Clocked car for sale 01 BMW e39 Estoril Blue, beware!

philstar

readytosnap wrote: »

NO SENCEABLE OFFER REFUSED..................
says it all

its the way they speak up north:D

DaForceCork

Back again for sale under another seller

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4360001

Even some of the ad description has been cut and paste from my old ad on BMW Driver site from 4 years ago

jamesbondings

and another 11,000km off the clock

Squ

jamesbondings wrote: »

and another 11,000km off the clock

In another few years it'll be "delivery milage only"

circadian

More likely One careful lady owner, driven to the shops and back every day for 10 years.

triple-M

and serviced every 2000 miles but service book got washed away during floods

DaForceCork

When I had it, there was a fully stamped book with main dealer to 100k and Indys stamps to 154k (bought it from another boards member) and sold it nearly 5 years ago. I remapped it then, tinted it and fitted the M5 mirrors so ad description is bull. I regret selling it on with a genuine set of style 65 M5 wheels (should have kept them!)

When it changed hands over the years since, it had exhausts added, M5 badges, rep wheels, wind visor tint and landed in Donegal when clocking started.

slavetothegrind

if done deal gave a damn it would be very easy to record the reg of reported vehicles thus helping cut this crapola out!

Be nice if motorcheck or cartell ran a sales site with one of their checks coming with every vehicle!
It would cost more but would surely result in a more honest seller?

guttenberg

Might take a spin about later see if I can spot it, those photos were taken out the road from me.

Mully_2011

Mully_2011 wrote: »

I don't know why people get so upset with clocking I mean I wouldn't do it myself but really mileage isn't really that important at the end of the day once the car has being looked after properly serviced and all that jazz does it really make a difference.

Also that was a beaut of a e39 on the m5 wheels

I know this is an old comment but I have to give my opinion nonetheless.

Admittedly I don't know much about cars but what I do know is this, and it's just one of many reasons. Manufacturer recommends timing belt replacement at x miles. The car has been clocked back 60k. So when the car actually reaches x miles, it's reporting 60k less so you don't know the belt needs to be replaced. Timing belt fails, engine destroyed.

DaForceCork

Checked reg plate and no change in ownership in three months

https://www.motortax.ie/PSE/pseVehicleSearchReceiving.do

The second last Donedeal ad had reference to tax book missing and owner would need to apply for it along with suspension damage. The location of ad was Derry again and not Wicklow as stated. I have screen shots from Done Deal.

DaForceCork

This was from Dec 2011

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L-M

They're a timing chain.

Anywho who believes the tip ex on a timing belt cover without documented proof is doing the same.

bambera

amdublin wrote: »

In this day and age is it still bloody possible to clock cars??

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/4357788

Alanstrainor

Is it not mental money anyway, even if the mileage quoted was genuine? Relatively old, big engine high tax, not the most fuel efficient yoke. Would have thought there was no marked for them.

Quazzie

The only way to stop clocking is to make changing the odomoter only legal in main dealers and prosecute everyone else heavily. When buying a car, any car, the decision to buy should be made on the inspection of the car, and not what number appears on the dash.

L-M

Sure if someone changed the engine in that car what's the odometer good for then.

ScouseMouse

Donedeal knows about this thread. Lets see if they act. Maybe one for legal thread, but now they know its clocked/fraud? Are they liable due to complacency?

Cungi

Does anyone know if this has been reported to the Gardai?

Tea 1000

Limerick man wrote: »

Sure if someone changed the engine in that car what's the odometer good for then.

Every other single component on the car.

Drummerboy08

Cungi wrote: »

Does anyone know if this has been reported to the Gardai?

For what offence?

Cungi

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

For what offence?

Offering a car for sale which has been clocked.

According to the National Consumer Agency, it's an offence.

http://www.nca.ie/nca/car-clocking

Drummerboy08

Cungi wrote: »

Offering a car for sale which has been clocked.

According to the National Consumer Agency, it's an offence.

http://www.nca.ie/nca/car-clocking

Only if the seller knows about it and fails to disclose it to a potential buyer.

Nobody has given the seller that opportunity yet.

Quazzie

Cungi wrote: »

Offering a car for sale which has been clocked.

According to the National Consumer Agency, it's an offence.

http://www.nca.ie/nca/car-clocking

That's only if you buy it and the seller didn't make you aware of the fact that it was clocked beforehand. It's not against the law to advertise it because the seller can just say he was going to make the buyer aware of it before the sale was completed.

Cungi

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Only if the seller knows about it and fails to disclose it to a potential buyer.

Nobody has given the seller that opportunity yet.

Ok. Has anyone here contacted the seller?

L-M

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Every other single component on the car.

Like what? Tyres? Bushings? Ball joints? I'm sure on a car that's 13 years old with 250k on it most of the wareable parts would have been changed where as a car with 100 k might have less changes!

DaForceCork

Old ad removed from Donedeal and back again with reg deleted

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4381989

Nice red dot on dash clock too which shows miles been tampered with

galwaytt

DaForceCork wrote: »

Old ad removed from Donedeal and back again with reg deleted

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4381989

Nice red dot on dash clock too which shows miles been tampered with

LOL
No tax
No NCT
No log book

That's not a car - that's an ornament !!




p.s.
No tax is livable - std fare these days
No NCT - very caveat, very emptor
No logbook - really ? How do 'I' know you own it, then ??

L-M

Ah jays us you might as well burn your money.

bmstuff

DaForceCork wrote: »

Old ad removed from Donedeal and back again with reg deleted

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4381989

Nice red dot on dash clock too which shows miles been tampered with

FIY, the so called temper dot on the cluster has nothing to do with mileage difference between the mileage stored in the IKE and LCM module. You can swith clusters between 2 e39 with exact same mileage, you would still have the temper dot on.

Eric Cartman

bmstuff wrote: »

FIY, the so called temper dot on the cluster has nothing to do with mileage difference between the mileage stored in the IKE and LCM module. You can swith clusters between 2 e39 with exact same mileage, you would still have the temper dot on.

yeah but its not a hard job to line up the mileage and vin number , a bmw indy should be able to code the right vin into the modules for 50 quid or so, you could even do it yourself with a 30 euro cable from ebay and a bit of googling. Even if we didnt know it was clocked it would throw up serious alarm bells.

dgt

Just a thought

I'm looking at the original ad, if the car was clocked to 60k ish miles in Dec 2011, now has 181k miles.... Isn't that not a lot of miles in just over a year? Normal taxi mileage wouldn't be close to that....

bmstuff

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yeah but its not a hard job to line up the mileage and vin number , a bmw indy should be able to code the right vin into the modules for 50 quid or so, you could even do it yourself with a 30 euro cable from ebay and a bit of googling. Even if we didnt know it was clocked it would throw up serious alarm bells.

Yes but the simple fact of changing the light module on a e39 would get the temper dot to go off.
Yes the temper dot is worrysome and question should be raised, but light module issue are very common on the e39, e53..
Obviously this car has history and is dodgy...but the temper dot has nothing to do with mileage once again and is not and has never been a sign the car has been clocked, this is just a urban legend.

Eric Cartman

bmstuff wrote: »

Yes but the simple fact of changing the light module on a e39 would get the temper dot to go off.
Yes the temper dot is worrysome and question should be raised, but light module issue are very common on the e39, e53..
Obviously this car has history and is dodgy...but the temper dot has nothing to do with mileage once again and is not and has never been a sign the car has been clocked, this is just a urban legend.

a light module has to be coded anyway afaik , so coding in the vin wouldnt be too much of a stretch while doing it.

guttenberg

I seriously doubt the current "owner" is driving that thing properly insured.

Jayson325i

I'm the current owner of this car now, bought it from a guy in Milford a year ago I paid 4500 euro for it, I've put the add up a few time an everyone ones seem to be reporting it! At the end of the day I had no idea of the history of the car, cars runing 100% can't fault it in anyway.. You's all need to get a life instead of on this form talking about other people's misfortunes. Miles may have been screwd ( not by me of course) but nearly every car around nowadays are clock.

dahamsta

<fetches popcorn>

Jayson325i

dahamsta wrote: »

<fetches popcorn>

<turd muffin>

Kenny Logins

Jayson325i wrote: »

<turd muffin>

Prefer popcorn...

guttenberg

Jayson how come you never rereg'd it in NI if your living in Derry?

ian87

This will be good..

mloc123

Jayson325i wrote: »

I'm the current owner of this car now, bought it from a guy in Milford a year ago I paid 4500 euro for it, I've put the add up a few time an everyone ones seem to be reporting it! At the end of the day I had no idea of the history of the car, cars runing 100% can't fault it in anyway.. You's all need to get a life instead of on this form talking about other people's misfortunes. Miles may have been screwd ( not by me of course) but nearly every car around nowadays are clock.

Bought a year ago, but you did not get the 'log book' from the previous owner... must have made it hard to tax the car for the last while?

Jayson325i

mloc123 wrote: »

Bought a year ago, but you did not get the 'log book' from the previous owner... must have made it hard to tax the car for the last while?

Does it matter to you if I taxed the car or not?? You's all need a life or a hobby instead of on this talking about a car witch the mileage was put back on.

ian87

What's a car witch?

Jayson325i

guttenberg wrote: »

Jayson how come you never rereg'd it in NI if your living in Derry?

Just never bothered, I just moved from killea to Derry last month

Jayson325i

ian87 wrote: »

What's a car witch?

Ha ha good one

nookie

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Jayson325i

nookie wrote: »

So will you be updating your advert on DoneDeal to reflect the cars true history?

I've no idea of the history so can't reflect price on something I've no idea about, apart from a few clowns mentioning about the mileage being put back.

dar83

You do realise that the car as it is now is pretty much unsellable?

Even taking away the mileage discrepancy you can't prove you actually own the car. No one in their right mind would buy it from you.

Jayson325i

dar83 wrote: »

You do realise that the car as it is now is pretty much unsellable?

Even taking away the mileage discrepancy you can't prove you actually own the car. No one in their right mind would buy it from
Well as another memeber already stated in this form saying this is the only one in Ireland so doubt it wouldn't be to hard for the owner to find, wat u reckon? Plenty off guys looking to swap so ill have no problem getting shot of it.