like. Its not a matter of right and wrong.


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  • #112
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    woodoo wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Does that mean you have no answer to the question I put to you ?

    Your question doesn't really matter. I'm not trying to tell anyone to call it boxing day. Call it whatever you like. Its not a matter of right and wrong.

    But it is. You said yourself that you would call Jan 1st New Year's Day, because that's what it's called here. Even my local Chinese gave out a calendar based on this country's New Year, not their own.


  • #113
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But it is. You said yourself that you would call Jan 1st New Year's Day, because that's what it's called here. Even my local Chinese gave out a calendar based on this country's New Year, not their own.

    I don't know what point you are trying to make. We work of that calendar here. I don't know anything about china. Plenty of people in this country use boxing day. That is their choice its still the 26th Dec. Why don't you find out what they call it in china if you are interested.

    Who decides what we call the 26th Dec anyway? Who makes the rules? Is there a rule-book somewhere.


  • #114
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    woodoo wrote: »

    I don't know what point you are trying to make. We work of that calendar here. I don't know anything about china. Plenty of people in this country use boxing day. That is their choice its still the 26th Dec. Why don't you find out what they call it in china if you are interested.

    Who decides what we call the 26th Dec anyway? Who makes the rules? Is there a rule-book somewhere.

    I have never come across even a single person who calls it that.

    And yes, there is a "rule book"; in fact, it was a British rule book that changed it to Boxing Day for Britain (note: Britain, not the UK), so by using that phrase you are actually using another country's "rule book".....strange that you are then supposedly against rule books!


  • #115
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    And yes, there is a "rule book"; in fact, it was a British rule book that changed it to Boxing Day for Britain (note: Britain, not the UK), so by using that phrase you are actually using another country's "rule book".....strange that you are then supposedly against rule books

    Can you get me a link to that rule book you speak of :D

    This is all getting a bit silly now to tell the truth. Some people are getting their knickers in a twist because some use a so called British term to describe a day. What language are you posting in? English. If you don't want anything to to with British. Stop speaking their language. Go ultra Irish and stop being a hypocrite.

    I'll still be calling it boxing day btw.


  • #116
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    woodoo wrote: »

    Can you get me a link to that rule book you speak of :D

    It was linked to earlier in the thread.

    EDIT : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Holidays_Act_1871
    This is all getting a bit silly now to tell the truth. Some people are getting their knickers in a twist because some use a so called British term to describe a day.

    Not "so called"; it is a British term because they changed from the almost European-wide St Stephen's Day.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Stephen's_Day
    What language are you posting in? English. If you don't want anything to to with British. Stop speaking their language. Go ultra Irish and stop being a hypocrite.

    I'll still be calling it boxing day btw.

    No-one said anything about "not wanting anything to do with British" - you're making stuff up now.


  • #117
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    woodoo wrote: »
    Plenty of people in this country use boxing day.

    "Plenty" is very vague. "Boxing Day" is patently a usage by a very small and culturally more anglicised section of society who are either unfortunate enough to be still living under British rule, or geographically very close to that area. This thread has made that clear. Moreover, "Boxing Day" is a relatively new British neologism for St Stephen's Day. Why people are contending that it's not, as if "Boxing Day" has as long a history of use in this country as St Stephen's Day when it is clearly a recent import from British commercial culture, is the odd thing here.

    Boxing Day/ High Street/ British Isles reflect an idiosyncratically British outlook on the world. Don't bother claiming that they are Irish because historically they aren't. Just because some self-declared republicans in the Six claim it must be Irish because they use it doesn't make it Irish. They are still 90 years behind the rest of the country (socially-economically deprived British soccer-following areas of Dublin and Drogheda excluded, of course) in terms of their freedom from British cultural/commercial norms like "high streets" and "Boxing Day". Why this candid observation of the cultural world within which they have had the misfortune to grow up in in the North of Ireland rankles with some is strange. An Irishman in Derry is just as Irish as an Irishman in Kerry in his identity, but culturally they have had to live under British cultural norms and therefore what they see as 'normal' can be seen by people outside British rule as being very British. I have huge sympathy for the Irish in the North, but trying to sell us this sow's ear of "Boxing Day" as being up there with the silk cultural and historical purse of St Stephen's Day/Lá an Dreoilín is not on after all the work we've done trying to deanglicise the free part of the country.

    This contention, against all the evidence, that "Boxing Day" is as Irish as "Stephen's Day" is becoming quite silly now.


  • #118
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    hondasam wrote: »
    .There is no problem as such but it's not Boxing day in Ireland, that is all.

    WHY. DO. YOU. CARE?


  • #119
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But it is. You said yourself that you would call Jan 1st New Year's Day, because that's what it's called here. Even my local Chinese gave out a calendar based on this country's New Year, not their own.

    But there's a difference there. We're not saying that we want to celebrate (and really, does anyone do anything special on the day after Xmas anymore?) a different date or holiday; be it Boxing Day or St Stephens's Day, it's still the same date. The sentiment doesn't change; it's not that one group are hanging tricolours out their window and the other are hanging union jacks. It's a name for a day. It's not that we are proposing dropping SSD for St. George's Day, changing the days and dates we celebrate. It's semantics and really is unimportant in the larger scheme of things. A rose by any other name...

    It would be more like calling New Year's Day some other name because the Chinese do, not a proposition to complete relocate New Year's Day on the calander.
    hondasam wrote: »
    They don't care if non Irish people call it Boxing day.How would you feel if St Patrick's day was called something else?

    Given my utter hatred of St. Patrick's Day, they can change it to anything they want tbh....


  • #120
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    hondasam wrote: »
    Bet you will not find an english man calling it St Stephens day.

    Of course you will. I've heard it many times in a little Church I used to attend in the South of England. St Stephens day is (as another poster said) a globalised Saints day, so from Ireland, to Wales, to England, to Timbuktu, you will hear the 26th being called St Stephens day, and on a local level it may also be called Boxing day for reasons already mentioned (see post#18).

    This little idea that 'St Stephens day' is an Irish thing is total rubbish.


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  • #121
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    How many people here have the slightest notion who the fup this "Stephen" character was anyway ?

    <Cue stampede to Wikipedia>


  • #122
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,810 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    OK, some people call it Boxing Day, some people call it St. Stephen's Day. But why is it that people resent it when people (including me) call it Boxing Day?

    But far more importantly, who the hell in Ireland says 'High Street'???


  • #123
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    McGaggs wrote: »
    But far more importantly, who the hell in Ireland says 'High Street'???


    People in Galway ?


  • #124
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,810 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    McGaggs wrote: »
    But far more importantly, who the hell in Ireland says 'High Street'???


    People in Galway ?

    You know what I mean.


  • #125
    Al Capwned
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,721 ✭✭✭Al Capwned


    McGaggs wrote: »
    OK, some people call it Boxing Day, some people call it St. Stephen's Day. But why is it that people resent it when people (including me) call it Boxing Day?

    But far more importantly, who the hell in Ireland says 'High Street'???

    People in Wexford, or Graiguenamanagh, or Kilkenny, or Galway, or Killarney.......


  • #126
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    McGaggs wrote: »
    OK, some people call it Boxing Day, some people call it St. Stephen's Day. But why is it that people resent it when people (including me) call it Boxing Day?

    Ignorance probably?


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  • #127
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    ItsAWindUp wrote: »
    WHY. DO. YOU. CARE?

    I never said I did care. Why do you care? what is the capital letters about?


  • #128
    Witchie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    Always called it Boxing day and always will. There is a saint related to every day of the year yet we dont go around calling days after them so why bother with this Stephen bloke just coz he was a martyr?

    At least Boxing Day has some relevance to Christmas and makes more sense.


  • #129
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Seanchai wrote: »

    "Plenty" is very vague. "Boxing Day" is patently a usage by a very small and culturally more anglicised section of society who are either unfortunate enough to be still living under British rule, or geographically very close to that area. This thread has made that clear. Moreover, "Boxing Day" is a relatively new British neologism for St Stephen's Day. Why people are contending that it's not, as if "Boxing Day" has as long a history of use in this country as St Stephen's Day when it is clearly a recent import from British commercial culture, is the odd thing here.

    Boxing Day/ High Street/ British Isles reflect an idiosyncratically British outlook on the world. Don't bother claiming that they are Irish because historically they aren't. Just because some self-declared republicans in the Six claim it must be Irish because they use it doesn't make it Irish. They are still 90 years behind the rest of the country (socially-economically deprived British soccer-following areas of Dublin and Drogheda excluded, of course) in terms of their freedom from British cultural/commercial norms like "high streets" and "Boxing Day". Why this candid observation of the cultural world within which they have had the misfortune to grow up in in the North of Ireland rankles with some is strange. An Irishman in Derry is just as Irish as an Irishman in Kerry in his identity, but culturally they have had to live under British cultural norms and therefore what they see as 'normal' can be seen by people outside British rule as being very British. I have huge sympathy for the Irish in the North, but trying to sell us this sow's ear of "Boxing Day" as being up there with the silk cultural and historical purse of St Stephen's Day/Lá an Dreoilín is not on after all the work we've done trying to deanglicise the free part of the country.

    This contention, against all the evidence, that "Boxing Day" is as Irish as "Stephen's Day" is becoming quite silly now.

    My rule of thumb is just to call it whatever gets your bile running.

    So I'm sticking with Boxed Present For My Irish Manservant Day.


  • #130
    carfiosaoorl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭carfiosaoorl


    The wren, the wren, the king of all birds, boxing day got caught in the furze. Nope that doesnt work, St Stephens it is.


  • #131
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Witchie wrote: »
    Always called it Boxing day and always will. There is a saint related to every day of the year yet we dont go around calling days after them so why bother with this Stephen bloke just coz he was a martyr?

    At least Boxing Day has some relevance to Christmas and makes more sense.

    Why bother calling it Christmas if you think that?


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  • #132
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Is there a rule now about what were allowed call days now?

    What's Jan 6- Epiphany/Little Christmas/Women's Christmas/06/01/1/6?


  • #133
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    efb wrote: »
    Is there a rule now about what were allowed call days now?

    What's Jan 6- Epiphany/Little Christmas/Women's Christmas/06/01/1/6?

    Nollaig na mBan


  • #134
    Bullchomper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Bullchomper


    Haaaaaa! Hilarious! Arguments about boxing day and spelling... Ah.. haven't been on Boards for a while, we should have a flat out unholy fiendish dispute about embroidered cushions - BASTARDING CUSHIONS!


  • #135
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Scientician wrote: »
    efb wrote: »
    Is there a rule now about what were allowed call days now?

    What's Jan 6- Epiphany/Little Christmas/Women's Christmas/06/01/1/6?

    Nollaig na mBan


    So should the 26th not be Là 'le Stiofàn then???


  • #136
    Witchie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Why bother calling it Christmas if you think that?

    Coz its what I grew up calling it.


  • #137
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Bullchomper wrote: »
    we should have a flat out unholy fiendish dispute about embroidered cushions - BASTARDING CUSHIONS!

    Well at least its original

    You sir (or madam ?) are a fuking genius.

    let the trolling/flaming/banning begin !


  • #138
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Witchie wrote: »
    Coz its what I grew up calling it.

    You may have grown up calling it Boxing Day but that does not explain the rest of your post


  • #139
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    In calling it Lá Dornailiocht next year- the barstoolers will be pišsed right off!


  • #140
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    efb wrote: »
    So should the 26th not be Là 'le Stiofàn then???

    If ya like. ;)


  • #141
    westendgirlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    Yesterday was St Anthony The Hermit Day.









    I stayed in


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  • #142
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    westendgirlie wrote: »
    Yesterday was St Anthony The Hermit Day.









    I stayed in

    A day for getting crabs! ;)


  • #143
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    When's the feast day of the massacre of the holy infants


  • #144
    Bullchomper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Bullchomper


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Well at least its original

    You sir (or madam ?) are a fuking genius.

    let the trolling/flaming/banning begin !

    Madam, last I heard. I can't believe my attempt to instigate carnage failed. Not so much as a peep about needlework or fluff... I'm off to the corner of the room to wallow in dismay..


  • #145
    westendgirlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A day for getting crabs! ;)

    Getting them was the day before. Staying in on Hermit Day trying to get rid of em :eek:


  • #146
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    woodoo wrote: »
    Some people may have been raised calling it boxing day. Leave them be. Its what they are used to.
    some parts of the world say st stephens day is the 27th december,in fact untill the late 16th century even rome used to celebrate on that day.


  • #147
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    For what it's worth, when I was growing up Boxing Day was used more at home than St. Stephens Day. Parents both came from border counties.

    As for why people are so insistent about St. Stephens Day, I couldn't see why most people in Ireland would care, as extraordinary as Stephen was in the early Christian church.

    Does it really matter which is used. I thought society should have grown up of the it's a British thing ergo we don't do it stage. If we haven't then it means that Irish identity is firmly pegged to British identity.


  • #148
    onedmc
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭onedmc


    The Carol Good King Wenceslas refers to the feast of Stephen.

    This was written by an Englishman about an English king so they must have referred to it as such at some stage. They Brits mush have changed the wording to reflect the generosity of the landed class to their grateful employee - they're all unemployed now


  • #149
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    He wasnt even a King! (QI told me)


  • #150
    AEDIC
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭AEDIC


    onedmc wrote: »
    The Carol Good King Wenceslas refers to the feast of Stephen.

    This was written by an Englishman about an English king so they must have referred to it as such at some stage. They Brits mush have changed the wording to reflect the generosity of the landed class to their grateful employee - they're all unemployed now

    No it wasnt.... wasnt he a Duke of Bohemia or something (again from QI :D )


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  • #151
    number10a
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    I actually find it quite sad that people openly admit to calling it Boxing Day "cos I heard it on the telly". I've no problem with people calling it Boxing Day, but seriously, are you really that impressionable??? You call it Boxing Day simply because you watch British TV. No other reason. No English mother, no growing up in England/Australia/Canada/Donegal. Just the telly. By that logic you should also go around saying "innit?" and "Giz a butchers!" too, and have a strange mix of different English accents proportionate to how often they are broadcast on the TV.


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